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Old Today, 02:40 AM   #3281
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Revised or evolved?

M.A’Hearn.


Not evolving more toward mostly dust. I assume you can read and understand English?

And now lying about Michael A'Hearn again. I keep asking you; point to the detection of rock in the scientific literature. Not dust - rock.
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Old Today, 02:43 AM   #3282
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Reality disconnect, the direct quote

Can’t see dust in the quote anywhere??? Oversight?

And even if he meant to say dust instead of mostly rock/dirt/refractory material, it just presents more problems than answers.

Such as my newly discovered favourite the ”activity paradox”.



Is near-surface ice the driver of dust activity on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

Dust accelerated? The charged dust? the first direct evidence for the presence of electrically charged dust particles in a coma.


I wonder...electric fields anyone?

How much dust did Philea collect again?
And more gibberish. What electric field? Which way is it pointed? What is the charge on the dust? Which direction is it going in this field? I keep asking you to explain this. And your repeated refusal to do so is just one more admission that you accept that your unscientific, evidence-free woo has failed.
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Old Today, 02:47 AM   #3283
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Detections of rock = 0.

Detections of EDM (lol) = 0.

Detections of electric discharges = 0.

Detections of gas = shed loads.

Detections of ice = shed loads.

Detections of non-active bodies on highly elliptical orbits = shed loads.

Electric comet woo therefore fails trivially. End thread.
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Old Today, 02:49 AM   #3284
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
And more gibberish. What electric field? Which way is it pointed? What is the charge on the dust? Which direction is it going in this field? I keep asking you to explain this. And your repeated refusal to do so is just one more admission that you accept that your unscientific, evidence-free woo has failed.

It’s not electrostatics.

Acceleration of ions and nano dust at a comet in the solar wind

YOU choose to ignore the facts.
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Old Today, 03:10 AM   #3285
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Detections of rock = 0.

Detections of EDM (lol) = 0.

Detections of electric discharges = 0.

Detections of gas = shed loads.

Detections of ice = shed loads.

Detections of non-active bodies on highly elliptical orbits = shed loads.

Electric comet woo therefore fails trivially. End thread.
No sheds loads of gas or ice at 67P!

As per this new paper from RSI, MIRO, ROSINA data from an in situ extended mission to a active asteroid comet.

The Nucleus of Comet 67P/ChuryumovGerasimenko - Part I: The Global View – nucleus mass, mass loss, porosity and implications

In fact, it’s even worse than just gas! Comets according to the RSI data, or at least 67p, are highly porous STONY agglomerations.

Close enough to A’Hearns ROCK for this little black duck.

Any papers out lately on cometary “ice” jonesdave116?

You seem hung up on a couple old papers using a few too many assumptions and generalisation.
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
It’s not electrostatics.

Acceleration of ions and nano dust at a comet in the solar wind

YOU choose to ignore the facts.
And of what relevance to your failed woo is that?
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Old Today, 04:09 AM   #3287
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
No sheds loads of gas or ice at 67P!

As per this new paper from RSI, MIRO, ROSINA data from an in situ extended mission to a active asteroid comet.

The Nucleus of Comet 67P/ChuryumovGerasimenko - Part I: The Global View – nucleus mass, mass loss, porosity and implications

In fact, it’s even worse than just gas! Comets according to the RSI data, or at least 67p, are highly porous STONY agglomerations.

Close enough to A’Hearns ROCK for this little black duck.

Any papers out lately on cometary “ice” jonesdave116?

You seem hung up on a couple old papers using a few too many assumptions and generalisation.
Nope, no stones, no rock and plenty of ice and gas. Your 'model' needs no ice, and requires the gas to come from the solar wind impossibly combining with non-existent O-, which in turn comes from impossible, unobserved EDM (lol) of non-existent rock, when the solar wind is missing from the scene.
Please explain how this is not a total failure?
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
And of what relevance to your failed woo is that?
What’s accelerating the dust?

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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Nope, no stones, no rock and plenty of ice and gas. Your 'model' needs no ice, and requires the gas to come from the solar wind impossibly combining with non-existent O-, which in turn comes from impossible, unobserved EDM (lol) of non-existent rock, when the solar wind is missing from the scene.
Please explain how this is not a total failure?

Ahhh, I see where we are going wrong now. You haven’t the foggiest what the electric comet is.

The electric comet model needs charge separation and electric fields and the associated electric currents to power the double layers.

We see all of these phenomena in our observations of 67P.
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
What’s accelerating the dust?

Well, it isn't electric discharges or EDM (lol). So of what relevance is it?
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Ahhh, I see where we are going wrong now. You haven’t the foggiest what the electric comet is.

The electric comet model needs charge separation and electric fields and the associated electric currents to power the double layers.

We see all of these phenomena in our observations of 67P.
No we don't No double layers, no currents to power them, and any charge separation will be limited to the Debye length. And stop lying about your stupid 'model'. Want me to quote word for word from T & T's rubbish? You need EDM (lol), electric discharges, planetary rock, H+ combining with O-, and you need a total lack of ice. Therefore your woo has failed. 100%.
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
What’s accelerating the dust?

So, you didn't read the paper? It is quite plainly spelled out that the solar wind convection electric field is what accelerates the ions and dust.
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