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Old 3rd December 2017, 01:54 PM   #1
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I find it strange that many Truthers don't admit that Saudi Arabia is mostly to blame

For 9/11, that is - both indirectly and (in some ways) directly - along with Pakistan (the ISI, mainly), the Taliban in Afghanistan (for providing safe harbor to bin Laden and his confederates), and many Sunni/Wahhabist
imams operating with the blessing of Saudi and other Gulf monarchy sponsored "charities" around the world (or at the very least, willful neglect and turning a blind eye to what some of these clerics and donors were really up to).

Hell, even Iran was willing to provide sanctuary to some al-Qaeda associates and operatives under that time-old logic "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" (Iran's enemies, in this case, being the US, Israel, and the Sunni Gulf monarchies that al-Qaeda and other Sunni jihadists have been very explicit about wanting to violently overthrow - which further complicates the position of the House of Saud and the other Islamic regimes in the Middle East, particularly in the Persian Gulf).

In some tragic and twisted irony, one of the few Middle Eastern regimes that did NOT tolerate al-Qaeda (domestically) was Saddam Hussein's Iraq - not out of the goodness of Saddam's indisputably sadistic heart, mind you, but because Saddam (correctly) judged bin Laden and his followers to be threats to his own absolute draconian power and brutally authoritarian regime in Iraq, and Saddam usually only sponsored terrorists when he could control them.

When Truthers do admit any of these facts, it's almost inevitably as a logically tortured way station en route to their argument that violent jihadists, clerics, and their patrons in the Islamic world are merely acting on behalf of the real puppet-masters who are responsible for 9/11 and everything else that is bad, unjust, and evil in the world (the US and Israel, mostly - hmm... ). Apparently, Muslims have no agency of their own, no ability to act independently of what the US, the West in general (and Israel...lmao) instruct them to do. Nothing racist or condescending about that at all!

There's plenty to talk about regarding the disturbing economic, geopolitical, and even personal ties between American and other Western elites on the one hand, and some of the dubious (at best) and corrupt elites in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, etc. on the other...but that doesn't lend itself to blaming the Jooz and talking about controlled demolitions, thermite, and cruise missiles at the Pentagon, now does it?

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Old 3rd December 2017, 03:40 PM   #2
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There is at least this group around Les Jamieson, who sometimes is identified as someone with AE911T affiliation, but also sometimes accused by some truthers as being a disinfo plant:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/HR.4...aseThe28Pages/

Mixed with more truthy stuff, they frequently put a focus on legislative, judicial and administrative action towards Saudi Arabia as an obvious sponsor of terrorism in general and 9/11 in particular.
I haven't studied them in emough depth though to know whether they put the blame squarely on the Kingdom, or pass the bill further down to any NWO handlers or whatever.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 07:09 PM   #3
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Most conspiracie theories appear to be American focused, apparently built in the myth of all powerful American intelligence agencies and often combined with superhuman mythical powers of the Mossad.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 10:30 PM   #4
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I think a lot of Truthers don't actually know much about the mechanism of the 9/11 attacks, other than what happened that day. Being this way makes it much easier to imagine that the perpetrators, such as UBL and KSM, were in fact completely innocent by-standers who were framed by the evil American imperialists. It's just my feeling, but I suspect that no-planers and Truthers of that ilk are much more this way than the other kind of Truthers who believe in thermite, explosives and that sort of thing. With the demise of this latter group, we're left with Truthers that really know very little about 9/11.
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Old 4th December 2017, 11:32 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
Most conspiracie theories appear to be American focused, apparently built in the myth of all powerful American intelligence agencies and often combined with superhuman mythical powers of the Mossad.
To be fair, the Mossad is pretty damn effective at hunting down terrorists (to their credit. )

The American intelligence agencies, on the other hand, wish that they were nearly as "all powerful" as the conspiratards think they are. CT'ers give them far too much credit, and anyone who knows anything about the US intelligence community will be the first to tell you that (I believe we have a few people on this very forum who've worked in US intelligence, actually - including the infamous, nefarious, cold-blooded killers of the CIA ).

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Originally Posted by Allen773 View Post
To be fair, the Mossad is pretty damn effective at hunting down terrorists (to their credit. )

The American intelligence agencies, on the other hand, wish that they were nearly as "all powerful" as the conspiratards think they are. CT'ers give them far too much credit, and anyone who knows anything about the US intelligence community will be the first to tell you that (I believe we have a few people on this very forum who've worked in US intelligence, actually - including the infamous, nefarious, cold-blooded killers of the CIA ).
Could be the Mossad is just better at covering up their mistakes. They do have a reputation to uphold, you know...
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Could be the Mossad is just better at covering up their mistakes. They do have a reputation to uphold, you know...
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Originally Posted by Scott Sommers View Post
I think a lot of Truthers don't actually know much about the mechanism of the 9/11 attacks, other than what happened that day. Being this way makes it much easier to imagine that the perpetrators, such as UBL and KSM, were in fact completely innocent by-standers who were framed by the evil American imperialists. It's just my feeling, but I suspect that no-planers and Truthers of that ilk are much more this way than the other kind of Truthers who believe in thermite, explosives and that sort of thing. With the demise of this latter group, we're left with Truthers that really know very little about 9/11.
Agreed. Moreover, they display no knowledge whatsoever of the history and origins of jihadism. They seem to think it was invented by the CIA in the 1980's. Try asking them who Sayeed Qutb or Ibn Taymiyyah were, and enjoy the blank stares you'll get.
It's as if the entire Muslim world had no history at all before conspiracy theorists became aware of it, a position I find both ignorant and patronising.
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