Continuation 2020 Presidential Election part 3

[Disbelief]

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

To be honest, the longer Trump strings along his dip-**** followers with this promise of a legal win, the better.

Eventually these people are going to snap when they finally accept that Trump lost, and the less time they have to do damage, the better. Not that they will stop under a Biden administration, but hopefully there will be a more vigorous FBI response to right wing violence than there is currently.

The message to stay calm and wait for Trump to be vindicated is preferable to the rage that is undoubtedly coming.

But this is just confusing. Am I supposed to fly my Trump flag at half mast now or wait until the lawsuits are done?

[acbytesla]

Originally Posted by Disbelief

But this is just confusing. Am I supposed to fly my Trump flag at half mast now or wait until the lawsuits are done?

Maybe just take it down.

[The Man]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweeted

Investigators Dispatched After Fulton County Discovers 'Issue' with Ballot Reporting
Georgia's top election official is dispatching a team of investigators after a ballot "issue" was discovered in one of the county's
breitbart.com

Wait, one of Georgia's counties has its own "breitbart.com"? How convenient.

[alfaniner]

Not sure which of these threads is best for it, so I'll just put it here...

Trending on Twitter -- VR Furries take over Four Seasons Landscaping

[slyjoe]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweeted

Investigators Dispatched After Fulton County Discovers 'Issue' with Ballot Reporting
Georgia's top election official is dispatching a team of investigators after a ballot "issue" was discovered in one of the county's
breitbart.com

Perdue, Loeffler Call on Georgia Sec of State to Resign over Election
Sens. David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler (R-GA) called on Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to resign Monday.
breitbart.com

Michigan Legislature to Hold Hearings on Election Fraud Claims
The Republican-led Michigan legislature will hold hearings Saturday to consider fraud claims regarding the presidential election.
breitbart.com

More detail here on the ballot issue. Turns out it was found by the election board in Fulton county, and affected 342 ballots.

https://www.11alive.com/article/news...d-170bc6ebbe00

[pgwenthold]

Originally Posted by slyjoe

More detail here on the ballot issue. Turns out it was found by the election board in Fulton county, and affected 342 ballots.

https://www.11alive.com/article/news...d-170bc6ebbe00

Having detected and (presumably) rectified the issue, Biden's lead in Georgia is now up 11500.

[Ambrosia]

Originally Posted by Armitage72

Two weeks.

Have you brought any fruits or vegetables onto the planet?

[TahiniBinShawarma]

@AndrewSeidman

Pa House GOP members tomorrow will "call for a legislative-led audit of the 2020 election and demand election results not be certified, nor electors be seated, until the audit is complete," per news release.

[TahiniBinShawarma]

"BREAKING - Attorney General William Barr has authorized federal prosecutors across the U.S. to pursue “substantial allegations” of voting irregularities before the 2020 presidential election is certified (AP News)"

[Resume]

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

"BREAKING - Attorney General William Barr has authorized federal prosecutors across the U.S. to pursue “substantial allegations” of voting irregularities before the 2020 presidential election is certified (AP News)"

Fred Flintstone strikes again!!

[Paul2]

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

@AndrewSeidman

Pa House GOP members tomorrow will "call for a legislative-led audit of the 2020 election and demand election results not be certified, nor electors be seated, until the audit is complete," per news release.

Ballotpedia says that county elections boards are required to do their own audit. Nothing yet that the legislature gets to do that, especially without the governor’s OK.

[TahiniBinShawarma]

Originally Posted by Resume

Fred Flintstone strikes again!!

LOL, I always think Messy Marvin.

[slyjoe]

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

"BREAKING - Attorney General William Barr has authorized federal prosecutors across the U.S. to pursue “substantial allegations” of voting irregularities before the 2020 presidential election is certified (AP News)"

Well, I guess he finally drank the last bit of kool aid.

[TahiniBinShawarma]

Originally Posted by Paul2

Ballotpedia says that county elections boards are required to do their own audit. Nothing yet that the legislature gets to do that, especially without the governor’s OK.

Electoral votes are certified by the state legislatures, I'm pretty sure they can do whatever they want before they certify. It's thir constitutional responsibility.

[SezMe]

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Put the election under audit with Trump's taxes.

Then the results would be released in ... two weeks!

[slyjoe]

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Electoral votes are certified by the state legislatures, I'm pretty sure they can do whatever they want before they certify. It's thir constitutional responsibility.

Secretary of State in PA.

[Paul2]

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

"BREAKING - Attorney General William Barr has authorized federal prosecutors across the U.S. to pursue “substantial allegations” of voting irregularities before the 2020 presidential election is certified (AP News)"

while I yield to no one in my paranoia about the election might still be stolen, the presumed lack of evidence of fraud significant enough to change an outcome in a state is a barrier that can’t be overcome, I think. This is probably just Riling up the base, akin to the investigations that go nowhere. I hope.

[TahiniBinShawarma]

Originally Posted by Paul2

Ballotpedia says that county elections boards are required to do their own audit. Nothing yet that the legislature gets to do that, especially without the governor’s OK.

What makes you think legislatures get their orders from governors? I'm not sure where you live, but that isn't how it works in the U.S.

[varwoche]

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

I think he's a bombast and a blowhard, who likes to make a lot of noise, but I don't personally think he ever had any intention of trying to become a dictator. Just like I also never worried that he would wake up in the night and launch a nuclear strike on a whim. Or like I never worried about the roving gangs of Trump supporters who were going to start hunting down and beating gay people in Capitol Hill.

You mean like...?

He wouldn't attempt to overturn the results of an election
He wouldn't have his goons attack peaceful protesters (so that he can have a photo op)
He wouldn't use the arms of government as re-election minions
He wouldn't encourage armed whack jobd to commit political violence
He wouldn't support the whack jobs plotting to take Gov. Whitmer to trial in the woods
He wouldn't encourage violence against the media
He wouldn't blink when Saudi thugs offed a US journalist

Are these among the things you have in mind when you shill for Dear Leader's innocent intentions?

[Paul2]

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Electoral votes are certified by the state legislatures, I'm pretty sure they can do whatever they want before they certify. It's thir constitutional responsibility.

To my knowledge this is incorrect. State officials, not the legislature, carries out the certification. Happy to see contrary evidence.

[Paul2]

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

What makes you think legislatures get their orders from governors? I'm not sure where you live, but that isn't how it works in the U.S.

because they’d need to pass legislation to do that, and the G’s signature is requires on a bill.

[TahiniBinShawarma]

Originally Posted by Paul2

while I yield to no one in my paranoia about the election might still be stolen, the presumed lack of evidence of fraud significant enough to change an outcome in a state is a barrier that can’t be overcome, I think. This is probably just Riling up the base, akin to the investigations that go nowhere. I hope.

Well that's the thing, what we think doesn't really matter. What matters is if enough legislatures ask for a full audit or hand recount.

"the presumed lack of evidence of fraud significant enough to change an outcome "

all depends on the margin of victory for each state, and the challenges. It's going to get ugly.

[Emily's Cat]

Originally Posted by varwoche

Are these among the things you have in mind when you shill for Dear Leader's innocent intentions?

Varwoche, I get tired of you immediately dropping into an insinuation that I'm a Trump supporter. I'm not, and it's very irritating.

[Paul2]

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Well that's the thing, what we think doesn't really matter. What matters is if enough legislatures ask for a full audit or hand recount.

"the presumed lack of evidence of fraud significant enough to change an outcome "

all depends on the margin of victory for each state, and the challenges. It's going to get ugly.

Again, where are you getting that a legislature has any power past what a governor would sign off on with regard to an election?

[TahiniBinShawarma]

Originally Posted by Paul2

because they’d need to pass legislation to do that, and the G’s signature is requires on a bill.

Legislatures don't need to pass anything to look into an election that they are constitutionally required to certify. It's their job regardless of whether the governor wants it or not.

[slyjoe]

Originally Posted by Paul2

To my knowledge this is incorrect. State officials, not the legislature, carries out the certification. Happy to see contrary evidence.

In general, it is the Secretary of State.

[slyjoe]

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Legislatures don't need to pass anything to look into an election that they are constitutionally required to certify. It's their job regardless of whether the governor wants it or not.

Show an example of where a legislature certifies election results.

[johnny karate]

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Varwoche, I get tired of you immediately dropping into an insinuation that I'm a Trump supporter. I'm not, and it's very irritating.

I wonder if it’s as irritating as your habit of scolding people from your disingenuously assumed position of the reasonable middle?

[Paul2]

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Legislatures don't need to pass anything to look into an election that they are constitutionally required to certify. It's their job regardless of whether the governor wants it or not.

the Leg. doesn’t certify an election. Where are you getting that. Be specific.

[varwoche]

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Varwoche, I get tired of you immediately dropping into an insinuation that I'm a Trump supporter. I'm not, and it's very irritating.

All readers have to go by are the words you write.

Do you take those things into mind when you proclaim his good intentions? A simple yes/no will suffice.

[Venom]

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

I think he's a bombast and a blowhard, who likes to make a lot of noise, but I don't personally think he ever had any intention of trying to become a dictator. Just like I also never worried that he would wake up in the night and launch a nuclear strike on a whim. Or like I never worried about the roving gangs of Trump supporters who were going to start hunting down and beating gay people in Capitol Hill.

Do wannabe dictators ever come out and explicitly say they want to be dictator? You never were worried that his followers wanted him to essentially be dictator?

[TahiniBinShawarma]

Originally Posted by Paul2

the Leg. doesn’t certify an election. Where are you getting that. Be specific.

Memory, isn't that what was hoped would be done last time with Trump beating Clinton? That because he didn't win the popular vote that legislatures should send electors for Clinton?

[Resume]

Originally Posted by slyjoe

Well, I guess he finally drank the last bit of kool aid.

Nah, he saw Trump fire Esper and thought, ****, better get busy.

[Captain_Swoop]

trump Tweets

This is good news, it means I won!
cc: @RepDougCollins @SecretarySonny
Quote Tweet

Brian Kemp
@BrianKempGA
Georgia's election result will include legally cast ballots - and ONLY legally cast ballots. Period.

[Paul2]

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Memory, isn't that what was hoped would be done last time with Trump beating Clinton? That because he didn't win the popular vote that legislatures should send electors for Clinton?

Handpicking the electors, not auditing the election, is perhaps the only way the Leg might insert themselves, but the SCOTUS in the past has ruled that a Leg. can only determine how electors are chosen by passing a law, which means the Governor has to sign it. Also, doing so after an election is over, for that election, is sketchy.

This is the only place at which my paranoia comes back, as this SCOTUS is not that SCOTUS of the past.

[Captain_Swoop]

Trump Tweets

Ken Starr: Pennsylvania Ballot Extension 'Constitutional Travesty'
The disputed Pennsylvania ballot extension forced by state courts over the legislature is a "constitutional travesty," according to famed prosecutor Ken Starr."
newsmax.com

[TahiniBinShawarma]

Originally Posted by Paul2

the Leg. doesn’t certify an election. Where are you getting that. Be specific.

Doing some quick reading on it. The constitution leaves it up to the legislatures on how to choose electors. HOWEVER, all legislatures have enacted laws on giving the electoral votes to whoever wins the states popular vote.

So the legislatures are tied into the popular vote. It's basically going to be the court deciding on everything.

Although that doesn't change that legislatures are going to be poking around with investigations. They have that power irrespective of the governor.

[wareyin]

Originally Posted by johnny karate

I wonder if it’s as irritating as your habit of scolding people from your disingenuously assumed position of the reasonable middle?

You getting Susan Collins vibes? I'm getting Susan Collins vibes.

[TahiniBinShawarma]

Originally Posted by Paul2

Handpicking the electors, not auditing the election, is perhaps the only way the Leg might insert themselves, but the SCOTUS in the past has ruled that a Leg. can only determine how electors are chosen by passing a law, which means the Governor has to sign it. Also, doing so after an election is over, for that election, is sketchy.

This is the only place at which my paranoia comes back, as this SCOTUS is not that SCOTUS of the past.

Yeah, I don't see any laws getting passed to deal with this. They can insert themselves with hearings/investigations, that's about it.

[Paul2]

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma

Doing some quick reading on it. The constitution leaves it up to the legislatures on how to choose electors. HOWEVER, all legislatures have enacted laws on giving the electoral votes to whoever wins the states popular vote.

So the legislatures are tied into the popular vote. It's basically going to be the court deciding on everything.

Although that doesn't change that legislatures are going to be poking around with investigations. They have that power irrespective of the governor.

selecting electors is different significantly than investigations. The Leg can investigate all they want but it changes nothing about the power and schedule for how an election is audited and certified. Unless they go contrary to past SCOTUS and hand pick the electors.