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Old 20th April 2019, 07:40 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by bknight View Post
The link mentions elevators, I haven't seen any pictures but i expect these would be rack and pinion hoists which climb up steel masts. To tie-back to a structure and create landing platforms would involve gas cutting and welding. These are the activities that i see causing most construction fires.
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Old 20th April 2019, 09:38 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by bknight View Post
"On the roof" Yes, we all know that. "In France" would have been as helpful an answer. Where on the roof did the fire start? What circuit shorted?
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Old 21st April 2019, 04:26 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy View Post
"On the roof" Yes, we all know that. "In France" would have been as helpful an answer. Where on the roof did the fire start? What circuit shorted?
You didn't read the article obviously.
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After police reviewed a cache of amateur video and photos from local residences, investigators believe the fire started at the center of the cathedral's roof towards the base of the iconic spiral, the police source said.
Now if you're asking how the fire started there
Quote:
Paris prosecutors are investigating if an electrical short-circuit caused the fire that ripped through the cathedral.
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Old 21st April 2019, 11:14 AM   #84
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Originally Posted by bknight View Post
You didn't read the article obviously.
Like my fellow skeptics, I refuse to soil my browser cache by clicking on links to biased agenda-driven "information" sources and shall react with righteous indignation at any suggestion I do so.

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Now if you're asking how the fire started there
Your quote from CNN provided more clarity. The investigators did not say that a short circuit started the fire, as has been implied. They said they were looking for evidence that a short circuit started the fire. It's a subtle but important distinction and a more honest assessment of what's going on.
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Old 21st April 2019, 04:17 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy View Post
Like my fellow skeptics, I refuse to soil my browser cache by clicking on links to biased agenda-driven "information" sources and shall react with righteous indignation at any suggestion I do so.


Your quote from CNN provided more clarity. The investigators did not say that a short circuit started the fire, as has been implied. They said they were looking for evidence that a short circuit started the fire. It's a subtle but important distinction and a more honest assessment of what's going on.
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Paris prosecutors are investigating if an electrical short-circuit caused the fire that ripped through the cathedral.
Nothing implied in the quote, where did you pull that one out?
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Old 21st April 2019, 05:20 PM   #86
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First off, Professor Simon Holland has no suspicions of foul play. He put together some good images of the fire and some before, including some inside the cathedral and its forest of beams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlaxZtwUpVc

FYI, there is another thread on the fire, not concerned with conspiracy theories:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=335911

"'Computer glitch' may be behind Notre Dame Cathedral fire, rector says"
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/no...-live-updates/
CBS video pinpoints an elevator, based on an article in the French publication Le Parisian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPzFMWqZs_4
"... Le Parisian newspaper that investigators are looking at whether the fire could have been linked to a computer glitch or the temporary elevators used in the renovation work, among other things."
This "computer bug" apparently showed the location of the fire in the wrong place. The fire "may have" started at the base of the spire, according to Le Parisian, secondhand from CBS. Or you can translate this page:
http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-diver...19-8054928.php

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According to our information, two security agents at the cathedral saw the first flames, almost three meters high, according to their statements. They even provided a photo to the PJ investigators. And if they could see the first flames, it's not by chance. A few minutes earlier, at around 6:15 pm, a fire alarm flashed on the control screens. Except that according to our information, a computer bug would have indicated a bad place to the agents.
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One certainty: the security officers told the police that the focus of the fire was located at the corner, that is to say at the base of the Notre Dame spire, on the Seine side. When they arrive on the spot by the elevator, the fire is already alive and they can not do anything anymore. Now remains to know what could cause this violent fire. One of the tracks considered by Crim's investigators is that of an electrical problem. 'There could have been a short circuit,' says one close friend. The investigators wonder about the elevators that were laid for the works." (translated by Chrome)
What else could it have been? Lots of people are naturally suspicious that it was arson. Reading comments on Notre Dame Cathedral fire YouTube videos, I've learned this suspicion is everywhere. It is on nearly everyone's mind, yet those who speak the thought -- the question -- are branded Islamophobic or racist. Of couse some are. I have Muslim family, so I rightly fear for them. I was relieved when my stepdaughter stopped wearing her hijab. (It is interesting that her dad got me into 9/11 research by giving me a Loose Change DVD that had circulated the mosque circa 2007.)

By keeping Islam-directed talk out of the media, civilized people have made a good decision. For one thing, this kind of suspicious thinking is bad for tourism. Worst of all is the violence that would ensue if speculations were given a wide forum. But Christians won't give in to hate. They will turn the other cheek and continue to uphold the most persecuted religion on Earth. We can only hope the hasty rebuilding of Notre-Dame Cathedral doesn't become a symbol of a last-ditch effort to recover France from ruin.

I'm not pushing the conspiracy theory, only posting links to enhance the thread and save people some time searching the web. This is a huge and dangerous topic, as YouTube's designers anticipated when they created the "AI" system that failed monumentally by accidentally putting the September 11 attacks "information panel" beneath live network coverage of the fire (in the U.S. and South Korea).
https://www.timesofisrael.com/youtub...s-blind-spots/
"YouTube’s Notre Dame-9/11 flub highlights AI’s blind spots:
Effort to clamp down on conspiracy theories backfires as automated system attaches info on 9/11 to livestream videos of Paris cathedral fire"
Also reported in:
https://www.businessinsider.com/notr...rmation-2019-4
From which we read:
"There have been no reports of the Notre-Dame Cathedral fire being a terrorist attack, so it's unclear why YouTube would link the two events."

Although one guest on Fox News said it was like France's 9/11 (though nobody was killed).
"Notre Dame Cathedral Fire: Shep Smith Silences French Elected Official Saying: 'NOT ACCIDENTAL'"
by Jeff Censored!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk2T8sFgqmw
A French elected official named Phillippe Karsenty then began to speculate:
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-Karsenty: '...for the past year we've had churches desecrated each and every week in France, all over France. So of course you will hear the story of the politically correct, political correctness which will tell you it was probably an accident.'
-Smith: 'Sir. Sir. Sir. We're not going to speculate here the cause of something we don't know. If you have observations...."
The Fox News anchor again stopped Karsenty as he tried to continue, "We need to be ready...."
The guy who posted the video did say he realized it was dangerous to speculate. But he thinks it was arson.

I won't post the Alex Jones/Lou Dobbs link. That guy, FFS. Fearmongering 101. I believe somebody else already posted the Glenn Beck video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u6g0-CwT_k

"Notre Dame Cathedral fire spurs Islamophobic conspiracy theories on social media:
Images and videos of the flaming cathedral spread quickly across social media and were quickly seized upon to push Islamophobic narratives that have flourished in far-right politics."
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-ne...-media-n995091
...which mentions "white nationalist YouTube agitator" Stefan Molyneaux, whose video is "Notre Dame Burns!" -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlaxZtwUpVc

The Notre Dame Cathedral Fire | A Planned, Deliberate Event
by PressResetEarth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlaxZtwUpVc
He says there was so much evidence he had to make a part 2:
The Truth About the Notre Dame ARSON (Addendum)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlaxZtwUpVc

"Cathedral Fire: Leftist Media SUDDENLY Interested in Waiting for Facts"
by Jon Miller (blazetv.com)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFEiQL3G1PU
14 minute professional-looking rant including the above Fox News clip.

Muslims Celebrate The Burning of Notre Dame Cathedral: An Act of Terrorism & Arson. EXPOSE THEM!
by De Profundis Clamavi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlaxZtwUpVc
Another example of this attempt to stir up hate with much of the same material:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdOGxQVortQ

ISLAM THREAT!!? TRUTH about the PARIS NOTRE DAME FIRE!!
by Cyrus992
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlaxZtwUpVc
From the comments: "For this to happen on Holy Week has me convinced this was done intentionally. Whether as part of the Muslim war on Christianity or by the French government in an attempt to squash the yellow vest movement." -Darin Costantine

Another example of the "false flag to stop the yellow vest movement" by Press For Truth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zeyA2sdDq0

But forget all that, because it was directed energy weapons!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8XYGd-h-3s
AND beware: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unE5es7a-bc

"Don't Fall For These Hoaxes About The Notre Dame Fire!"
by BuzzFeed News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpzh1HO6YIU

"Notre Dame Cathedral Arson Attack TRUTH EXPOSED"
by TateSpeech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUawreMAIAk
Summed up in one word: "BS"
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Old 21st April 2019, 05:46 PM   #87
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Originally Posted by bknight View Post
Nothing implied in the quote, where did you pull that one out?
Not in the quote, elsewhere on the web.
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Old 21st April 2019, 06:37 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy View Post
Not in the quote, elsewhere on the web.
My apology.
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Old Yesterday, 01:42 PM   #89
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Originally Posted by MattNelson
Reading comments on Notre Dame Cathedral fire YouTube videos, I've learned this suspicion is everywhere. It is on nearly everyone's mind
Reading youtube comments hardly tells one what's on "everyone's mind," more like "what's on the mind of morons who comment on youtube videos."
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