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The idea that number of downloads/views/clicks/whatever = number of people agreeing that the document is truthful is absurd. It merely takes literally any work of fiction to disprove this. Just wanting to read or view something does not mean you think that thing is true.
Honestly, it's this type of failure of critical thinking that leads to these awful conspiracy theories and similar rubbish. Can you people please stop not thinking? |
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The supposed purpose of AE911T is to get a new investigation. To do so they must garner the support of a recognized professional organization (preferably an American one) such as the ASCE, or even the IEEE.
A dozen+ years and counting now (iirc) since AE911T's inception. |
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I got as far as the Editor's warning that the article differed from the journal's other articles which are based on actual science.
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The Law of Large Numbers + Barnum’s Law
Total submittals of this TS paper to top tier structural and fire engineering journals = unknown Total submittals of this TS paper to top tier peer reviewed structural and fire engineering journals that were accepted = zero Total of this TS paper shotgunned to structural, fire, physics journals, newsletters on the web beginning with the letter “E”, not peer reviewed and accepted as speculation = one |
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In Your Guts You Know They're Nuts. "There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true." -Kierkegaard . "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. "- Marcus Aurelius A Truther is a True Believer convinced by lies. You can't reason someone out of a thing they weren't reasoned into.There's a sucker born every minute-Barnum |
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There is a rather safe bet, dontcha think?
ETA: Most scientific journal would cite the article's DOI - it has one: http://dx.doi.org/10.1051/epn/2016402 You can google site that link to that DOI: Use the search string This excludes the link by Europhysicsnews itself, and from Facebook, Blogger and Wordpress, none of which host serious journals. I get 20 results - easily checked: There are - surprise - zero science journals. Some blogs, some marketing consulting firms, some political radicals. |
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In comparison, an average Alex Jones video from Jan 4, 2017 already has over 186,000 views:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhZQEEdPXZg His video about Prince exposing the NWO from April 2016 has over 1.6 million views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwcYqFjvNpQ So we already know there are hundreds of thousands of idiots who will download CT crap, so this 400,000 number isn't all that impressive. |
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Had you continued reading past the first eleven words in the editor's note
you would have discovered the editors true sentiments on the subject. Editors warning [excerpt] NOTE FROM THE EDITORS This feature is somewhat different from our usual purely scientific articles , in that it contains some speculation. However, given the timing and the importance of the issue, we consider that this feature is sufficiently technical and interesting to merit publication for our readers. Obviously, the content of this article is the responsibility of the authors. [/excerpt] |
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Yes, your bible faith based paper based on lies and nonsense, is not purely scientific. Do you understand this is a polite way to call them CTers with no evidence. Yes the authors have no evidence, the article is speculation based on paranoia, hate, and lots of BS.
This is funny and sad, 15 years and reading comprehension is banned from 9/11 truth. |
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The paper is based on a lie and fools people who can't do science, and people who prefer lies. You like lies, and can't figure out CD is lie; 15 years, no evidence. Self critiquing; Yes, the authors of the paper lie about 9/11, and some people are fooled.
The paper is BS, and was not published in a journal. Why can't 9/11 truth liars get published in a real engineering journal. It is news, there are crazy ideas about 9/11 based on no evidence - the lies fool those who refuse to think for themselves. Did if fool you? |
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Have you ever heard of the Journal of Irreproducible Results? While being intended as humor, it also included some actual studies that were "sufficiently technical and interesting", even though they were funny as hell. Sometimes even scientists like to just run with some ******** to see what happens. Heck, we're doing that right now, here on the ISF, in a thread about a ******** free energy device. Just for fun, we have people speculating about what the environmental impact of this "discovery" would be if it were true. I myself suggested that it might inadvertently turn into a hydrogen bomb. So this disclaimer is possibly not so generous to the truthers as you might hope. |
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Well, Horatius, a few years ago "South Park" did an episode involving 9/11 conspiracy and some truthers thought it was in support of their views. It wasn't.
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Or when CTists link to Washington Times or Onion articles to support their points.
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The editors of Europhysics News have posted a follow up re Tony's article. I'll let it speak for itself.
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I've archived it on webcitation.org too:
http://www.webcitation.org/query?url...ate=2017-01-15 This part is worth highlighting: It is shocking that the published article is being used to support conspiracy theories related to the attacks on the WTC. The Editors of EPN do not endorse or support these views. |
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So, as most of us already knew, this changed nothing.
AE911T and the truther conjectures remain a fringe conspiracy theme. No formal or peer reviewed paper. No respect from the scientific or engineering communities. |
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By now, Tony and AE911T must be aware of this further disclaimer by Europhysics News.
The questions are: - Will AE911T post this disclaimer on their website? - Will Tony Szamboti or AE911T post a response to this damning disclaimer? - Or will they ignore it and pretend that their POV is most certainly not shared by the Editors? "The Editors of EPN do not endorse or support these views" |
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Anyone else notice that this was a drive-by Tony Szamboti thread?
Seems this:
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Europhysics News published a response to the Truther article in the first 2017 issue - by Bazant an Le:
https://www.europhysicsnews.org/arti...n2017-48-1.pdf (starting on page 18) The two basically rehash their own old papers. |
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It's worth skimming through this edition of Europhysics News, BTW, just to see the XKCD reference in one of the other articles.
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Two points worth remarking:
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EPN 47/5&6 can be found here:
https://www.europhysicsnews.org/arti...016-47-5-6.pdf The Twoof article spawned an editorial (page 3) that is inspired by its "Science denial", a couple of letters to the editor on page 43 (one Peter Ketcham's infamous "I know nothing but was a little NISTian and I saw all the twoofy YouTubes" letter), a response by the Editors on page 44 with the proposed change of policy, and a response by NIST (Michael E. Newman) on the same page. The Editors say:
Originally Posted by EPN Editors
Note from the editors regarding: 15 years later: On the physics of high-rise building collapses This is largely the content of page 44 in the issue discussed above. |
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