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Old 21st November 2020, 02:13 PM   #2321
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Watch: Hundreds of Activists Gather for ‘Stop the Steal‘ Rally in Georgia https://breitbart.com/politics/2020/...ly-in-georgia/ via BreitbartNews
Big Rallies all over the Country. The proof pouring in is undeniable. Many more votes than needed. This was a LANDSLIDE!
Only a few hundreds? What happened to the million people from the last rally?

Also, since it's Trump, can I assume that the "hundreds" he's talking about is a dozen people or so?
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Old 21st November 2020, 02:17 PM   #2322
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President Trump has done many great things (biggest tax & regulation cuts in history, Space Force, rebuilding our military, fixing the V.A., the Wall), but perhaps the most important of all will be what he is doing now, exposing the massive corruption in our Electoral Process.
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Old 21st November 2020, 02:28 PM   #2323
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

Watch: Hundreds of Activists Gather for ‘Stop the Steal‘ Rally in Georgia https://breitbart.com/politics/2020/...ly-in-georgia/ via BreitbartNews
Big Rallies all over the Country. The proof pouring in is undeniable. Many more votes than needed. This was a LANDSLIDE!

(video in link)
https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-tru...unoffs-1549245

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President Donald Trump supporters protesting the outcome of the 2020 election have a new and surprising opponent: the Republican Party.

A viral video of protesters, as well as posts on social media platform Parler, indicate that Trump supporters are looking to boycott the upcoming Georgia Senate runoff elections.
I say go for it, teach those naughty Republicans a lesson.
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Old 21st November 2020, 02:33 PM   #2324
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And he's still desperately trying:

US election: Michigan Republicans seek to delay vote certification

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Yet, in the letter on Saturday, the Michigan Republican Party called for the full audit of votes in Wayne County, where the majority-black city of Detroit heavily leans Democrat.

The letter, signed by Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel and Michigan Republican Party head Laura Cox, cited allegations of "irregularities" in the county, which have not been substantiated.
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Old 21st November 2020, 02:35 PM   #2325
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The Republican party destroying itself would be wonderful. Not that I want one party rule but it's pure cancer and hopefully if it's gone a party actually interested in governing will take its place
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Old 21st November 2020, 02:36 PM   #2326
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Originally Posted by surrogate View Post
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I say go for it, teach those naughty Republicans a lesson.
Someone should tell 'em they ain't got the guts to do it.

Someone else should tell them that if Republicans get less than 20% of the vote, they legally have to throw the election out and the Georgia Senate has to select the U.S. Senators.

(Really, I don't advocate the latter, since there's enough misinformation out there. But I see no ethical issue with double dog daring them to boycott.)
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Old 21st November 2020, 02:47 PM   #2327
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Two PA GOP congressmen file suit to declare mail-in balloting unconstitutional.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020...EbGpx5IKQIk2Xs

So, where are our resident conservatives on this one. Hmmm? Anyone?
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Old 21st November 2020, 02:59 PM   #2328
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
Two PA GOP congressmen file suit to declare mail-in balloting unconstitutional.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020...EbGpx5IKQIk2Xs

So, where are our resident conservatives on this one. Hmmm? Anyone?
Case dismissed.

Way too many precedents in law that would reject this including 150 years of elections where mail in ballots have been accepted.
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Old 21st November 2020, 03:05 PM   #2329
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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper View Post
Only a few hundreds? What happened to the million people from the last rally?

Also, since it's Trump, can I assume that the "hundreds" he's talking about is a dozen people or so?
I honestly see some of these things that Trump writes, and truly wonder what's in his head. Lying, or crazy? That's a serious question for me. Even if he believes that there was voter fraud, which would not be a completely ridiculous allegation on its face, there's no way he could possibly believe it was a landslide. Well, there's one possible way. He could be insane.
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Old 21st November 2020, 03:06 PM   #2330
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Someone should tell 'em they ain't got the guts to do it.

Someone else should tell them that if Republicans get less than 20% of the vote, they legally have to throw the election out and the Georgia Senate has to select the U.S. Senators.

(Really, I don't advocate the latter, since there's enough misinformation out there. But I see no ethical issue with double dog daring them to boycott.)
That doesn't make sense. What difference does it make if the loser in an election receives 1 vote or a million? It's a runoff election. Doesn't just the candidate with the most votes win? You seem to be saying if the loser doesn't reach a certain threshold, the Georgia Senate decides?
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Old 21st November 2020, 03:07 PM   #2331
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Case dismissed.

Way too many precedents in law that would reject this including 150 years of elections where mail in ballots have been accepted.
This is completely a case of throwing the game board against the wall when it is obvious that you are losing.

Pre-schoolers do it. So do Republicans.
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Old 21st November 2020, 03:13 PM   #2332
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That doesn't make sense. What difference does it make if the loser in an election receives 1 vote or a million? It's a runoff election. Doesn't just the candidate with the most votes win? You seem to be saying if the loser doesn't reach a certain threshold, the Georgia Senate decides?
It doesn't have to make much sense, I figger. Never struck me that I had to make it sensible.

You do understand I was just talking about a lie for the easily duped, no?

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Old 21st November 2020, 03:16 PM   #2333
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This is completely a case of throwing the game board against the wall when it is obvious that you are losing.

Pre-schoolers do it. So do Republicans.
It really is.

Georgia of all places didn't expect to flip. They had successfully suppressed the vote there for 230 years. Mail in voting really changed that. Now the bigots are realizing this means they lost the power to prevent people of color and the working poor from voting. That terrifies them.
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Old 21st November 2020, 03:18 PM   #2334
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For anyone that doesn't know, the Betty Trump Twitter account was a parody (they said so themself) that Trump supposedly replied to. I'm not sure that reply wasn't from a staff member. We should keep that in mind. And Trump can't say so without admitting he has a ghost Tweet writer.
The fact that Donald would know his sister's name isn't Betty would support that idea. But then again, Donald is crazy so....
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Old 21st November 2020, 03:19 PM   #2335
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It doesn't have to make much sense, I figger. Never struck me that I had to make it sensible.
Doh! Now I feel dumb.
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Old 21st November 2020, 03:22 PM   #2336
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It really is.

Georgia of all places didn't expect to flip. They had successfully suppressed the vote there for 230 years. Mail in voting really changed that. Now the bigots are realizing this means they lost the power to prevent people of color and the working poor from voting. That terrifies them.
I like how they are calling Kemp a RINO.

I mean, this is the guy who used his role as Secretary of State to suppress the votes of black people in order to get himself elected governor.

You can't get much more Republican than that.
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Old 21st November 2020, 03:22 PM   #2337
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
Two PA GOP congressmen file suit to declare mail-in balloting unconstitutional.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020...EbGpx5IKQIk2Xs

So, where are our resident conservatives on this one. Hmmm? Anyone?
We are truly through the looking glass at this point. I think our societal problems go deeper than Trump himself. We have a sitting congressman who is perfectly disenfranchising his entire state in order to have a shot at getting his guy declared king president.

I don't mind recounts. I don't even mind losing candidates trying to make their case in court that they think something went wrong. However, some of these lawsuits, and this one in particular, seem to just be looking for a judge who will be willing to say that down is up and who cares about reality.

This is bad.
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Old 21st November 2020, 03:25 PM   #2338
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President Donald Trump supporters protesting the outcome of the 2020 election have a new and surprising opponent: the Republican Party.

A viral video of protesters, as well as posts on social media platform Parler, indicate that Trump supporters are looking to boycott the upcoming Georgia Senate runoff elections.
I say go for it, teach those naughty Republicans a lesson.
This is one of the times that being stupid might actually be a good thing for the country!
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Old 21st November 2020, 03:31 PM   #2339
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We are truly through the looking glass at this point. I think our societal problems go deeper than Trump himself. We have a sitting congressman who is perfectly disenfranchising his entire state in order to have a shot at getting his guy declared king president.

I don't mind recounts. I don't even mind losing candidates trying to make their case in court that they think something went wrong. However, some of these lawsuits, and this one in particular, seem to just be looking for a judge who will be willing to say that down is up and who cares about reality.

This is bad.
Oh, it's worse than bad and these GOP congressmen are too dense to figure that out. If Trump pulled this off, Congress would become totally irrelevant.
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Old 21st November 2020, 03:42 PM   #2340
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The fact that Donald would know his sister's name isn't Betty would support that idea. But then again, Donald is crazy so....

He has two sisters, Maryanne and Elizabeth.
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Old 21st November 2020, 03:48 PM   #2341
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The fact that Donald would know his sister's name isn't Betty would support that idea. But then again, Donald is crazy so....
Last I checked, one of his sisters was Elizabeth Trump. Betty is a common shortening for Elizabeth, so... the name criticism is probably unfounded, to put it nicely. There are other things that can be poked at there, but, in short, I'd put this one in the "doesn't matter but distracts from more important things" category.

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I like how they are calling Kemp a RINO.

I mean, this is the guy who used his role as Secretary of State to suppress the votes of black people in order to get himself elected governor.

You can't get much more Republican than that.
The list of Kemp's voting related antics is notably darker than that, regardless.

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We are truly through the looking glass at this point. I think our societal problems go deeper than Trump himself.
FWIW, quite a few of us have been saying that since Trump became President and similar things about how deep the problems go before then, just without Trump as the focus. Trump's Presidency has simply given lots more supporting evidence to work with.

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We have a sitting congressman who is perfectly disenfranchising his entire state in order to have a shot at getting his guy declared king president.
In a frivolous lawsuit that they fairly certainly believe has no chance of success at all. Red Meat for Trump's base, in other words, like all those doomed votes against the ACA. That it is being treated as red meat for Trump's base is a bit horrific, sure, but it's arguably not even an escalation from the current Republican normal. Of course, I still regard that storming of that closed door session related to impeachment with absurdly false basis to be a felony offense (or multiple for many of them if one includes the rest of what they did) for every single one of those Republican congressmen - including the one supposedly representing where I live. When Republican congressmen, in bulk, decide that it's okay to commit felonies for Trump as nothing more than a show of loyalty as they seek to defend a man they know committed serious crimes, there's really not much room left to defend them or the state of their party. That such was pretty much just a story for a moment, soon forgotten and never given proper weight is absurd. That I had even seen it downplayed in the MSM as a both sides issue with a comparison to a single Democratic Party member who simply stood outside a closed door session in protest, breaking no laws or the underlying principles in letter or spirit, was and is pretty much mind-bogglingly dishonest and enabling.
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I honestly see some of these things that Trump writes, and truly wonder what's in his head. Lying, or crazy? That's a serious question for me. Even if he believes that there was voter fraud, which would not be a completely ridiculous allegation on its face, there's no way he could possibly believe it was a landslide. Well, there's one possible way. He could be insane.
I think you have to assume that Trump is simply talking ******** (BS). This has been brought up a few times, but the idea is that BS is not simply lying, because a liar is concerned about the truth if only to conceal it. Trump is utterly indifferent to the truth. His BS is only in the service of what sounds good to him and what sounds good (in his mind) about him. It's the idea that constantly, vociferously, repetitively talking himself up pushes away all doubts or inconvenient facts.

He's probably similar to L.Ron Hubbard. I think some people wonder if he believed his own ********. Maybe at first he knew he was lying and it was all a clever ruse to make money, but it seems (from what I understand) that he eventually started to believe his own ********.

I think Trump is a ********ter in a similar vein to that of L Ron Hubbard, and his die-hard followers are basically a cult.
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What is FFIW?
ETA: I only remember Aridas using it.
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What is FFIW?
ETA: I only remember Aridas using it.
"For What It's Worth," generally. ETA: Well, that was the intent. You can count that as me messing up dumbly, if you want.
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"For What It's Worth," generally.
Yea, that's FWIW.

ETA: Didn't see second post. I noticed it before, but thought I was missing something. I wouldn't consider you even close to dumb
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And if they actually pay him, Giuliani is charging $20K a day for his performance.
Strange thought: Even for that, I wouldn't do it.

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Strange thought: Even for that, I wouldn't do it.

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Strange thought: Even for that, I wouldn't do it.

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He has two sisters, Maryanne and Elizabeth.
True, but she goes by Elizabeth, never Betty. Trump would know that.
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Trump playing golf in the midst of this crisis is the ultimate expression of confidence. The Left would love to see him holed up in a conference room, consumed with frustration and biting his finger nails. POTUS, by contrast, is playing it cool #Election2020results
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I think you have to assume that Trump is simply talking ******** (BS). This has been brought up a few times, but the idea is that BS is not simply lying, because a liar is concerned about the truth if only to conceal it. Trump is utterly indifferent to the truth. His BS is only in the service of what sounds good to him and what sounds good (in his mind) about him. It's the idea that constantly, vociferously, repetitively talking himself up pushes away all doubts or inconvenient facts.

He's probably similar to L.Ron Hubbard. I think some people wonder if he believed his own ********. Maybe at first he knew he was lying and it was all a clever ruse to make money, but it seems (from what I understand) that he eventually started to believe his own ********.

I think Trump is a ********ter in a similar vein to that of L Ron Hubbard, and his die-hard followers are basically a cult.
According to his niece, Mary, he does become delusional and begin to believe his own lies:

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I pressed her on this point. Does he lie (so much!) as a means to get what he wants and knows this is what he is doing—or is he delusional? “It’s a combination,” she said. “Is it just delusion or is it a tactic? I think it might start out as a tactic but it ends up being a delusion because his need to perpetuate a narrative about himself—a very specific narrative about himself as the winner, as always being right—is decades old. It’s a defense mechanism to protect him against the reality of who he really is…If he had any insight into that, I don’t know that he could bear it.”
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Dinesh D'Souza tweets

Trump playing golf in the midst of this crisis is the ultimate expression of confidence. The Left would love to see him holed up in a conference room, consumed with frustration and biting his finger nails. POTUS, by contrast, is playing it cool #Election2020results
Wow. The ultimate in whitewashing. Can you imagine if a Dem president were golfing in this situation?
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Case dismissed.

Way too many precedents in law that would reject this including 150 years of elections where mail in ballots have been accepted.
The complaint is that it is in violation of the Pennsylvania constitution, not the U.S. constitution. The argument is that the Pennsylvania constitution requires that voting be done in person except for certain specific circumstances outlined in the constitution where absentee voting is permitted.

A big problem here is that the constitution itself does not actually say that. It grants the legislature the authority to determine how elections are done. The constitution does specifically require that the legislature establish provisions to allow for absentee voting for some circumstances.

The first assertion is that the constitution requires in person voting because that is the way Pennsylvania courts have traditionally ruled. Unfortunately, the complaint does not cite any case law to support that assertion, making it rather difficult to evaluate the validity of the claim.

The second assertion is that the legislature previously obtained constitutional amendments before passing laws establishing and expanding absentee voting. Before the law was passed last year to allow no-excuse mail-in voting, there was a bill to put an amendment to the constitution on the ballot to require mail-in voting. That is has to be passed by a second legislative session next year and can then go on the November 2021 election ballot.

The assertion is that this demonstrates that the legislature had acknowledged that a constitutional amendment was required to allow no-excuse mail-in voting. But that appears to be false. It appears that the process used for absentee ballots and the proposed amendment for mail-in ballots was simply to make those forms of mailing be required, not because an amendment is a prerequisite to passing such laws.

And, of course, there is an issue with the timing of this filing. They had more than a year to object to the mail-in voting law prior to the election but chose not to do so until after the results of the election were known. Federal law requires states to conduct elections according to the laws in place on election days precisely for this reason.

If you want to meet the deadline for the guideline of filing a motion upholding the decision of the provisions that were written intently by the general assembly as indisputably constitutionally forbidden in the court of Pennsylvania…YOU’RE TOO LATE…because it juuuuuuuust passssssssed byyyyyyyy!
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Wow. The ultimate in whitewashing. Can you imagine if a Dem president were golfing in this situation?
There once was a conservative apologist on this board who would just about rend his shirt and dive for the fainting couch every time Obama went golfing, and often decried it as the most unpresidential th8ng evar. Especially if there was some minor event that FOX was blowing up into a disaster.

Funny he dropped out right around the Trump started his presidency and it quickly became obvious that Golfing was happening almost weekly.
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Rumor has it that Trump is planning on starring in a new TV series starting in Feburary titled:


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Dinesh D'Souza tweets

Trump playing golf in the midst of this crisis is the ultimate expression of confidence. The Left would love to see him holed up in a conference room, consumed with frustration and biting his finger nails. POTUS, by contrast, is playing it cool #Election2020results
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The complaint is that it is in violation of the Pennsylvania constitution, not the U.S. constitution. The argument is that the Pennsylvania constitution requires that voting be done in person except for certain specific circumstances outlined in the constitution where absentee voting is permitted.

A big problem here is that the constitution itself does not actually say that. It grants the legislature the authority to determine how elections are done. The constitution does specifically require that the legislature establish provisions to allow for absentee voting for some circumstances.

The first assertion is that the constitution requires in person voting because that is the way Pennsylvania courts have traditionally ruled. Unfortunately, the complaint does not cite any case law to support that assertion, making it rather difficult to evaluate the validity of the claim.

The second assertion is that the legislature previously obtained constitutional amendments before passing laws establishing and expanding absentee voting. Before the law was passed last year to allow no-excuse mail-in voting, there was a bill to put an amendment to the constitution on the ballot to require mail-in voting. That is has to be passed by a second legislative session next year and can then go on the November 2021 election ballot.

The assertion is that this demonstrates that the legislature had acknowledged that a constitutional amendment was required to allow no-excuse mail-in voting. But that appears to be false. It appears that the process used for absentee ballots and the proposed amendment for mail-in ballots was simply to make those forms of mailing be required, not because an amendment is a prerequisite to passing such laws.

And, of course, there is an issue with the timing of this filing. They had more than a year to object to the mail-in voting law prior to the election but chose not to do so until after the results of the election were known. Federal law requires states to conduct elections according to the laws in place on election days precisely for this reason.

If you want to meet the deadline for the guideline of filing a motion upholding the decision of the provisions that were written intently by the general assembly as indisputably constitutionally forbidden in the court of Pennsylvania…YOU’RE TOO LATE…because it juuuuuuuust passssssssed byyyyyyyy!
Thanks, of course they are arguing that it would be a violation of their state Constitution not the US Constitution. Still, their post hoc remedy would clearly be in violation of the ex post facto clause of the United States Constitution. Yeah it's too late.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Wow. The ultimate in whitewashing. Can you imagine if a Dem president were golfing in this situation?
You don't even need to imagine (the inevitable old Trump Tweet).
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Thanks, of course they are arguing that it would be a violation of their state Constitution not the US Constitution. Still, their post hoc remedy would clearly be in violation of the ex post facto clause of the United States Constitution. Yeah it's too late.
My hope is that this is not only dismissed, but the judge gives these clowns a full dressing-down of their “change the rules after we played the game” antics.
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