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Old Today, 12:18 AM   #2121
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
You mean your clumsily loaded questions? And your thinly-veiled emotional tantrum against science? The issue here isn't whether religion makes people feel good or gives them a sense of purpose or makes them feel important. The issue is whether your religion is supported by fact, which it isn't. It's whether your claims that Jainism is a scientific religion are supported by fact, which they aren't.

Yeah, good luck convincing anyone but yourself that I'm being evasive. Good luck convincing them that everything I've said is "sewage." Do you really think you've earned that degree of credibility? I'm perfectly willing to talk about your loaded, irrelevant questions. All you have to do is retract your accusation that science brainwashes the public. But you can't do even that one simple thing.
No. Just reply my questions or forget and forgive.
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
Since Jay has avoided to reply above simple questions, I invite all others members to reply above.
Invitation declined.

Kindly withdraw your baseless accusations, and apologise to JayUtah for insulting him.

I am not going to continue taking the time to decipher your posts and correct their more egregious errors until you do.
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
No. Just reply my questions or forget and forgive.
Do you really think you're the first fringe claimant to try to deflect from his own abject failure by changing the subject and shifting responsibility for answering questions? Do you really think you're the first person to equivocate via loaded questions?

Your questions have zero to do with the factuality of your religion. They're trying to conflate subjective benefit with truth. Nevertheless I'm willing to let your derail this already train wreck of an argument if you just retract your accusation that science brainwashes people. Is that accusation so important to you that you can't drop it?
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
Do you really think you're the first fringe claimant to try to deflect from his own abject failure by changing the subject and shifting responsibility for answering questions? Do you really think you're the first person to equivocate via loaded questions?

Your questions have zero to do with the factuality of your religion. They're trying to conflate subjective benefit with truth. Nevertheless I'm willing to let your derail this already train wreck of an argument if you just retract your accusation that science brainwashes people. Is that accusation so important to you that you can't drop it?
No, No. Just reply my questions otherwise forget. I can understand.
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Old Today, 12:47 AM   #2125
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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
Invitation declined.

Kindly withdraw your baseless accusations, and apologise to JayUtah for insulting him.

I am not going to continue taking the time to decipher your posts and correct their more egregious errors until you do.
No. Discuss independently. . Just reply my questions or forget. Most simple and reasonable rhetorical questions.
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
Simply accept all sides are not A&F so all sides do not have perfect expertise, so just discuss in these considerations.
Kumar please link to ANY instance where I or anybody else has required you to be absolute and final. Or quit this nonsense.

All we have ever requested from you is useful evidence.

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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans View Post
Kumar please link to ANY instance where I or anybody else has required you to be absolute and final. Or quit this nonsense.

All we have ever requested from you is useful evidence.

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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
No.
Then this is the last time I will respond to one of your posts.

Fortunately I have many more interesting and rewarding things to do with my time than trying to correct the deficiencies in your education.
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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
Then this is the last time I will respond to one of your posts.

Fortunately I have many more interesting and rewarding things to do with my time than trying to correct the deficiencies in your education.

Fortunately or not, I can't say. But Good luck and thanks for educating & contradicting me.
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
Since Jay has avoided to reply above simple questions, I invite all others members to reply above.

We can't reply above. Replies always go below on this forum.
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
I can understand.

Yet another completely unsupported assertion.
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We can't reply above. Replies always go below on this forum.
It is well proved most members here do not give their independent view. Those are just most simple and reasonable rhetorical questions.
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
Those are just most simple and reasonable rhetorical questions.

Then why do you expect us to answer them?
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
No. Discuss independently. . Just reply my questions or forget. Most simple and reasonable rhetorical questions.
You don't even understand what rhetorical means.

'A rhetorical question is one which is asked in order to make a statement rather than to get an answer.'

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/di...ish/rhetorical

'Rhetoric:

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the study of the technique of using language effectively
2.
the art of using speech to persuade, influence, or please; oratory
3.
excessive use of ornamentation and contrivance in spoken or written discourse; bombast
4.
speech or discourse that pretends to significance but lacks true meaning'



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Number 4 seems to be particularly apt.
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Then why do you expect us to answer them?
Because that still is a question. Also to get his acceptance otherwise anyone can claim non A&F.
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You don't even understand what rhetorical means.

'A rhetorical question is one which is asked in order to make a statement rather than to get an answer.'

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/di...ish/rhetorical

'Rhetoric:

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Number 4 seems to be particularly apt.
rhetorical questions
a question asked in order to create a dramatic effect or to make a point rather than to get an answer.
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Because that still is a question.

No, a rhetorical question is a question to which the person asking it does not expect an answer.
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No. Discuss independently. . Just reply my questions or forget. Most simple and reasonable rhetorical questions.
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rhetorical questions
a question asked in order to create a dramatic effect or to make a point rather than to get an answer.
Well done.

And for your next lesson, try putting two and two together.

(Hint - do you notice a bit of a contradiction?)
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rhetorical questions
a question asked in order to create a dramatic effect or to make a point rather than to get an answer.

So why are you asking us to answer your rhetorical questions?
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Well done.

And for your next lesson, try putting two and two together.

(Hint - do you notice a bit of a contradiction?)
twotwo. What?
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So why are you asking us to answer your rhetorical questions?
to create a dramatic effect or to make a point.
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From Kumar's previous use of the term it seems that he thinks "rhetorical" means "incoherent".
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Goodbye Kumar.

I join Pixel42 in tiring of your evasion and games.

You are the worst, most dishonest jain ever. It's a good thing religion is bollocks, or you'd be headed to whatever the jain equivalent of hell is.
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From Kumar's previous use of the term it seems that he thinks "rhetorical" means "incoherent".
NO. Only coherent. Reply to two lines can also be in two lines respectively in same post.
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Originally Posted by Kumar View Post
to create a dramatic effect or to make a point.

No, that's why you ask rhetorical questions. You do not expect them to be answered.
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No, that's why you ask rhetorical questions. You do not expect them to be answered.
Because neither get right answers nor expect. Rhetorical questions from both sides.

ANYWAY, we have relaxed a bit by TTTTs. Now, coming to point relevant to topic, tell me about "Deception" as I recently indicated.
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ANYWAY, we have relaxed a bit by TTTTs. Now, coming to point relevant to topic, tell me about "Deception" as I recently indicated.

You have recently been trying to deceive us by asking "rhetorical" questions with a hidden agenda, but failed because it wasn't hidden very well.
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You have recently been trying to deceive us by asking "rhetorical" questions with a hidden agenda, but failed because it wasn't hidden very well.
No.
Do not speculate about me for next five dàys.
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Goodbye Kumar.

I join Pixel42 in tiring of your evasion and games.

You are the worst, most dishonest jain ever. It's a good thing religion is bollocks, or you'd be headed to whatever the jain equivalent of hell is.
Get well soon.
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Any detail on internet should be acceptable.
If you believe that, there's some swampland in New Jersey I can get for you at a very attractive price.
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NO. Only coherent. Reply to two lines can also be in two lines respectively in same post.
That, in English at least, is meaningless. Totally null. Void. Semantically empty. And rather silly into the bargain. Additional examples abound in these threads - indeed any discussion where your posts are found.
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