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And when the field is in the news, the questions that the specialist faces are generally the kind that journalists are bound to ask, not necessarily those that the underlying science is yet prepared to answer with authority. It matters whether the specialist is able to help the listener interpret any ambiguity.
But indeed, I hadn't heard of our state's epidemiologist until a year ago, even though she's been serving in that capacity for a number of years. I probably couldn't name our state's presiding economist right now, but I trust that if we had a financial crisis that name would be better known. Or "researchers," which, without further explanation, could just be some guy with a YouTube channel. |
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On a forum a guy said he was happy to take part in the global experiment of marvelous vaccine and if was one of the tiny minority that died he was happy to have been a part of science.
My response was: What if the vaccine (aka gene therapy) has a long term (2-10 year) side effect that results in a death rate of 20% and a disability rate of 50 %? Pumping huge amounts of chemicals and genetic fragments into billions of people, and no doubt there are waste products, and impurities as well, that will be going into the environment without any knowledge of the long term effects. A potential recipe for disaster. But God wishes to cull humans, so maybe this is his plan. Let humans be responsible. They do not seem to be able to self-limit as they should. |
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I have another legal hearing tomorrow. Taxation. By Zoom. Should be interesting. The legal profession does not like self-representation. Because in the words of one judge I appeared before in New Zealand "They cause murder and mayhem." We want fairness and justice - not the system of enriching lawyers and judges.
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I have not left the house for some time now. My wife does all the errands and shopping. We entertain at our house.
I follow a routine that now works. Two Tramadol at 4 am. Two Sporazole at 10 am with coke (prescribed for absorption of the anti-fungal). Then a Genpayne at 12 noon. Bed at 9 am. Often awake from 2 am to 6 am. I take short 20 minute lie-downs during the day ( about 3 to 4). Meditate. Weetbix with oats and milk at 7 am. One egg scrambled with cheese on brown toast. A sandwich or leftover at 1 pm. Dinner at 5 pm. I am functioning quite well. Memory for words is still not good and I tire easily but I can get work done. Other minor medical issues have improved. Tinnitus is down. Hardly any pain. Only a little dizziness now and then. I am going to go to a place with very low radiation. The hydro or the game park for 4 days. I will not change my routine. I want to see if I can sense any change. I see the world rather differently now. There are a number of good people that one can trust. But many others are damaged, greedy, manipulative and corrupt. What is a real concern today is the polarization. Race and religion are two really bad ones. The lack of ethics. I could go on. But such behavior is unsustainable. God will fix it. |
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#3046 |
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I just skimmed through the posts. Avoidance and denial and scorn.
I ask again. How does science know the mRNA vaccines are safe long-term. |
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Penultimate Amazing
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No, mRNA vaccines are not equivalent to gene therapy.
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Now you're trying desperately to pivot your prophecy to claim it's the vaccine and the aftermath of the vaccine that will somehow cull your herd. That isn't even remotely connected to what you initially tried to prophesy. As with all fake prophets, you're trying hard to sneak new developments under the umbrella of your "prophecy." But since you're so very incompetent at even faking to be a prophet, it's not hard to see what's going on. No. Hard fail on the pandemic prophecy. No ad hoc revisions for you.
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#3050 |
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Your proposed protocol won't rule out psychosomatism.
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Do not personalize the argument. If the point can be addressed in a short post, I write a short post. If the point must be addressed at greater length, in order to be thorough, then I will write at length. It's your responsibility to address what your critics say, not their responsibility to shoehorn their answers into your limited capability.
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#3053 |
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Molnupiravir.
A mutagenic that targets the Covid virus and prevents it from replicating. A chemical compound. Perhaps the long term effects on humans and life would be horrific when sufficient quantities are in the environment. Like DDT. One wonders how the virus will mutate to get around this one. |
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Penultimate Amazing
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No. You simply don't want to address any response that thoroughly dismantles your claims. Deliberate evasion noted.
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Yes, a promising antiviral. But of course it's only effective once you are symptomatic. Not an ideal substitute for a vaccine.
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Joe Biden... morphing to Biden-Harris...maybe Harris soon.
Dead soon or incapacitated? Mmmm. The man is old, and showing signs of senility. Who needs accuracy and precision in a prediction? Outcome is what counts. Harris calls foreign leaders and assures them of HER commitment to the relationships. Who is running the show? Who is determining foreign policy? Like military moves in Syria? The Empire crumbles... |
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Vaccine possibly causing blood clots? Astrazeneca?
Just coincidence? Or the tip of the iceberg? Just a thought. The vaccine is to prevent Covid. If there IS a serious long term effect, what would the cure be? I can tell you from all the people like me who have suffered long -term effect damage. The answer is NONE. NOTHING. ZIP. ZERO. NADA. Once more we wait on the worlds most ambitious human experiment. Epidemiologists will eventually find out. But if million start dying, we will not have to wait for them. |
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Just submitted an amended plea in a house debt case.
I have had a long-term plan in place for a few years. I am getting plenty of training and evidence. Does God have a plan for me? Might be. I have been able to turn various attacks on me around. Rather than prejudice me, I have turned them into an advantage. This is why self-represented litigants worry the system. They do not follow the behind-closed doors arrangements that enable lawyers to make piles of money. They see behind the curtain. Interestingly, I have approached a couple of lawyers who I expected some help from. As soon as I mentioned the case, their tone changed and they made excuses. I wonder if there is a "black-list" that circulates informally? Of course, I could just be paranoid. |
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Does it matter? Tramadol is a chemical compound, you don't seem to mind popping that on a regular basis.
Do you have something against chemical compounds? If not, then why mention that vaccines contain chemical compounds like chemical compounds are some sort of bogeyman? |
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How many individual bits of mRNA are there in one dose? One fragment has a molecular weight of 110 kDa (kiloDaltons). A dose of vaccine has 10 micro grams. The are 6 times 10 to the power 20 kDa in 1 gram. So we have 6*10**20 * 10**-6 * 10 = 6*10**15 fragments in one dose. Inoculate 5 billion people with 2 doses. This is 3*10**25 fragments excluding wastage. The purity is 90-95%. This means about 3*10**24 bits of random genetic bits or other chemicals being introduced into the population and hence into the environment. That is a lot. Some would consider that to be a huge amount. I have done this quickly. If anyone wishes to double check me, please do. |
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Hey, molecules are small. Who knew?
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I take it because I have no choice. Other pain medications had subtle side effects. I am not happy taking it. I have to take laxatives now and then if I do not have enough water and roughage. I would probably die in 3 months if I stopped the Itraconzole. I wonder just how many pharmaceutical compounds might be needed to treat side effects of any long-term problems. The Graduate said the future is Plastics. That is old school. Pharma rules. How pure are the vaccines? I notice that some countries are suspending batches. |
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But powerful. If a small batch of them caused a group of cells to become cancerous, a small effect become so large it kills. Have a look at a bacteriophage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriophage A tiny collection of protein assemblies that looks and acts like a nano machine. God designed I would say. Check the way it functions. Six stabilizing outlier legs. An attaching base plate that only attaches to a target cell. A hypodermic needle that injects genetic material into the cell. Amazing. I watched a documentary about snakes and their ability to adapt. They learn quickly. Multiple mechanisms for survival helps. |
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We keep it off. Or I go to another part of the house for the short time my wife turns her modem on. The signal strength drops off very quickly (inverse square). Regrettably I still have suburban background radiation which causes many people problems. But not going out for 2-3 weeks I am having good days. So good I had nearly forgotten what bliss was. I have some moments that I can lie down and feel that. I can function as long as I get some bed-rest every few hours. |
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The possible causes are known (and they worry some scientists). The main one is inadvertent over-stimulation of the immune system causing auto-immune disease. This could be long and slow. And what would the antidote be? Stick your head in the sand all you want. I do my research. And not on magazine website like many others. I use scientific papers for the detail - and read a few comments of concern. |
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Thanks for taking the time. Vastness is a matter of opinion and scale, I guess. But I would point out that the gross amount of anything given to the population has little relevance to the safety of a dose. I have no doubt that taking the amount vitamins given to the whole population would drop you like a thrown stone, but I think one would be a fool for basing policy on that.
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You need to read the section earlier where I talk about the need for masks and not handwashing. I took issue with Fauci then. Handwashing is not relatively tiny in prevention. Logic logic logic. Yes. It is not a "small mistake". It is enormous. He has admitted it was a lie. Even worse. |
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Great. My concern is the unintended consequences of all this material in human bodies. The probability that one or a few bodies may have significant mutation and be able to spread it grows with the number of bodies injected. Even if it is only a novel mutated virus. Our bodies are incredible balances of nature. What we are doing is not nature. The ethics of gene therapy used to be a concern. The panic and fear has sidelined that debate. And I get people telling me I am a moron and idiot for opposing science when actually I am applying science in a skeptical manner. Emotions and not logic are the order of the day. I might as well go whole hog while I am at it. I am noticing a change in people who appear on TV. Their language skills and logic seem to have degraded. A tiny bit of brain fog - similar to the effects of long term low level cell phone radiation. I see it others around me also. I observe things and make connections with the learning I have experienced. There is another little thing you may have noticed. People scratching their cheeks, nose and forehead while on Zoom. I get it also. I know how to get rid of it. I put some boric acid powder on my face at night now and then to kill the demodectic face mites that 100% of adults have. The male and female come out at night to mate. They are kept in check by the immune system. The variety (65 species) that infect humans have learned to adapt to human immune systems. But cell radiation affects our immune systems. There may also have been mutations in the mites. They are most exposed to cell radiation because they live in the skin. I just looked this up to give you guys a link and reference. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...e-on-your-face They eat sebum, the greasy oil your skin makes to protect itself and keep it from drying out. The sebum is produced in sebaceous glands, which empty into the hair follicles and coat both the hair shaft and face mite. That's why the greasiest parts of your body, such as around the eyes, nose and mouth, likely harbor a higher concentration of mites than other areas. ..."There is a very particular look to people suffering from demodicosis. We call it the Demodex frost," she says. "It's sort of a white sheen on the skin. And if you look really closely, you can see [it] coming out of every pore. If you scrape those pores, you can see it frothing with little Demodex face mites." The condition is relatively rare and is often connected to a decline in the immune system, such as receiving immunosuppressive drugs after transplant surgery, chemotherapy or immunodeficiency diseases such as AIDS. Demodicosis can also be triggered by local suppression of the immune system, like using itch-relieving hydrocortisone cream on the face. |
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That's beautiful, PS. You started out talking about "over-stimulation of the immune system and creating auto-immune diseases" as a possible long-term effect of mRNA vaccines; and now you're pretending that this is the sort of cause that Jay is asking you to show that would create that effect.
Please stop pretending that what you're doing here is by any stretch of the definition "science." If you don't have an answer that fits the question you're actually being asked, don't resort to slippery weasel-wording so you can imagine that you do. |
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