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Old 21st November 2019, 08:01 AM   #801
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i'm going to try to write about electricity and comets, somewhat similar to Sol88's posts... (I hope Alice will forgive me )

'Twas brillig, and the slithy plasma
Did gyre and gimble in the IPM:
All spikey were the Birkelandgoves,
And the ambipolar layers outgrabe.

(to be continued)
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Old 21st November 2019, 10:34 AM   #802
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Due to the current (i.e. since ~ 1984-5; see AMPTE) knowledge showing that a diamagnetic cavity forms, and therefore precludes the solar wind and IMF from the surface, and is evidence that no electric discharge woo is happening within it.
Given that the renowned idiot, Thornhill, was suggesting such things were happening in 2006, twenty years after it was already ruled out, makes them look as stupid as they undoubtedly are.

IMHO.
I was asking a deeper personal question of Sol88.
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Old 21st November 2019, 12:42 PM   #803
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insane lies about science and posters.
Changing magnetic fields accelerate electrons with no need of an electric current, e.g. move a bar magnet and charges will be accelerated.

We are not arguing - we are wondering about just how insane Sol88's posts can get ! This post has the utter insanity we are arguing about how sunny comet surfaces are when Sol88 is citing accelerated electrons, etc. detected in a comet coma hundreds of kilometers away from the surface !
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Old 21st November 2019, 01:15 PM   #804
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insane lies about science and posts.
Sol88 is so insanely ignorant and deluded that he believes that an electric field will accelerate (negative) electrons and (positive) ions in the same direction ! High school students know that an electric field accelerates opposite charges in opposite directions.

Sol88's other utter insanity:
  • An insane question about "onion layers".
    Insane because everyone here know that Sol88 is totally deluded about science and comets. Sol88 is pathetically trying to waste our time.
  • A insane "sharp and defined"/spiky diamagnetic cavity boundary question.
    Insane because everyone here know that Sol88 is totally deluded about science and comets. Sol88 is pathetically trying to waste our time.
  • "fully ionised plasma" when plasma is partially ionized gas !
    Shows Sol88 is totally deluded about science and comets.
  • plasma from the comet surface when comets outgas neutral gas which is then partially ionized to become plasma.
    Shows Sol88 is totally deluded about science and comets.
  • Sol88 is insanely ignorant and deluded and physics. Thus he cannot tell others what does or does not cause a diamagnetic cavity.
    Shows Sol88 is totally deluded about science and comets.
  • Demented "plasma is already fully decoupled from the water ice" statement when no one has said that.
    Shows Sol88 is totally deluded about science and comets.

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Old 21st November 2019, 01:16 PM   #805
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insane lies about science, posters and posts.
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Old 21st November 2019, 01:26 PM   #806
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For others: Currents in Cometary Comae by Martin Volwerk is a chaper in a book.
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In this chapter, a review is given about currents in cometary comae. First, from a historical viewpoint, developments about the knowledge of comets are given. The first space missions to comets are discussed, in particular the missions to comet 1P/Halley, which gave many in situ observations about the plasma environment around the nucleus and the interaction with the solar wind. Solar‐wind draping around the nucleus results in current sheets. Possible reconnection in the tail or in the nested draped field regions also generates currents. After the historic view, the focus moves to the Rosetta mission around comet 67P/Churyumov‐Gerasimenko and the latest results on the observations of electric currents in the coma.
This is mainstream ices and dust comet science irrelevant to Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are rocks, etc.

Sol88's probable usual stupidity of lying by quote mining is these sentences !
Quote:
The result is that layers of magnetic field of different directions will be wrapping around the nucleus like an onion.
And
Quote:
In a region where oppositely directed magnetic fields meet, a current sheet will be generated, by necessity of Ampère’s law:
and
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assumed that (part) of this current can suddenly be channeled through the cometary atmosphere, in a similar way to what happens in the
Earth’s tail during a substorm [
And
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Ampère’s law (equation [30.1]), with It ≈ 10^8 A for a tail length of lt ≈ 10^6 km. Ip [1979]
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Old 21st November 2019, 02:00 PM   #807
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^^

The diamagnetic cavity has nothing to do with collisions at all.

Electric fields powered by electric currents.


Which we have know, like you said jd116, for quite sometime now.
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Old 21st November 2019, 02:08 PM   #808
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Ahh, onion layers...

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The result is that layers of magnetic field of different directions will be wrapping around the nucleus like an onion.
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Old 21st November 2019, 02:23 PM   #809
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
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The diamagnetic cavity has nothing to do with collisions at all.

Electric fields powered by electric currents.


Which we have know, like you said jd116, for quite sometime now.
Huh? What collisions? What the hell are you on about this time? Your problem is that you have no explanation for why a DC would exist, and the fact that it shows that there is no electric woo going on inside it. Which totally contradicts the fairy tales you believe.
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Old 21st November 2019, 02:25 PM   #810
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Ahh, onion layers...

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The result is that layers of magnetic field of different directions will be wrapping around the nucleus like an onion.
Which is what I told you before. And.................?
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Old 21st November 2019, 03:09 PM   #811
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insane lies about science, posters and posts.
No collisions in my pots or what he has quoted !

Insane lies about what I and jonesdave116 have posted. We have never said electric field are powered by electric currents. Electric currents produce magnetic fields from the moving charges. Charges have electric fields because they are charges ! Thus an electric current also has an electric field from its charges. There is no "power".
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Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insane questions irrelevant to Sol88's insane religious dogma.
Insane because everyone here know that Sol88 is totally deluded about science and comets. Sol88 is pathetically trying to waste our time.
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Old 21st November 2019, 05:57 PM   #813
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Ahh, onion layers...
A link just in case you missed it.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=798
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Which is what I told you before. And.................?
Great we agree!

Now, further

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(part) of this current can suddenly be channeled through the cometary atmosphere, in a similar way to what happens in the Earth’s tail during a substorm [Boström, 1974].

This field aligned current can then, again, be used to increase the
ionization rate near the nucleus.
What field aligned current?

This shields the solar wind magnetic field from the cometary plasma.

This form a plasma sheath around the nucleus. Jonesdave and his mates call this a diamagnetic cavity.

Reality check is levitating dust via diamagnetism!
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88 gives us an insane rant from Wal Thornhill about stars.
Sol88 gives us an insane video from Donald Scott: Voyager 2 and our Solar System's Birkeland Current

Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's is just spewing out insane lies.
Insane "What field aligned current?" lie when he has just quoted and highlighted "field aligned current"! It is the field aligned current in his quote.
Insane "shields the solar wind magnetic field from the cometary plasma" lie.
Insane "plasma sheath around the nucleus" = diamagnetic cavity lie.
Insane "levitating dust via diamagnetism" lie.

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Great we agree!

Now, further



What field aligned current?

This shields the solar wind magnetic field from the cometary plasma.

This form a plasma sheath around the nucleus. Jonesdave and his mates call this a diamagnetic cavity.

Reality check is levitating dust via diamagnetism!
Complete and utter gibberish. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Everybody, except an unqualified Velikovskian, calls it a diamagnetic cavity. Nobody is claiming otherwise. Nobody remotely qualified or competent in the relevant science, that is. So, why the hell should we care about your delusions? On a subject in which you are plainly clueless? No reason I can see. Go away and learn some science.
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Electric fields powered by electric currents.
you might want to rethink this
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What field aligned current?

This shields the solar wind magnetic field from the cometary plasma.
Can you PLEASE read my paper correctly? Then you might just understand the nonsense you are claiming.

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This form a plasma sheath around the nucleus. Jonesdave and his mates call this a diamagnetic cavity.
And further nonsense.

I think it is time to crawl back under my rock and let Sol be, whatever nonsense he claims.
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Old 22nd November 2019, 03:22 PM   #819
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Can you PLEASE read my paper correctly? Then you might just understand the nonsense you are claiming.



And further nonsense.

I think it is time to crawl back under my rock and let Sol be, whatever nonsense he claims.

Well, just before you go. Are you able to clear up how a diamagnetic cavity is formed and sustained in a cometary environment.

I’m reading
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In this work, we have put the emphasis on the influence of the cometary neutral outgassing, in particular through electron–neutral collisions, on the position of the contact surface. It is worth reminding the influence of the solar wind pressure as well. In particular, changes in the solar wind pressure may also be responsible for the variations observed in the location of the diamagnetic regions. Timar et al. (2017) investigated the influence of the variations of the production rate and the solar wind pressure on the size of a global cavity using the neutral–ion drag model (Cravens 1986)and reported good agreement with the location of diamagnetic regions encountered by Rosetta.
Diamagnetic region(s): structure of the unmagnetized plasma around Comet 67P/CG P. Henri,1ܠ X. Valli`eres,1 R. Hajra,1 C. Goetz,2 I. Richter,2 K.-H. Glassmeier,2 M. Galand,3 M. Rubin,4 A. I. Eriksson,5 Z. Nemeth,6 E. Vigren,5 A. Beth,3 J.L. Burch,7 C. Carr,3 H. Nilsson,8 B. Tsurutani9 and G. Wattieaux10

So, jonesdave116 drag model.


Or

Your onion layer model?

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However, there are occurrences that the field lines wrap around the object further behind the terminator, leading to inward/outward pointing magnetic field towards/away from the symmetry axis i.e. the X-axis in Fig. 1. This is called over-draping.

Current sheets in comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko’s coma M. Volwerk1, G. H. Jones2,3, T. Broiles4, J. Burch5, C. Carr6, A. J. Coates2,3, E. Cupido6, M. Delva1, N. J. T. Edberg7, A. Eriksson7, C. Goetz8, R. Goldstein5, P. Henri9, H. Madanian10, H. Nilsson11, I. Richter8, K. Schwingenschuh1, G. Stenberg Wieser11and K.-H. Glassmeier8

As per Dynamics of the AMPTE artificial comet in their paper they described the model for the formation of the cavity in much the same way as your overdraped, onion like nested current sheets.

And this statement is puzzling in the above context.
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The data show no evidence that the current sheets are boundaries between different plasma regions or are regions of reconnection
So NOT double layers....Mmmmmmm
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Well, just before you go. Are you able to clear up how a diamagnetic cavity is formed and sustained in a cometary environment.

I’m reading Diamagnetic region(s): structure of the unmagnetized plasma around Comet 67P/CG P. Henri,1‹† X. Valli`eres,1 R. Hajra,1 C. Goetz,2 I. Richter,2 K.-H. Glassmeier,2 M. Galand,3 M. Rubin,4 A. I. Eriksson,5 Z. Nemeth,6 E. Vigren,5 A. Beth,3 J.L. Burch,7 C. Carr,3 H. Nilsson,8 B. Tsurutani9 and G. Wattieaux10

So, jonesdave116 drag model.


Or

Your onion layer model?




Current sheets in comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko’s coma M. Volwerk1, G. H. Jones2,3, T. Broiles4, J. Burch5, C. Carr6, A. J. Coates2,3, E. Cupido6, M. Delva1, N. J. T. Edberg7, A. Eriksson7, C. Goetz8, R. Goldstein5, P. Henri9, H. Madanian10, H. Nilsson11, I. Richter8, K. Schwingenschuh1, G. Stenberg Wieser11and K.-H. Glassmeier8

As per Dynamics of the AMPTE artificial comet in their paper they described the model for the formation of the cavity in much the same way as your overdraped, onion like nested current sheets.

And this statement is puzzling in the above context.


So NOT double layers....Mmmmmmm
I'm puzzled Sol88, hope you can clarify.

What does any of this have to do with The Electric Comet Theory? Or SAFIRE?

How can you connect any of this to giant lightning bolts blasting solid rock out of the Earth's surface, to pick just one example?

How does this enable you to quantify estimates of the variability of the Sun due to variations in the inter-galactic Birkeland currant that powers the Sun (per SAFIRE)?

Sure the Red (White?) Queen can think of six impossible things before breakfast ... but she never posts any of them here in this part of the ISF!
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Waiting for clarification from the resident plasma expert.

Do you know how the diamagnetic cavity is formed?

Seems not even the mainstream can get their stories together.
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Picture this jean tate

You are an incoming solar wind electron, the first thing you sense is?

An electric field?

Or

Collisions with cometary neutrals?
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Picture this jean tate

You are an incoming solar wind electron, the first thing you sense is?

An electric field?

Or

Collisions with cometary neutrals?
Huh?

How can there be such a thing, Sol88?

In The Electric Comet Theory, and SAFIRE, electrons go in only direction, don't they? They come from goodness knows where and are accelerated to TeV (PeV?) energies by the radial field before slamming into the Sun, thus powering it.

How is this an inaccurate description?
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Picture this jean tate

You are an incoming solar wind electron, the first thing you sense is?

An electric field?

Or

Collisions with cometary neutrals?
What electric field? Why would there be an electric field? Without outgassing, which you deny, it ain't happening! Duh! And what cometary neutrals? Where are they coming from? They don't exist, remember? Not in your fairy tale. Get your story straight, and decide what particular rubbish you believe in.
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Waiting for clarification from the resident plasma expert.

Do you know how the diamagnetic cavity is formed?

Seems not even the mainstream can get their stories together.
Yes they can, if you bother to read the literature and understand it. You haven't, and can't. Simple. At high outgassing comets, like Halley, it is most likely to be ion-neutral friction. At a lower production rate comet like 67P, it appears more likely to be electron-neutral friction. Not rocket science, but an ongoing area of interesting study. None of which helps your failed woo. You need the solar wind impacting the surface. It ain't, as we knew since the mid-80s. You need electric woo happening on the nucleus. It ain't. As the very existence of the DC proves. Not our fault that you were unaware of these basic facts of cometary plasma interactions, which have been around in the literature since the mid-80s. Should have read said literature, before spamming your crap all over the interweb a decade and a half ago. Would have saved you much embarrassment.
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So, jonesdave116 drag model.


Or

Your onion layer model?
What the hell are you talking about now? Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me. Nested draping, as per Tusenfem's paper, has the square root of zero to do with the formation of the diamagnetic cavity! You really need to give up on pretending to understand plasma physics. You are kidding nobody, and making a complete tit of yourself in the process.

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As per Dynamics of the AMPTE artificial comet in their paper they described the model for the formation of the cavity in much the same way as your overdraped, onion like nested current sheets.
No they bloody well do not. Learn to read.
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Yes they can, if you bother to read the literature and understand it. You haven't, and can't. Simple. At high outgassing comets, like Halley, it is most likely to be ion-neutral friction. At a lower production rate comet like 67P, it appears more likely to be electron-neutral friction. Not rocket science, but an ongoing area of interesting study. None of which helps your failed woo. You need the solar wind impacting the surface. It ain't, as we knew since the mid-80s. You need electric woo happening on the nucleus. It ain't. As the very existence of the DC proves. Not our fault that you were unaware of these basic facts of cometary plasma interactions, which have been around in the literature since the mid-80s. Should have read said literature, before spamming your crap all over the interweb a decade and a half ago. Would have saved you much embarrassment.
So collisions.

Done, thanks jd116.
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What electric field? Why would there be an electric field? Without outgassing, which you deny, it ain't happening! Duh! And what cometary neutrals? Where are they coming from? They don't exist, remember? Not in your fairy tale. Get your story straight, and decide what particular rubbish you believe in.
What electric fields?

All the electric fields!
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What electric fields?

All the electric fields!
In case You missed the question. http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=802
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Well, just before you go. Are you able to clear up how a diamagnetic cavity is formed and sustained in a cometary environment.
now why would i try to explain a complicated phenomenon like that to you?
it's not like you will accept any of my explanations why it works this way here and that way there.
for the rest you will just twist my words around to let them say something wrong and claim it supports your electric comet idea.
you have not even commented on why "electric currents creating electric fields" might be a dubious claim, and why, if that is your understanding of plasma physics, any discussion is even worthwhile.
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So collisions.

Done, thanks jd116.
Collisions of WHAT? Magic beans? What is colliding? Cometary neutrals and ions/ electrons. Where are they coming from? Where are you getting H2O+ and H3O+ ions from? Among others. Where are you getting cometary neutrals, such as H2O and CO2 from? Hmmm? See where you have a problem here? It shouldn't be there in your woo. However, it is there. And isn't there at asteroids on elliptical orbits. Why not? You don't know, because you have no model, no science, no mechanisms and no evidence.
What you do have is word salad and gibberish. And that ain't going to cut it. You need to get hold of somebody in your cult who has at least a vague understanding of plasma physics. Unfortunately for you, you have no such persons. Hence the never ending stream of the aforementioned word salad and gibberish. Really quite pathetic, and a little sad.
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What electric fields?

All the electric fields!
And another non-answer. Which electric fields? The one accelerating the ions and retarding the electrons close to the nucleus? That one? Purely caused by cometary ions and electrons. Which originate, funnily enough, from cometary neutrals. The solar wind is bloody miles away. So, what has this got to do with your woo, in which these cometary neutrals, and therefore their ions and electrons, don't exist? You cannot explain the cometary neutrals, therefore any ambipolar fields brought into existence due to the interactions of the ions and electrons therefrom, cannot be happening in your woo. So, why are you continuing to shoot yourself in the foot by bringing it up?
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At least this time he can understand simple English but as usual bot the physics ! All gases have collisions. Collisions by themselves do not cause friction. A plasma is a partially ionized gas. Collisions between ions/or elections and neutrals does cause friction as in jonesdave116's post.
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now why would i try to explain a complicated phenomenon like that to you?
it's not like you will accept any of my explanations why it works this way here and that way there.
for the rest you will just twist my words around to let them say something wrong and claim it supports your electric comet idea.
you have not even commented on why "electric currents creating electric fields" might be a dubious claim, and why, if that is your understanding of plasma physics, any discussion is even worthwhile.

So the nested field aligned currents that flow up and down the tail that may extend to the heliopause , close thru the coma, sometimes suddenly, increasing the main form of ionising neutrals, electron impact ionisation and giving some electrons enough energy to become suprathermal.

The dust is also charged and responds to the surface electric fields concentrated and focused along light/shadowed areas and are coupled to these nested and over draped electric fields in the coma and tail.

This along with the deflection and charge seperation of the solar plasma also contributing to the complex electric and magnetic field environment at a comet.

This ultimately can ONLY be achieved by sublimating ice, sintered hard as rock some distance below a very well insulated dusty rind.
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And another non-answer. Which electric fields? The one accelerating the ions and retarding the electrons close to the nucleus? That one? Purely caused by cometary ions and electrons. Which originate, funnily enough, from cometary neutrals. The solar wind is bloody miles away. So, what has this got to do with your woo, in which these cometary neutrals, and therefore their ions and electrons, don't exist? You cannot explain the cometary neutrals, therefore any ambipolar fields brought into existence due to the interactions of the ions and electrons therefrom, cannot be happening in your woo. So, why are you continuing to shoot yourself in the foot by bringing it up?
You forgot the highly negatively charged dust. Dust is how you got shed loads of “ice” at Tempel 1 along with the classic cometary science howler, radial expansion of the sublimation products and using this to come up with an obvious mostly icy comet.

Any way just a few highlights below.


The one accelerating the ions and retarding the electrons close to the nucleus? seems far more complicated than your simplistic electrostatics. These electrodynamic entities are being fed by electric currents. My beloved double layers but we call them, just to be safe, nested draped magnetic fields that generate current sheets.



The solar wind is bloody miles away True. Moot point though, we only need the charge seperation, as observed.



therefore any ambipolar fields brought into existence due to the interactions of the ions and electrons there from.
very easily explained by the rock it self being of a different charge or potential to the surrounding plasma, now separated as well. This forms the standard garden variety plasma sheath around the nucleus. This would exclude any solar wind (foreign plasma) from the nucleus and concentrate the charge difference in a very thin non uniform layer away form the nucleus.
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now why would i try to explain a complicated phenomenon like that to you?
it's not like you will accept any of my explanations why it works this way here and that way there.
for the rest you will just twist my words around to let them say something wrong and claim it supports your electric comet idea.
you have not even commented on why "electric currents creating electric fields" might be a dubious claim, and why, if that is your understanding of plasma physics, any discussion is even worthwhile.
Sol88 replied with his insanely ignorant personal delusions on comet tails and electric currents.
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Sol88's usual insanity which emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

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