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Old 5th March 2021, 10:12 AM   #3041
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
I could name quickly 10 viral specialists and other researchers who would all mostly differ with him.
You think DNA is a "preservative, plain and simple". You "don't trust numbers, period". I don't believe for a second you could name a single virologist without doing a Google search first.

BTW, they're called virologists, not "viralists" or "viral specialists".
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Old 5th March 2021, 10:38 AM   #3042
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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
Specialists in a particular field generally only come to the attention of the public when that field is in the news.
And when the field is in the news, the questions that the specialist faces are generally the kind that journalists are bound to ask, not necessarily those that the underlying science is yet prepared to answer with authority. It matters whether the specialist is able to help the listener interpret any ambiguity.

But indeed, I hadn't heard of our state's epidemiologist until a year ago, even though she's been serving in that capacity for a number of years. I probably couldn't name our state's presiding economist right now, but I trust that if we had a financial crisis that name would be better known.

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BTW, they're called virologists, not "viralists" or "viral specialists".
Or "researchers," which, without further explanation, could just be some guy with a YouTube channel.
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On a forum a guy said he was happy to take part in the global experiment of marvelous vaccine and if was one of the tiny minority that died he was happy to have been a part of science.

My response was:

What if the vaccine (aka gene therapy) has a long term (2-10 year) side effect that results in a death rate of 20% and a disability rate of 50 %? Pumping huge amounts of chemicals and genetic fragments into billions of people, and no doubt there are waste products, and impurities as well, that will be going into the environment without any knowledge of the long term effects. A potential recipe for disaster. But God wishes to cull humans, so maybe this is his plan. Let humans be responsible. They do not seem to be able to self-limit as they should.
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Old 11th March 2021, 10:48 AM   #3044
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I have another legal hearing tomorrow. Taxation. By Zoom. Should be interesting. The legal profession does not like self-representation. Because in the words of one judge I appeared before in New Zealand "They cause murder and mayhem." We want fairness and justice - not the system of enriching lawyers and judges.
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Old 11th March 2021, 11:03 AM   #3045
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I have not left the house for some time now. My wife does all the errands and shopping. We entertain at our house.

I follow a routine that now works. Two Tramadol at 4 am. Two Sporazole at 10 am with coke (prescribed for absorption of the anti-fungal). Then a Genpayne at 12 noon. Bed at 9 am. Often awake from 2 am to 6 am. I take short 20 minute lie-downs during the day ( about 3 to 4). Meditate.

Weetbix with oats and milk at 7 am. One egg scrambled with cheese on brown toast. A sandwich or leftover at 1 pm. Dinner at 5 pm.

I am functioning quite well. Memory for words is still not good and I tire easily but I can get work done.

Other minor medical issues have improved. Tinnitus is down. Hardly any pain. Only a little dizziness now and then.

I am going to go to a place with very low radiation. The hydro or the game park for 4 days. I will not change my routine. I want to see if I can sense any change.

I see the world rather differently now. There are a number of good people that one can trust. But many others are damaged, greedy, manipulative and corrupt. What is a real concern today is the polarization. Race and religion are two really bad ones. The lack of ethics. I could go on. But such behavior is unsustainable. God will fix it.
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Old 11th March 2021, 11:06 AM   #3046
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I just skimmed through the posts. Avoidance and denial and scorn.

I ask again. How does science know the mRNA vaccines are safe long-term.
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Old 11th March 2021, 11:08 AM   #3047
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What if the vaccine (aka gene therapy)...
No, mRNA vaccines are not equivalent to gene therapy.

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...has a long term (2-10 year) side effect...
Describe how such a mechanism could arise in an mRNA vaccine. The only lasting effect is the presence of antibodies attuned to certain spike proteins. The cells that are recruited to produce the spike proteins do not pass on that ability to new cells. And the mRNA is quickly eliminated.

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Pumping huge amounts...
What amounts? "Huge" is relative. Are these amounts different in the coronavirus vaccine than in other common vaccines?

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...of chemicals and genetic fragments into billions of people...
What "chemicals?" Specifically what compounds? Are these different than in any other vaccines? Ordinary vaccines also inject genetic fragments into people.

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...and no doubt there are waste products, and impurities as well...
What waste products, specifically? What "impurities?" Are these any different than vaccines that are currently and commonly produced?

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that will be going into the environment without any knowledge of the long term effects.
What makes you think by-products of the coronavirus vaccine are different than any other pharmaceutical by-product? What makes you think they're just being released "into the environment?" What makes you think the long-term of effect of pharmaceutical by-products cannot be understood or predicted?

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A potential recipe for disaster.
No, just a lot of ignorant fear-mongering that you've copied from anti-vaxxer sources in an increasingly desperate attempt to convince anyone that you know what you're talking about. Pure, unadulterated ignorance.

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But God wishes to cull humans...
Presumes the existence of a god and your ability to know the will of such a god. Neither of these has been established.

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...so maybe this is his plan. Let humans be responsible.
No. Your prophecy was that the disease would kill billions of people, according to your god's whimsical desire to cull his herd. As recently as a few weeks ago, you were still preaching that billions of people would die from the disease, against all evidence.

Now you're trying desperately to pivot your prophecy to claim it's the vaccine and the aftermath of the vaccine that will somehow cull your herd. That isn't even remotely connected to what you initially tried to prophesy.

As with all fake prophets, you're trying hard to sneak new developments under the umbrella of your "prophecy." But since you're so very incompetent at even faking to be a prophet, it's not hard to see what's going on.

No. Hard fail on the pandemic prophecy. No ad hoc revisions for you.

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They do not seem to be able to self-limit as they should.
...says the guy who refuses to follow basic epidemiological recommendations.
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Old 11th March 2021, 11:08 AM   #3048
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Gee, I don't know. You whine at me for writing lengthy posts which are, despite their length, entirely on topic. You beg me to write less thoroughly, to be more concise. Yet now you're trying to put me on the hook for something, but the challenge comes in the middle of a long post that rambles among several completely irrelevant and dissimilar topics. I don't think I feel like helping you under those circumstances.

And no, there doesn't exist an RF radiometer that is (1) accurate enough to assess biological effect from a suspected source, (2) pocket-sized, and (3) affordable.

A short post. So you are capable of doing them.

I know of one meter which I will buy. Just name one that you would recommend. Just one.
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Old 11th March 2021, 11:10 AM   #3049
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
Again, what makes you think the mechanism behind mRNA vaccines hasn't been well understood for a long time? What's new is the ability to make them cheaply and safely, in large quantities.

For there to be a long-term effect from harnessing healthy cells to produce elements of spike proteins, there has to be a long-term cause. It's not as if the cells that were recruited then keep on making those spike proteins, and are thus perpetual targets for antibodies. We've known literally for decades how mRNA operates in cells. It's not a lingering effect. It doesn't last 10-20 years. It doesn't "overstimulate" anything. I have no idea where you are getting all this nonsense. Oh, wait, I have exactly an idea.

Unfortunately we will have to wait "long-term" to see who is correct.

Thanks for a short post. Easy to read an to respond to.
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Old 11th March 2021, 11:11 AM   #3050
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
I want to see if I can sense any change.
Your proposed protocol won't rule out psychosomatism.

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There are a number of good people that one can trust. But many others are damaged, greedy, manipulative and corrupt.
Describe the criteria you use to tell the difference.

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God will fix it.
I disagree. I say it's up to us humans to fix it. That starts by taking a critical approach to proposals of policy. That in turn starts by valuing critical thinking, facts, and logical analysis over superstition and claims to supernatural ability.
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Old 11th March 2021, 11:13 AM   #3052
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A short post. So you are capable of doing them.
Do not personalize the argument. If the point can be addressed in a short post, I write a short post. If the point must be addressed at greater length, in order to be thorough, then I will write at length. It's your responsibility to address what your critics say, not their responsibility to shoehorn their answers into your limited capability.

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I know of one meter which I will buy. Just name one that you would recommend. Just one.
Despite the brevity of my post, you seem to have failed to grasp the point I made in it. No, do not keep trying to bait me.
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Old 11th March 2021, 11:15 AM   #3053
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Molnupiravir.

A mutagenic that targets the Covid virus and prevents it from replicating.

A chemical compound. Perhaps the long term effects on humans and life would be horrific when sufficient quantities are in the environment. Like DDT.

One wonders how the virus will mutate to get around this one.
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Old 11th March 2021, 11:15 AM   #3054
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Unfortunately we will have to wait "long-term" to see who is correct.
No, we don't. As I said, in order for there to be long-term effects there have to be long-term causes. You failed to identify what part of mRNA vaccines constitute those causes. No one is obliged to consider ignorant fear-mongering when assessing long-term effects.
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Old 11th March 2021, 11:17 AM   #3055
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
I just skimmed through the posts. Avoidance and denial and scorn.
No. You simply don't want to address any response that thoroughly dismantles your claims. Deliberate evasion noted.

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I ask again. How does science know the mRNA vaccines are safe long-term.
Shifting the burden of proof. You are the one claiming we should beware of long-term effects from the manufacture and use of these vaccines. It is up to you to identify specifically how that might come about. Not just suggest things out of ignorance.
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Old 11th March 2021, 11:26 AM   #3056
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Molnupiravir.

A mutagenic that targets the Covid virus and prevents it from replicating.
Yes, a promising antiviral. But of course it's only effective once you are symptomatic. Not an ideal substitute for a vaccine.

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A chemical compound. Perhaps the long term effects on humans and life would be horrific when sufficient quantities are in the environment. Like DDT.
Ignorant fear-mongering. You seem to oppose every pharmaceutical method used to combat a serious illness. Shall we assume your desired policy is simply to let everyone suffer and die?

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One wonders how the virus will mutate to get around this one.
Mutation doesn't occur purposefully. However, since the drug is effective against a broad range of viruses, it is unlikely that a mutation in SARS-Cov-2 will render the drug ineffective, assuming the preclinical trials continue to promise results, and clinical trials are similarly successful.
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
On a forum a guy said he was happy to take part in the global experiment of marvelous vaccine and if was one of the tiny minority that died he was happy to have been a part of science.

My response was:

What if the vaccine (aka gene therapy) has a long term (2-10 year) side effect that results in a death rate of 20% and a disability rate of 50 %? Pumping huge amounts of chemicals and genetic fragments into billions of people, and no doubt there are waste products, and impurities as well, that will be going into the environment without any knowledge of the long term effects. A potential recipe for disaster. But God wishes to cull humans, so maybe this is his plan. Let humans be responsible. They do not seem to be able to self-limit as they should.
So what is that "huge amount" of chemicals and genetic fragments? You speak with the sound of authority, as if you know better what's in the vaccines. Do tell us.
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What if the vaccine (aka gene therapy) has a long term (2-10 year) side effect that results in a death rate of 20% and a disability rate of 50 %?
What if the vaccine has a long term side effect of 99% death and 1% disability?

Or another figure pulled out from the posterior: 0% death and 0% disability?

Why should we consider figures that are purely fictional?
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I have not left the house for some time now.
Wasn't the wifi in your house causing you problems?
Wasn't the proposed test (that you said you would do, then backed out) to use the wifi in your house?
Is the wifi in your house no longer a source of symptoms?
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Joe Biden... morphing to Biden-Harris...maybe Harris soon.

Dead soon or incapacitated? Mmmm. The man is old, and showing signs of senility. Who needs accuracy and precision in a prediction? Outcome is what counts.

Harris calls foreign leaders and assures them of HER commitment to the relationships. Who is running the show?

Who is determining foreign policy? Like military moves in Syria?

The Empire crumbles...
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Vaccine possibly causing blood clots? Astrazeneca?

Just coincidence? Or the tip of the iceberg?


Just a thought. The vaccine is to prevent Covid. If there IS a serious long term effect, what would the cure be?

I can tell you from all the people like me who have suffered long -term effect damage. The answer is NONE. NOTHING. ZIP. ZERO. NADA.

Once more we wait on the worlds most ambitious human experiment. Epidemiologists will eventually find out. But if million start dying, we will not have to wait for them.
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A chemical compound.
All drugs made of chemical compounds, including the medications that you take and that you tell us about in your neverending anecdotes.
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Just submitted an amended plea in a house debt case.

I have had a long-term plan in place for a few years. I am getting plenty of training and evidence. Does God have a plan for me? Might be.

I have been able to turn various attacks on me around. Rather than prejudice me, I have turned them into an advantage. This is why self-represented litigants worry the system. They do not follow the behind-closed doors arrangements that enable lawyers to make piles of money. They see behind the curtain.

Interestingly, I have approached a couple of lawyers who I expected some help from. As soon as I mentioned the case, their tone changed and they made excuses. I wonder if there is a "black-list" that circulates informally? Of course, I could just be paranoid.
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All drugs made of chemical compounds, including the medications that you take and that you tell us about in your neverending anecdotes.

Is colloidal silver a chemical compound?
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As soon as I mentioned the case, their tone changed and they made excuses. I wonder if there is a "black-list" that circulates informally? Of course, I could just be paranoid.
Seems more like narcissism than paranoia.
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Vaccine possibly causing blood clots? Astrazeneca?

Just coincidence? Or the tip of the iceberg?


Just a thought. The vaccine is to prevent Covid. If there IS a serious long term effect, what would the cure be?

I can tell you from all the people like me who have suffered long -term effect damage. The answer is NONE. NOTHING. ZIP. ZERO. NADA.

Once more we wait on the worlds most ambitious human experiment. Epidemiologists will eventually find out. But if million start dying, we will not have to wait for them.
Incoherent drivel of a high order.
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Is colloidal silver a chemical compound?
Does it matter? Tramadol is a chemical compound, you don't seem to mind popping that on a regular basis.

Do you have something against chemical compounds? If not, then why mention that vaccines contain chemical compounds like chemical compounds are some sort of bogeyman?
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So what is that "huge amount" of chemicals and genetic fragments? You speak with the sound of authority, as if you know better what's in the vaccines. Do tell us.

How many individual bits of mRNA are there in one dose?

One fragment has a molecular weight of 110 kDa (kiloDaltons).

A dose of vaccine has 10 micro grams. The are 6 times 10 to the power 20 kDa in 1 gram.

So we have 6*10**20 * 10**-6 * 10 = 6*10**15 fragments in one dose.

Inoculate 5 billion people with 2 doses.

This is 3*10**25 fragments excluding wastage.

The purity is 90-95%.

This means about 3*10**24 bits of random genetic bits or other chemicals being introduced into the population and hence into the environment. That is a lot. Some would consider that to be a huge amount.

I have done this quickly. If anyone wishes to double check me, please do.
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Does it matter? Tramadol is a chemical compound, you don't seem to mind popping that on a regular basis.

Do you have something against chemical compounds? If not, then why mention that vaccines contain chemical compounds like chemical compounds are some sort of bogeyman?

I take it because I have no choice. Other pain medications had subtle side effects. I am not happy taking it. I have to take laxatives now and then if I do not have enough water and roughage.

I would probably die in 3 months if I stopped the Itraconzole.

I wonder just how many pharmaceutical compounds might be needed to treat side effects of any long-term problems. The Graduate said the future is Plastics. That is old school. Pharma rules.

How pure are the vaccines? I notice that some countries are suspending batches.
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Old 15th March 2021, 11:58 AM   #3071
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Originally Posted by Mojo View Post
Hey, molecules are small. Who knew?

But powerful.

If a small batch of them caused a group of cells to become cancerous, a small effect become so large it kills.

Have a look at a bacteriophage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriophage

A tiny collection of protein assemblies that looks and acts like a nano machine. God designed I would say. Check the way it functions. Six stabilizing outlier legs. An attaching base plate that only attaches to a target cell. A hypodermic needle that injects genetic material into the cell.

Amazing.

I watched a documentary about snakes and their ability to adapt. They learn quickly. Multiple mechanisms for survival helps.
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Old 15th March 2021, 11:59 AM   #3072
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Incoherent drivel of a high order.

I must be hitting nerve to attract such a high order of insult.
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Old 15th March 2021, 12:04 PM   #3073
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Originally Posted by LongFuzzy View Post
Wasn't the wifi in your house causing you problems?
Wasn't the proposed test (that you said you would do, then backed out) to use the wifi in your house?
Is the wifi in your house no longer a source of symptoms?

We keep it off. Or I go to another part of the house for the short time my wife turns her modem on. The signal strength drops off very quickly (inverse square).

Regrettably I still have suburban background radiation which causes many people problems.

But not going out for 2-3 weeks I am having good days. So good I had nearly forgotten what bliss was. I have some moments that I can lie down and feel that. I can function as long as I get some bed-rest every few hours.
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Old 15th March 2021, 12:09 PM   #3074
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
No, we don't. As I said, in order for there to be long-term effects there have to be long-term causes. You failed to identify what part of mRNA vaccines constitute those causes. No one is obliged to consider ignorant fear-mongering when assessing long-term effects.

The possible causes are known (and they worry some scientists).

The main one is inadvertent over-stimulation of the immune system causing auto-immune disease. This could be long and slow.

And what would the antidote be?

Stick your head in the sand all you want. I do my research. And not on magazine website like many others. I use scientific papers for the detail - and read a few comments of concern.
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Old 15th March 2021, 12:13 PM   #3075
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
How many individual bits of mRNA are there in one dose?

One fragment has a molecular weight of 110 kDa (kiloDaltons).

A dose of vaccine has 10 micro grams. The are 6 times 10 to the power 20 kDa in 1 gram.

So we have 6*10**20 * 10**-6 * 10 = 6*10**15 fragments in one dose.

Inoculate 5 billion people with 2 doses.

This is 3*10**25 fragments excluding wastage.

The purity is 90-95%.



This means about 3*10**24 bits of random genetic bits or other chemicals being introduced into the population and hence into the environment. That is a lot. Some would consider that to be a huge amount.

I have done this quickly. If anyone wishes to double check me, please do.
Thanks for taking the time. Vastness is a matter of opinion and scale, I guess. But I would point out that the gross amount of anything given to the population has little relevance to the safety of a dose. I have no doubt that taking the amount vitamins given to the whole population would drop you like a thrown stone, but I think one would be a fool for basing policy on that.
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Originally Posted by MBDK View Post
I have run into the same conundrum when discussing COVID-19 within the quagmire of facebook (usually when trying to talk sense into family and acquaintances). Complaints about Fauci are almost entirely comprised of what they see as flip-flopping on masks, and the seemingly idiotic ways some of the restrictions are made and enforced. Their misconception on masks is one thing, but their inability to move their logic train past the first comfortable (to them) station is most evident regarding the latter. I frequently point out that Dr. Fauci can only make recommendations - he has no legislative powers. It is the politicians that decide what, how and when to mandate restrictions, and since these restrictions are done at state and lower levels, this results in a jumble of sometimes conflicting rules. They have yet to offer any rebuttal (as if there is a reasonable one), but just wait a week, and they are back making the exact same complaints. *sigh*

You need to read the section earlier where I talk about the need for masks and not handwashing. I took issue with Fauci then. Handwashing is not relatively tiny in prevention.

Logic logic logic. Yes.

It is not a "small mistake". It is enormous. He has admitted it was a lie. Even worse.
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Old 15th March 2021, 12:36 PM   #3077
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Thanks for taking the time. Vastness is a matter of opinion and scale, I guess. But I would point out that the gross amount of anything given to the population has little relevance to the safety of a dose. I have no doubt that taking the amount vitamins given to the whole population would drop you like a thrown stone, but I think one would be a fool for basing policy on that.

Great. My concern is the unintended consequences of all this material in human bodies. The probability that one or a few bodies may have significant mutation and be able to spread it grows with the number of bodies injected. Even if it is only a novel mutated virus.

Our bodies are incredible balances of nature. What we are doing is not nature. The ethics of gene therapy used to be a concern. The panic and fear has sidelined that debate.

And I get people telling me I am a moron and idiot for opposing science when actually I am applying science in a skeptical manner. Emotions and not logic are the order of the day.

I might as well go whole hog while I am at it.

I am noticing a change in people who appear on TV. Their language skills and logic seem to have degraded. A tiny bit of brain fog - similar to the effects of long term low level cell phone radiation. I see it others around me also. I observe things and make connections with the learning I have experienced.

There is another little thing you may have noticed. People scratching their cheeks, nose and forehead while on Zoom. I get it also. I know how to get rid of it. I put some boric acid powder on my face at night now and then to kill the demodectic face mites that 100% of adults have. The male and female come out at night to mate.

They are kept in check by the immune system. The variety (65 species) that infect humans have learned to adapt to human immune systems. But cell radiation affects our immune systems. There may also have been mutations in the mites. They are most exposed to cell radiation because they live in the skin.


I just looked this up to give you guys a link and reference.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...e-on-your-face
They eat sebum, the greasy oil your skin makes to protect itself and keep it from drying out. The sebum is produced in sebaceous glands, which empty into the hair follicles and coat both the hair shaft and face mite.

That's why the greasiest parts of your body, such as around the eyes, nose and mouth, likely harbor a higher concentration of mites than other areas.

..."There is a very particular look to people suffering from demodicosis. We call it the Demodex frost," she says. "It's sort of a white sheen on the skin. And if you look really closely, you can see [it] coming out of every pore. If you scrape those pores, you can see it frothing with little Demodex face mites."

The condition is relatively rare and is often connected to a decline in the immune system, such as receiving immunosuppressive drugs after transplant surgery, chemotherapy or immunodeficiency diseases such as AIDS.

Demodicosis can also be triggered by local suppression of the immune system, like using itch-relieving hydrocortisone cream on the face.
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Old 15th March 2021, 02:43 PM   #3078
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
The possible causes are known (and they worry some scientists).

The main one is inadvertent over-stimulation of the immune system causing auto-immune disease. This could be long and slow.

And what would the antidote be?

Stick your head in the sand all you want. I do my research. And not on magazine website like many others. I use scientific papers for the detail -.
Name the scientists and research papers please.
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
I trust the polio and other child vaccines and have advocated that anti-vaxxers take them. They have a proven track record. Show me the long terms trials for mRNA vaccines. Why are you not worried about over-stimulating the immune system in the long term (10-20 years) and creating auto-immune diseases? After all, you are growing spike proteins on healthy human cells and training the immune systems to attack formerly healthy body cells.
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Again, what makes you think the mechanism behind mRNA vaccines hasn't been well understood for a long time? What's new is the ability to make them cheaply and safely, in large quantities.

For there to be a long-term effect from harnessing healthy cells to produce elements of spike proteins, there has to be a long-term cause. It's not as if the cells that were recruited then keep on making those spike proteins, and are thus perpetual targets for antibodies. We've known literally for decades how mRNA operates in cells. It's not a lingering effect. It doesn't last 10-20 years. It doesn't "overstimulate" anything. I have no idea where you are getting all this nonsense. Oh, wait, I have exactly an idea.
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Unfortunately we will have to wait "long-term" to see who is correct.

Thanks for a short post. Easy to read an to respond to.
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No, we don't. As I said, in order for there to be long-term effects there have to be long-term causes. You failed to identify what part of mRNA vaccines constitute those causes. No one is obliged to consider ignorant fear-mongering when assessing long-term effects.
Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
The possible causes are known (and they worry some scientists).

The main one is inadvertent over-stimulation of the immune system causing auto-immune disease.
This could be long and slow.

And what would the antidote be?

Stick your head in the sand all you want. I do my research. And not on magazine website like many others. I use scientific papers for the detail - and read a few comments of concern.
That's beautiful, PS. You started out talking about "over-stimulation of the immune system and creating auto-immune diseases" as a possible long-term effect of mRNA vaccines; and now you're pretending that this is the sort of cause that Jay is asking you to show that would create that effect.

Please stop pretending that what you're doing here is by any stretch of the definition "science." If you don't have an answer that fits the question you're actually being asked, don't resort to slippery weasel-wording so you can imagine that you do.
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Originally Posted by PartSkeptic View Post
If a small batch of them caused a group of cells to become cancerous
Explain how messenger RNA can make that happen. Be as detailed as you like.

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I watched a documentary about snakes and their ability to adapt.
Do we literally have to explain to you how a snake is not like mRNA?
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