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Old 3rd November 2020, 05:28 AM   #2321
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
Too busy to read the replies at the moment.

I did not want to do the Tarot for the US election but decided to do so quickly.

Q: Will Trump lose the election next week.

A: Knight of Cups up, Ace of Swords up, and Ace of Pentacles up.

Interpretation:

The first card is an intelligent hopeful (Trump). But he will lose despite any legalities and money. This is what the cards say and not a "cold reading".
For a laugh, and because PartSkeptic was kind enough to supply the rope with which to hang himself, I looked up these cards.
The King of Cups
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represents mastery over the realms of emotion, creativity and the unconscious. When this card turns up in a Tarot reading, you have gained control of your feelings and can accept them without allowing them to get the better of you. Even when life throws you a curve ball, you can draw on your emotional maturity and stability to help you navigate these challenges. You donít let things get to you, and you steer clear of the drama, instead choosing an emotionally balanced and calm approach.

If you are being challenged personally, the King of Cups suggests you need to remain emotionally mature when faced with negative energy from others. Be firm on your personal boundaries, stating what is and is not acceptable on an emotional level. This King is level-headed and in control of his emotions. He uses his intellect to make smart decisions and does not let other circumstances or whims sway him from his central beliefs and morals....He offers wise advice when it comes to feelings, emotions, creativity and relationships and can see the human dynamic in its entirety. The King of Cups is compassionate towards others, creating strong bonds and relationships based on patience and understanding.
THIS is supposed to describe Trump?


That is about as far away from Donald Trump as it's possible to go.

The Ace of Swords
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holds an upright sword, symbolic of the mind and the intellect, and at the tip of the sword sits a crown draped with a wreath, a sign of success and victory. While this Ace is a sign of triumph, the jagged mountains in the background suggest that the road ahead will be challenging. You will need mental resilience to navigate this path.....See this card as a sign of encouragement.
PS saw this as Trump losing. Interesting.

The Ace of Pentacles:
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See the Ace of Pentacles as your Ďgreen lightí. It marks the initial stages of manifesting your goals and assures you that you can truly achieve what you have set your mind to do. The world is your oyster and, through careful planning and determined effort, you can manifest your goals and desires. Your ideas are ready to turn into something tangible and real!
Also a card that PS interpreted as a bad sign for Trump.

Even by his own standards, then, PartSkeptic's claims of predictive accuracy are a miserable failure.
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Old 3rd November 2020, 08:08 AM   #2322
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
For a laugh, and because PartSkeptic was kind enough to supply the rope with which to hang himself, I looked up these cards.
The King of Cups

THIS is supposed to describe Trump?


That is about as far away from Donald Trump as it's possible to go.
Hilarious. Even a Trump cultist might get a laugh out of that. The card may as well be labeled "polar opposite of Trump" for novices and for the Van Winkle family.
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Old 3rd November 2020, 04:07 PM   #2323
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
For a laugh, and because PartSkeptic was kind enough to supply the rope with which to hang himself, I looked up these cards. The King of Cups
Thank you for that. Well spotted.
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Old 3rd November 2020, 05:29 PM   #2324
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
Interesting times. I have a few minutes to kill (waste?).

The Covid virus seems to have been engineered for maximum spread and maximum fear. Very contagious and just lethal enough to cause governments to worry and shut down economies. Engineered by God?

My prediction was that the coming pandemic (now here) would be able to affect the elite. The Spanish Flu did not.

Here in SA, I have been questioning people as to spread. NO people in the cramped townships and lower class are getting Covid. Everyone I know who has had it (and some died) have been upper to upper-middle class. The difference is cell phone microwave exposure (duration and intensity).

In the last month, I have had four important meetings that I felt I could not postpone but wanted postponed. Twelve hours before each meeting the other party called to cancel or postpone. My wishes are granted.

I had to travel to Pretoria to inspect legal documents in a costs taxation case. Normally the lawyer sits with the file and answers questions. This time I got there and the lawyers car had broken down so he was not there. The receptionist just gave me the whole file to look at, so I got to see the internal memorandums that proved my opposition to the amount of time invoiced. Lucky? Right?

My wife wanted to sell her factory. Two men were interested. I did the Tarot cards and they said that if she dealt with them, there would be problems with business and legal conflicts. Sure enough, they tried to scam her, but I wrote up the contracts and when they could not perform the contract was void. That did not stop them getting a lawyer to demand the sale go through. She had sleepless nights.

Luckily, she got so aggravated she raised the price. And when she did so, another buyer came to the factory and within two days she had a signed clean contract for the higher amount. Lucky? Or blessed by being a moral Christian?

Yes. There are benefits to having a God around to do some small favors.

It will be even more beneficial when the population begins to be seriously reduced. Are the scientists predicting that event?

PS. The atheists wager relies on two false assumptions. One is that a good atheist goes to Heaven. The other is that the afterlife is binary Heaven or Hell. The wager fails because a good theist will go to a better place than a good atheist. The good atheist does harm by spreading his false beliefs or acting to not oppose others who do. Both indirectly cause harm.
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Previously you claimed that people, including you, could detect said exposure. Within 15 minutes was your claim i think.

You retracted said claim after being in the position to demonstrate it, but choosing not to, yeah.

I don't understand why you think you can just pretend it didn't happen?

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Old 3rd November 2020, 08:19 PM   #2325
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
For a laugh, and because PartSkeptic was kind enough to supply the rope with which to hang himself, I looked up these cards.

The King of Cups

THIS is supposed to describe Trump?


That is about as far away from Donald Trump as it's possible to go.

Um, knight =/= king.
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Old 4th November 2020, 01:09 AM   #2326
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Originally Posted by Myriad View Post
Um, knight =/= king.
Oops!
Still doesn't matter as far as the description of Trump goes.
Here's the Knight:
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The Knight of Cups is the classic romantic of the Tarot deck. He is in touch with his intuition and emotions, and he uses them masterfully to charm and attract others. He shows compassion and understanding towards others because he has learned to understand his own feelings and emotions. The Knight is kind, caring and very in touch with his feminine side. He might be found writing a romantic poem to his lover, creating art inspired by his innermost feelings or appreciating a vibrant sunset with a glass of champagne in his hand. His heart is wide open, and he wears it on his sleeve. He shares his love freely with others, without constraint or worry; he is in love with love itself.

All Knights are on a mission, and this Knightís is humanitarianism, romance, altruism, compassion, and beauty. You have a vision of harmony and are ready to bring it into reality. You are lead by your heart and want to see peace for everyone involved.
I don't know about anyone else, but when I hear the words 'humanitarianism, romance, altruism, compassion, and beauty', Trump is the first person that comes to mind.

Still no idea where PS got his 'intelligent hopeful' idea from.
Maybe god told him. "Don't worry about the real meanings of the cards, oh special and chosen one. Invent your own meanings, oh most favoured in my eyes, and let the unbelievers scoff. We know the truth, precious, don't we?"
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Old 4th November 2020, 06:26 AM   #2327
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Too busy to read replies so far. Having to fix the results of a bad lightning strike on a factory. Computer, modem, CCTV system, alarm system and other things all damaged. And problems with companies (like Microsoft) who issues make like re-registering software very difficult. Even the dealer could not get it right. I had to buy a new license.

Anyhow. Once more a close race. But Trump is asking for money to go to Court. Trump may win, and if so, I will concede that the cards were wrong. And no, I will not forget I was wrong if I am wrong. I still have faith the cards are correct.

I do not need to see what will happen under a Biden presidency. Would be interesting, but I only use the cards on a need to know basis and not to entertain myself or others.

I think that the media has been so against Trump that they may have swayed enough undecided voters. Besides, his foreign policy, belligerence and anti-climate views are problematic for both me and many voters.
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
Too busy to read the replies at the moment.
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
Too busy to read replies so far.
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Unbelievable. Why are you even here? If all you're going to do is stroke your own...ego...without any regard to how other folks might view that, couldn't you at least do it in private?
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Old 4th November 2020, 04:03 PM   #2329
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
Too busy to read replies so far.
False. You simply do not want to deal with replies because you cannot.

Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
Having to fix the results of a bad lightning strike on a factory. Computer, modem, CCTV system, alarm system and other things all damaged.
That was your god smiting you, right?

Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
And problems with companies (like Microsoft) who issues make like re-registering software very difficult. Even the dealer could not get it right. I had to buy a new license.
It is trivially easy.

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Anyhow. Once more a close race. But Trump is asking for money to go to Court. Trump may win, and if so, I will concede that the cards were wrong. And no, I will not forget I was wrong if I am wrong. I still have faith the cards are correct.
You will find some arbitrary way to claim you are correct.

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I do not need to see what will happen under a Biden presidency. Would be interesting, but I only use the cards on a need to know basis and not to entertain myself or others.
It is not your country nor mine, so you do not need to know at all. But you do it anyway.

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I think that the media has been so against Trump that they may have swayed enough undecided voters. Besides, his foreign policy, belligerence and anti-climate views are problematic for both me and many voters.
You are not a voter in the US election.
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Old 4th November 2020, 11:54 PM   #2330
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Originally Posted by turingtest View Post
Unbelievable. Why are you even here? If all you're going to do is stroke your own...ego...without any regard to how other folks might view that, couldn't you at least do it in private?

You got some info. Feel free to discuss it in the group.

Do you avoid watching/reading the mainstream media because they do not respond to you? Odd.

I am doing a prediction once more based on Tarot cards. Take it or leave it.

BTW. I do not need others to give me approval. I do not need ego stroking. Yes, I have used this platform to publicly put on record a prediction - but so what. I have a record of being right. Others manipulate the truth to make it seem I am not correct but people can make up their own minds.
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Old 5th November 2020, 12:15 AM   #2331
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That was your god smiting you, right?
No, it was God giving me new lessons. And possibly slowing me down on some other projects that may need a slower pace.

I never see problems as being "smited". Life is suffering (like Buddha says), and life is learning. I just work harder. The benefit to me was that the obligations and work made me stronger and more healthy. I had been suffering more than usual in the last few months. Yesterday I got the CNC wire bending machine working in emergency mode until we get a replacement part, and I got a legal notice done to oppose legal costs against me. I said "Thank you God".

The hassles also delayed my installation of a drainage system around the house. Luckily it did. I had not cast the shed concrete slab either. It will over the drainage piping. We had our first heavy rain. I am going to have to lift up the small amount of drain pipe I installed because the outflow is too low. Instead of a massive project, it is now easily correctable. Another thank you due.

Another example. My uncle went to the USA in November 2019 to visit his daughter. They tried twice to get a US visa and twice they were rejected. He is 91 and his wife passed away in May 2019. He had to return, but Covid stopped that. They, and the family, prayed hard he would get a visa. They were disappointed it did not happen.

Then he needed an operation to remove a skin cancer. Complications with his heart happened and he needed extensive medical care and still does. The bills were $300,000 and rising and his daughter could not afford them. They applied for a charitable grant from the US. He got it. All past and future expenses paid, and a 1 year visa. Had he got the visa that they applied for, they would have had some serious medical bills.

They are convinced that God did not help with the original visa because God could see what was coming. The whole extended family feels that God truly blessed them.
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Oops!
Still doesn't matter as far as the description of Trump goes.
Here's the Knight:


I don't know about anyone else, but when I hear the words 'humanitarianism, romance, altruism, compassion, and beauty', Trump is the first person that comes to mind.

Still no idea where PS got his 'intelligent hopeful' idea from.
Maybe god told him. "Don't worry about the real meanings of the cards, oh special and chosen one. Invent your own meanings, oh most favoured in my eyes, and let the unbelievers scoff. We know the truth, precious, don't we?"
You have a different book. Mine says. " A young man of high intelligence". Trump is intelligent. He has the looks and energy of a young man. Mine also says "The coming or going of a matter involving the emotions". I also look at the picture and "feel" the message. Here is a warrior going into battle, and he is hoping for a good outcome. He rides a horse which one could interpret as his supporters. The direction has a possible mountain in front which means he has a possible uphill struggle.

There are two aspects to reading the cards. One is getting the right cards, and the other is interpreting the words and the picture and getting feelings. If I have some personal information about the situation (sometimes I do not) then that comes into play. That is not cheating, it is like looking at a picture torn in half and getting information on the missing half (the future) using the existing half (the past).

Oh yes, scoff all you like. Like fake news, it does not change the truth.
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Um, knight =/= king.

Thanks. The deck is designed by Pamela Smith and the book is written by Eden Gray. I find many modern decks and books too superficial and intended to get sales to novices.

Tarot is not a computer program. The deck is subtly affected by the spirit intelligence to get cards that will be meaningful to the reader. Then the spirits communicate quietly with the reader to influence the reader's thoughts. My late wife tried hard to get readings and I had to point out the both the cards were wrong and so was her interpretation.
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Thanks. The deck is designed by Pamela Smith and the book is written by Eden Gray. I find many modern decks and books too superficial and intended to get sales to novices.
"Only the woo I selected for myself is the real deal...the others are in it to make money."
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You have a different book. Mine says. " A young man of high intelligence". Trump is intelligent. He has the looks and energy of a young man. Mine also says "The coming or going of a matter involving the emotions". I also look at the picture and "feel" the message. Here is a warrior going into battle, and he is hoping for a good outcome. He rides a horse which one could interpret as his supporters. The direction has a possible mountain in front which means he has a possible uphill struggle.
Once again, I thank you for providing the rope with which to hang yourself.
The book you say you are using is available as a pdf online, for free.
Guess what? The description you give is nothing like the one in the book you say you're using.
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A stately Knight in armor, but not warlike. He wears a winged helmet, sign of the imagination and of
the dual-sexed nature of Hermes. He carries his cup firmly as he approaches a stream.
This is a card to choose for a young man with light-brown hair and hazel eyes.
Divinatory Meaning: A young man who is graceful, poetic, but indolent. He is a dreamer of sensual
delights. Can mean the bringer of a message, a proposition, an invitation.
https://griersmusings.files.wordpres...rot_bygray.pdf


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There are two aspects to reading the cards. One is getting the right cards,
What exactly does this mean? Surely the whole point of the Tarot is you read the cards you turn over? There is, as far as I am aware (and, yes, I've studied Tarot and done readings myself), no option of rejecting the "wrong" cards and choosing again.
Incidentally, the gray book lays out 3 different methods for reading the cards- the Celtic Cross, the Horoscope and the Tree of Life. It does not mention your own method of simply turning over 3 cards and doing a reading from that. Do you only rely on this book when it's convenient, or is there some rationale behind your own personal spread?

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and the other is interpreting the words and the picture and getting feelings.
If there is a difference between this and simply making it up on the fly, I fail to see it.
The cards have specific meanings. You don't get to change those meanings to suit your personal biases.

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If I have some personal information about the situation (sometimes I do not) then that comes into play. That is not cheating, it is like looking at a picture torn in half and getting information on the missing half (the future) using the existing half (the past).
You may as well drop the charade of pretending to read the cards, and just admit you make it all up.

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Oh yes, scoff all you like. Like fake news, it does not change the truth.
You have consistently demonstrated a total inability to distinguish truth from lie, and truth from fantasy.
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You got some info.
Not the word I'd have used.

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Feel free to discuss it in the group.
The group already agreed what it was. Though you should probably consult a stool specialist for a full diagnosis.
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No, it was God giving me new lessons. And possibly slowing me down on some other projects that may need a slower pace.

I never see problems as being "smited". Life is suffering (like Buddha says), and life is learning. I just work harder. The benefit to me was that the obligations and work made me stronger and more healthy. I had been suffering more than usual in the last few months. Yesterday I got the CNC wire bending machine working in emergency mode until we get a replacement part, and I got a legal notice done to oppose legal costs against me. I said "Thank you God".
I had muesli for breakfast this morning.
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Frost last night, and a misty start to the morning.
It's sunny now.

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Another example. My uncle went to the USA in November 2019 to visit his daughter. They tried twice to get a US visa and twice they were rejected. He is 91 and his wife passed away in May 2019. He had to return, but Covid stopped that. They, and the family, prayed hard he would get a visa. They were disappointed it did not happen.

Then he needed an operation to remove a skin cancer. Complications with his heart happened and he needed extensive medical care and still does. The bills were $300,000 and rising and his daughter could not afford them. They applied for a charitable grant from the US. He got it. All past and future expenses paid, and a 1 year visa. Had he got the visa that they applied for, they would have had some serious medical bills.

They are convinced that God did not help with the original visa because God could see what was coming. The whole extended family feels that God truly blessed them.
I went to the supermarket and did my weekly food shop.
God didn't carry my bags, which made me mildly disappointed.

Seriously, PartSkeptic, enough of the rambling personal blog.
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Guy fails to get much wanted visa, then gets cancer and extensive medical complications. Doesn't hold God responsible for any of it, even though (if he exists) he obviously is.

Following all this bad luck guy gets a single piece of good luck, and this he does decide is God's work.

It's almost as if he first decided what he would like to believe and then twisted and interpreted everything that happened to him to fit that belief, no matter how obviously ridiculous his "reasoning".
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
You got some info. Feel free to discuss it in the group.

Do you avoid watching/reading the mainstream media because they do not respond to you? Odd.

I am doing a prediction once more based on Tarot cards. Take it or leave it.

BTW. I do not need others to give me approval. I do not need ego stroking. Yes, I have used this platform to publicly put on record a prediction - but so what. I have a record of being right. Others manipulate the truth to make it seem I am not correct but people can make up their own minds.
Too busy to read replies at the moment.

I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.
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I have a pack of Tarot cards. I'm going to ask them if PartSkeptic is ever going to get round to doing his wifi/headache/whatever test.

Card 1: Death
Card 2: The Fool
Card 3: The Magician

What does that mean for the future of PartSkeptic's test? My gut says that it means **** all, but I'd like to hear PartSkeptic's interpretation of the cards.
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Old 5th November 2020, 10:55 AM   #2342
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The Fool is a member here, on this forum founded by a magician, who is dead.
The cards don't lie...
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...I have a record of being right....
When?
Where?
Evidence?
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Originally Posted by EHocking View Post
When?
Never

Originally Posted by EHocking View Post
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Old 5th November 2020, 05:19 PM   #2345
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You have a different book. Mine says. " A young man of high intelligence". Trump is intelligent.
No, he isn't.

Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
He has the looks and energy of a young man.
No, he doesn't. This is why he failed miserably to walk on a gentle slope?
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Old 5th November 2020, 08:03 PM   #2346
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
Too busy to read replies so far. Having to fix the results of a bad lightning strike on a factory. Computer, modem, CCTV system, alarm system and other things all damaged.
Is that god punishing you for using Tarot cards?

Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
it was God giving me new lessons.
Well you keep using Tarot cards, so, if you believe in god, expect worse next time.

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Old 5th November 2020, 09:31 PM   #2347
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
For a laugh, and because PartSkeptic was kind enough to supply the rope with which to hang himself, I looked up these cards.
The King of Cups

THIS is supposed to describe Trump?


That is about as far away from Donald Trump as it's possible to go.

The Ace of Swords

PS saw this as Trump losing. Interesting.

The Ace of Pentacles:

Also a card that PS interpreted as a bad sign for Trump.

Even by his own standards, then, PartSkeptic's claims of predictive accuracy are a miserable failure.
There are two ways to ask a question. In the positive and in the negative. I first asked the cards whether I should ask "Will Trump win?" or "Will Trump lose". My question was the second. A "yes" is an Ace up.

So the answer was two yes cards saying Trump will lose. One was Swords, indicating lawsuits and the other was Pentacles indicating money.

These would not have come up if the result was as pollsters predicted - a blowout leaving Trump no option but to concede. So even they gave information - an indication of a close race leading to litigation and lots of money being spent.

I gave a short, sharp and accurate prediction.

Your answer is indicative of confirmation bias. You see what you want to see. You do not want to accept that dumb cards can be intelligent (that is, influenced by a spirit intelligence such as God). And yet atheists claim that dumb matter can arrange itself into intelligent life forms. Which claim is more unbelievable?
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Old 5th November 2020, 09:35 PM   #2348
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Originally Posted by JesseCuster View Post
I have a pack of Tarot cards. I'm going to ask them if PartSkeptic is ever going to get round to doing his wifi/headache/whatever test.

Card 1: Death
Card 2: The Fool
Card 3: The Magician

What does that mean for the future of PartSkeptic's test? My gut says that it means **** all, but I'd like to hear PartSkeptic's interpretation of the cards.

I do not need Tarot cards to tell me you chose the cards you wanted.
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Old 5th November 2020, 11:02 PM   #2349
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic;first of November
Q: Will Trump lose the election next week.

Knight of Cups up,
Ace of Swords up,
and Ace of Pentacles up.
Originally Posted by PartSkeptic; fifth of November
One was Swords, indicating lawsuits
"Watch out for lawsuits if combined with more than one sword card"
http://tarotheaven.com/ace-of-swords.html

You are making this up, as you go again.

Originally Posted by PartSkeptic; fifth of November
I first asked the cards whether I should ask "Will Trump win?" or "Will Trump lose".
So tell us now how the Tarot told you which question to ask.......or did you simply ask two questions and got two different answers?

Originally Posted by PartSkeptic; fifth of November
...the other was Pentacles indicating money.
The Ace of Pentacles, like the Aces of all the other suits, is representative of new beginnings. Depending on the reading spread, it can mean new financial prosperity or an abundance of love, hopes and dreams beginning to arrive. Since at least half of the readings any psychic does for someone will eventually lead around to finances, career success.
https://www.7thsensepsychics.com/sto...ntacles-tarot/

So again, as Trump already has money , you made this up. Trump is losing money at the moment.

What exact "Tarot interpretation" book are you using?
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Never

Nowhere

None
Ah.
Just thought Iíd pop in and see if there was any progress since post #1.

I see there hasnít been.
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There are two ways to ask a question. In the positive and in the negative. I first asked the cards whether I should ask "Will Trump win?" or "Will Trump lose". My question was the second. A "yes" is an Ace up.
No it is not. Reversing the card reverses the meaning of the card: that meaning is not necessarily a 'yes' or 'no'.

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So the answer was two yes cards saying Trump will lose. One was Swords, indicating lawsuits and the other was Pentacles indicating money.
Utter tosh.
From the book you claim to be using:
Ace of Swords up:
Quote:
Divinatory Meaning: Conquest, triumph of power, great activity. The power to love strongly or to hate. Possible birth of a child who will be of heroic temperament. Championship.
Trump will win, quite clearly, according to the meanings you are using, from the book you are using.
Note also that the book you say you are using makes no mention of lawsuits.
Ace of Pentacles, up:
Quote:
Divinatory Meaning: The beginning of wealth and material gain. Gold, prosperity, combined with pleasure and beauty.
No real indication here of how this relates to the election. Will he win, and enrich himself in office, or will he lose, and enrich himself on the lecture circuit like so many others?

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These would not have come up if the result was as pollsters predicted - a blowout leaving Trump no option but to concede. So even they gave information - an indication of a close race leading to litigation and lots of money being spent.
Nonsense. You have no way of knowing what cards would have come up if Trump was ahead, and the cards that did come up are positive towards Trump. They also don't mean what you say they mean.

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I gave a short, sharp and accurate prediction.
No, you really didn't. You just made stuff up.

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Your answer is indicative of confirmation bias. You see what you want to see.
No, it is not. I looked up the meaning of the cards you gave, in the book you rely on, and quoted that verbatim.
You, on the other hand, have simply invented meanings for the cards, and then interpreted them in a way entirely inconsistent with what the cards actually say.

Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
You do not want to accept that dumb cards can be intelligent (that is, influenced by a spirit intelligence such as God).
Prove the influence of a 'spirit intelligence' on the cards, and explain why that spirit is not vexed with you for ignoring that influence.

Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
And yet atheists claim that dumb matter can arrange itself into intelligent life forms. Which claim is more unbelievable?
Strawman of atheist beliefs, coupled with an argument from incredulity. Claim rejected.
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Ah.
Just thought Iíd pop in and see if there was any progress since post #1.

I see there hasnít been.
Nope. And not likely to be either.
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
You do not want to accept that dumb cards can be intelligent (that is, influenced by a spirit intelligence such as God). And yet atheists claim that dumb matter can arrange itself into intelligent life forms. Which claim is more unbelievable?
Given that we have mountains of evidence for, and a good understanding of, the process by which natural selection will produce complex lifeforms and have neither for your claim (plus plenty of good reasons to consider it highly unlikely), the answer is: yours, by a country mile.
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No, it is not. I looked up the meaning of the cards you gave, in the book you rely on, and quoted that verbatim.
You, on the other hand, have simply invented meanings for the cards, and then interpreted them in a way entirely inconsistent with what the cards actually say.
It's the way tarot works.

Learn the traditional interpretations first, then make up your own. It's facile ego stroking.

I learned this back when I investigated tarot seriously many years ago. My own favoured deck is stored wrapped in silk, in a sealed wooden box to keep out the evil spirits.

Why do I still do that? Because it aesthetically appeals to me and makes for a nice conversation piece in my home.

Is any of it real? Nope. Bar the physical existence of the cards, the silk and the wooden box. Those are real. And there reality stops and fantasy begins.

Why it is that PS has faith in the cards is rather odd given that his deity of choice forbids them.
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There are two ways to ask a question. In the positive and in the negative. I first asked the cards whether I should ask "Will Trump win?" or "Will Trump lose". My question was the second. A "yes" is an Ace up.

So the answer was two yes cards saying Trump will lose. One was Swords, indicating lawsuits and the other was Pentacles indicating money.

These would not have come up if the result was as pollsters predicted - a blowout leaving Trump no option but to concede. So even they gave information - an indication of a close race leading to litigation and lots of money being spent.

I gave a short, sharp and accurate prediction.

Your answer is indicative of confirmation bias. You see what you want to see. You do not want to accept that dumb cards can be intelligent (that is, influenced by a spirit intelligence such as God). And yet atheists claim that dumb matter can arrange itself into intelligent life forms. Which claim is more unbelievable?
According to 538, the odds of a Biden blowout were ~ 10%.

Remember the times you were crowing over having predicted that Trump would win the nomination in 2016? You made that prediction after he was the presumptive nominee. This is like that.
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It's the way tarot works.

Learn the traditional interpretations first, then make up your own. It's facile ego stroking.
Except that PartSkeptic originally said his interpretations came from a specific book. Others reading the same book find that it says something different than what PartSkeptic represents. I agree that having one's own Tarot-reading style is stock in trade. And other Tarot experts long ago pointed out that PartSkeptics' interpretations are...unique. But this is a much simpler matter of apparently lying about what the text of a book says.

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Why it is that PS has faith in the cards is rather odd given that his deity of choice forbids them.
It does seem rather hypocritical. Possibly then for the same reason that abortion clinics get their share of God-fearing Christians who argue that God is okay with their abortion. But no one else gets one.
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These would not have come up if the result was as pollsters predicted - a blowout leaving Trump no option but to concede.
While this is what Democratic commentators were hoping for, and what they believed they needed in order to achieve an unassailable victory, this was not what "pollsters" predicted would happen. Once again the world has simply unfolded the way it was expected to, and you're trying to take credit after the fact for supposedly having predicted it.

You are not a prophet. In fact, you're not even very good at faking being a prophet.

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Your answer is indicative of confirmation bias. You see what you want to see.
Pot, meet kettle.

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You do not want to accept that dumb cards can be intelligent (that is, influenced by a spirit intelligence such as God). And yet atheists claim that dumb matter can arrange itself into intelligent life forms. Which claim is more unbelievable?
The first, obviously, since you provide no evidence of the existence of the thing that's necessary to make it work the way you say it does. On its face (pun intended) your claim requires us to trust your interpretation of cards, which invokes your imagination and ego. You even have to contradict the traditional rules of the method you're using in order to make it seem like it worked for you. As usual, the goal is making you look good, not providing a reliable way of observing and categorizing the world.

In what you call "dumb" matter, we can observe the kind of behavior that gives rise to increasingly complex arrangements. We don't have to invent magical beings or forces to make it happen. Having observed that it forms a chaotic system that increases in complexity with local influx of energy, it simply requires multitudes of combinations to arise over a long time, and the overwhelmingly vast majority of those combinations to be discarded via natural selection. As you do with every attempt you've made to claim supernatural powers, you ignore the discards and focus only on the accidental successes, and pretend that constitutes some kind of miracle.
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Nope. And not likely to be either.
What annoys me the most is that is canít seem to hit the Unsubscribe button.

Weirdly Iíve unsubscribed from the US election thread(s) but havenít unsubscribed from the QAnon CT thread.
The QAnon one has more sensible discussion in it.
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What annoys me the most is that is canít seem to hit the Unsubscribe button.
Some train wrecks are just too comically interesting. This thread is like the Montparnasse derailment.
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Some train wrecks are just too comically interesting. This thread is like the Montparnasse derailment.
Much more like the Moreno/USNS Mercy derailment!
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