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Old 1st October 2020, 03:59 PM   #201
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One thing I find interesting in this case is there is no clear-cut good guy. The incident started with Rittenhouse doing a decent thing by confronting a group of (for want of a better term) goons who had lit the contents of a dumpster on fire and were rolling it somewhere. To a building, perhaps, in the hope the fire would spread there? Rittenhouse put out the fire and apparently was threatened with physical violence for doing so.

Had the story ended there he would likely have been seen as a helpful force in shutting down the violent part of the protest, which in my opinion was being done not by people with an axe against the establishment to grind, but by people wanting to do violent crap. Instead, he used his semiautomatic weapon to kill two people and now has become an example of what's wrong in the USA.
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Old 1st October 2020, 08:24 PM   #202
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QUOTE BlueMountain: "...in my opinion was being done not by people with an axe against the establishment to grind..."

In so many places, people DO have that feeling, they're grinding away left to right, from Antifa on across to AntiMaskers. Rebel (confederate) flags are antiEstablishment.

and Gaige G., the paramedic-hat-wearing guy with the handgun (intent on emptying the clip into Kyle's cranium) is a self-avowed member of a Milwaukee-based social justice group called the People’s Revolution Movement, which kinda has an axe against the establishment to grind...

QUOTE BlueMountain: "...now has become an example of what's wrong in the USA...."

Or, as many have pointed out, he is what is absolutely right, using his clear militia status to rectify a situation that needed rectifying. He was not the United States National Guard! (which arrived like the calvary, too late for Kenosha). His handling of that weapon in those streets was nothing short of astonishing, even after it jammed, as he cleared the malfunction, and still kept everyone of those running attackers at bay in "fight round two" as he sat in the middle of the street.
His ability to stand up from that seated position, review the scene for further threats, and go home, is a valuable example of good firearms training being worthwhile, for sure.

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Old 1st October 2020, 11:37 PM   #203
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Originally Posted by webfusion View Post
QUOTE BlueMountain: "...in my opinion was being done not by people with an axe against the establishment to grind..."

In so many places, people DO have that feeling, they're grinding away left to right, from Antifa on across to AntiMaskers. Rebel (confederate) flags are antiEstablishment.

and Gaige G., the paramedic-hat-wearing guy with the handgun (intent on emptying the clip into Kyle's cranium) is a self-avowed member of a Milwaukee-based social justice group called the People’s Revolution Movement, which kinda has an axe against the establishment to grind...

QUOTE BlueMountain: "...now has become an example of what's wrong in the USA...."

Or, as many have pointed out, he is what is absolutely right, using his clear militia status to rectify a situation that needed rectifying. He was not the United States National Guard! (which arrived like the calvary, too late for Kenosha). His handling of that weapon in those streets was nothing short of astonishing, even after it jammed, as he cleared the malfunction, and still kept everyone of those running attackers at bay in "fight round two" as he sat in the middle of the street.
His ability to stand up from that seated position, review the scene for further threats, and go home, is a valuable example of good firearms training being worthwhile, for sure.
Please clarify this I could use the laugh.
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Old 2nd October 2020, 05:11 AM   #204
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"Well-regulated Militia" is enshrined within the US Constitution, Bill of Rights.
In the time of the Revolution, it meant "well-organized, well-armed, well-disciplined" (not legally Regulated, as we use the term today)
10 U.S. Code § 246 defines the 2 classifications as "members of National Guard and the Naval Militia" and "the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia."

And then, there are the Federalist papers, providing context and background to the term "militia"
“The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

It so happens that NFAC is also clearly considered a militia. Laugh all you want.

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Old 2nd October 2020, 06:43 AM   #205
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Yeah, I mean how dare they say things like this:
It isn't the content. It is the context.
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Old 2nd October 2020, 07:44 PM   #206
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Originally Posted by webfusion View Post
"Well-regulated Militia" is enshrined within the US Constitution, Bill of Rights.
In the time of the Revolution, it meant "well-organized, well-armed, well-disciplined" (not legally Regulated, as we use the term today)
10 U.S. Code § 246 defines the 2 classifications as "members of National Guard and the Naval Militia" and "the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia."

And then, there are the Federalist papers, providing context and background to the term "militia"
“The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

It so happens that NFAC is also clearly considered a militia. Laugh all you want.
Your boy Kyle is doing some time.
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Old 3rd October 2020, 01:52 PM   #207
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He is being charged as an adult, so he's not anyone'e boy.

And fer sure he ain't JoJo's N*gga'. ("Shoot me, n*gga, shoot me..." was the warcry of one Joseph Rosenbaum, whose actions that fateful night led to all that followed)

Time, indeed. And he might even end up being put on trial one day, in this case.
At this point, he is just slogging through the process of fighting extradition.
While playing pinochle in the juvie center.
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Originally Posted by webfusion View Post
"Well-regulated Militia" is enshrined within the US Constitution, Bill of Rights.
In the time of the Revolution, it meant "well-organized, well-armed, well-disciplined" (not legally Regulated, as we use the term today)
10 U.S. Code § 246 defines the 2 classifications as "members of National Guard and the Naval Militia" and "the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia."

And then, there are the Federalist papers, providing context and background to the term "militia"
“The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

It so happens that NFAC is also clearly considered a militia. Laugh all you want.

I'm curious what you think this means in this context. Do you think Rittenhouse claiming to be a member of a "militia" would give him a special legal defense to the crimes he is accused of?

For example, do you think claiming militia status would be a defense against the charge concerning unlawful possession of a dangerous weapon by a minor?

Seems that Rittenhouse has far too much on the line here, namely the prospect of life in prison, to go chasing after harebrained legal strategies. If his lawyers aren't total charlatans, they won't bring any such legal theories into the court room.

Seems overwhelming likely that Rittenhouse's best defense will be a very ordinary one. He will claim self defense, not that he was a "militiaman".
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Old 5th October 2020, 08:46 AM   #209
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
I'm curious what you think this means in this context. Do you think Rittenhouse claiming to be a member of a "militia" would give him a special legal defense to the crimes he is accused of?

For example, do you think claiming militia status would be a defense against the charge concerning unlawful possession of a dangerous weapon by a minor?

Seems that Rittenhouse has far too much on the line here, namely the prospect of life in prison, to go chasing after harebrained legal strategies. If his lawyers aren't total charlatans, they won't bring any such legal theories into the court room.

Seems overwhelming likely that Rittenhouse's best defense will be a very ordinary one. He will claim self defense, not that he was a "militiaman".
Disagreed. He will say that since he carried a first aid kit and fire extinguisher, as well as a high powered rifle, that he appointed himself the Hammer of God, member in good standing of Team Cap, and not having signed the Sokovia Accords, is exempt from punishment.

Can't lose, precedent-wise. The Superhero Defense goes back to Superman in the 1940s. He'll walk. Or maybe fly.
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Old 5th October 2020, 02:14 PM   #210
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He is not claiming to be part of a militia.
Kyle was part of a militia, just as these armed NFAC fellows are not claiming to be militia, they just ARE militia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wExadENeqUk

Just keep in mind one thing, the misdemeanor charge may not even stick, as it is codified in Federal law for 17-year-olds to be part of a militia. (and the WI state statutes don't even seem to support such a charge, as Kyle is OK to carry a long gun, at 17)

Calling the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution "harebrained" is kinda stretching it.

Kyle was part of the solution to those riots.
Kenosha is now quiet, and Antifa has moved on to other venues to scream and rage against their fellow Americans who they and they alone deem fascists.
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Old 5th October 2020, 02:23 PM   #211
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My objection to Captain Kyle is the choice of a projectile weapon. A real sociopath uses a bladed or bludgeoning wrapon. It's more satisfying and personal. These sniveling firearm-wielding murderers are just tacky.

Embrace your hatred for other people, Kyle supporters. Just man up and get your hands dirty. You'll thank me later.
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Old 5th October 2020, 02:41 PM   #212
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I saw no hatred towards anyone displayed by Kyle Rittenhouse in any of the videos.

I saw PLENTY of hatred displayed by others, especially as we got a glimpse of the general nasty attitude by the REAL sociopath JoJo (That day, Aug. 25, Joseph Rosenbaum was discharged from a Milwaukee hospital following his second suicide attempt in as many months and dumped on the streets of Kenosha); then Huber going along with the urging of the mob to "cranium him" by bludgeoning Kyle's head with skateboard trucks (which attempt failed, miserably and fatally for the late Mr Huber).; and lastly, the "Paramedic" hat-wearing self-proclaimed seditionist who was about to empty his pistol into Kyle's face (and got stopped, by a sniveling man who was not going to go quietly along with the deadly plans of these protagonists).
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Originally Posted by webfusion View Post
I saw no hatred towards anyone displayed by Kyle Rittenhouse in any of the videos.

I saw PLENTY of hatred displayed by others, especially as we got a glimpse of the general nasty attitude by the REAL sociopath JoJo (That day, Aug. 25, Joseph Rosenbaum was discharged from a Milwaukee hospital following his second suicide attempt in as many months and dumped on the streets of Kenosha)
Are you saying Ky-Ky killed a mentally ill person, perhaps in the throes of suicidal depression? Man, that's cold. Ky-Ky is not very empathetic. Two more sociopath points awarded to him.

Doesn't matter though. Ky-Ky got his ASPD badge when he grabbed a rifle and flipped off the police to declare himself judge, jury and executioner in Kenosha. The police said 'stay off the streets', and Ky-Ky said 'FU, I am the Law tonight'.

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... then Huber going along with the urging of the mob to "cranium him" by bludgeoning Kyle's head with skateboard trucks (which attempt failed, miserably and fatally for the late Mr Huber).; and lastly, the "Paramedic" hat-wearing self-proclaimed seditionist who was about to empty his pistol into Kyle's face (and got stopped, by a sniveling man who was not going to go quietly along with the deadly plans of these protagonists).
Yeah, when a murderer is loose on the streets, things sure get messy fast. I wonder if Rittenhouse had decided not to go out for his armed stroll, if everyone would be alive? Excepting a burned out dumpster and such, was this Demon Mob killing people? No, just Ky-Ky? Hm. Seems the mob only tried to discourage the lone killer.
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"Are you saying Ky-Ky killed a mentally ill person, perhaps in the throes of suicidal depression?" -- Apparently so, yes.
Could Kyle have known this information about Mr. Rosenbaum? No.
Just as he could not have known anything about the criminal pasts of Mr Huber and Mr. Grosskreutz.

Kyle had one thing and one thing of concern -- to prevent anyone getting ahold of his weapon and turning it on him. Perhaps he could have mounted a bayonet, which perhaps might have led to more circumspect reaction by these people who went in so close and grabbed the weapon & tried to take the gun away.

Then, instead of bullet wounds, they may have died from stab wounds. (Thermal's preferred option)
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Oo! Oo! Oo! Ya know how Kyle could've effectively stopped anyone from grabbing his rifle?

Leave it the **** at home instead of waltzing it out into another State's riot.

Less psycho fun, but actually obeying the Law.

Eta: also not my preferred. If (g)you are so bent on defying police orders and taking human life, be less passive about it.
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Oo! Oo! Oo! Ya know how Kyle could've effectively stopped anyone from grabbing his rifle?

Leave it the **** at home instead of waltzing it out into another State's riot.

Less psycho fun, but actually obeying the Law.
AFAIK, he did not take that AR15 from his home. The ownership and transfer of that weapon is still an open detail that will eventually be disclosed.
The POINT of being armed as part of a well-regulated militia is to INTERVENE and go into harms' way when the public peace and security is broken -- as it was in Kenosha.

Not everything in society is resolvable by the Police.
If BLM has taught us nothing else, it is this lesson.

We know that people go to these protests with weapons, you understand that, right?
Your WayBack machine is not useful here. He made an educated decision to travel 20 minutes and get involved in Kenosha. His presence turned out to be the catalyst that ended the rioting. He had not gone there to shoot anyone, but he was trained, prepared, and willing to protect his own life, and that mission was successful.

Thermal, I have to ask -- have you ever fired a gun? Handled one?
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AFAIK, he did not take that AR15 from his home. The ownership and transfer of that weapon is still an open detail that will eventually be disclosed.
The POINT of being armed as part of a well-regulated militia is to INTERVENE and go into harms' way when the public peace and security is broken -- as it was in Kenosha.

Not everything in society is resolvable by the Police.
If BLM has taught us nothing else, it is this lesson.

We know that people go to these protests with weapons, you understand that, right?
Your WayBack machine is not useful here. He made an educated decision to travel 20 minutes and get involved in Kenosha. His presence turned out to be the catalyst that ended the rioting. He had not gone there to shoot anyone, but he was trained, prepared, and willing to protect his own life, and that mission was successful.

Thermal, I have to ask -- have you ever fired a gun? Handled one?
Why yes, yes I have. Grew up hunting whitetail deer with a 12 gauge in the NJ Pines. Still have my NJ firearms card because one of my kids and a nephew have shown a responsible interest in sport shooting and I shall be their guide in safe handling.

I have to ask, why do you have to ask?
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AFAIK, he did not take that AR15 from his home. The ownership and transfer of that weapon is still an open detail that will eventually be disclosed.
The POINT of being armed as part of a well-regulated militia is to INTERVENE and go into harms' way when the public peace and security is broken -- as it was in Kenosha.

Not everything in society is resolvable by the Police.
If BLM has taught us nothing else, it is this lesson.

We know that people go to these protests with weapons, you understand that, right?
Your WayBack machine is not useful here. He made an educated decision to travel 20 minutes and get involved in Kenosha. His presence turned out to be the catalyst that ended the rioting. He had not gone there to shoot anyone, but he was trained, prepared, and willing to protect his own life, and that mission was successful.

Thermal, I have to ask -- have you ever fired a gun? Handled one?
What am I? Chopped liver?

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The footage, which was given to Carlson by a nonprofit group run by Rittenhouse's defamation attorney, Lin Wood, showed Rittenhouse before the riots began that night...

He (Rittenhouse) also told the interviewer that he would be arming himself with his gun and a first-aid kit to be able to provide medical attention to those who would be injured in the riots.
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I ask because you seem to be against guns, in general.

Not all uses of weaponry involve whitetail deer or 'sport shooting' ---- some other uses of deadly weapons include protection of ones' own life, or being necessary to the security of a free state.

Kenosha was in the throes of INSECURITY and 'well-regulated' citizens stepped into the breach.
I can assure you, there will be more of that to come.
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
What am I? Chopped liver?
Chopped is better than shot, by my reasoning.
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What am I? Chopped liver?
You were addressed earlier, when you asked for a good laugh.
Was my reply insufficiently funny regarding the applicability of the US Constitution?

We know next to nothing regarding the provenance of the rifle.
His statement to the reporter was shorthand ---- "I have my gun..." (he is in possession of it and has command and control of it and as such, it's "his" at that point). My take, FWIW.
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I ask because you seem to be against guns, in general.
I am against killing mother *******, using guns. There is a rather large difference.

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Not all uses of weaponry involve whitetail deer or 'sport shooting' ---- some other uses of deadly weapons include protection of ones' own life, or being necessary to the security of a free state.
And murdering like a sniveling coward. You forgot murdering like a sniveling coward. Which accounts for (after suicide) the largest use of non-hunting/sport application of guns.

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Kenosha was in the throes of INSECURITY and 'well-regulated' citizens stepped into the breach.
I can assure you, there will be more of that to come.
No doubt. People get more cowardly by the day. Stand back and pull a trigger, and feel like God. Not a trait of people I hold in high esteem.

The rioters were killing no one. Kyle was. I sincerely hope a lot of these wannabe Captain Americas will look at Ky-Ky and pursue another Avenue to finding their personal feeling of power. Maybe needlepoint?
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*snip* "The rioters were killing no one..."

Not for lack of trying.

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*snip* "The rioters were killing no one..."

Not for lack of trying.

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Originally Posted by webfusion View Post
*snip* "The rioters were killing no one..."

Not for lack of trying.

https://usadailyexpress.com/wp-conte...cond-night.gif
Snipping everything of consequence, indeed.

So the rioters were trying to kill in those cars? Did they lock people in them or something? Or do ya think maybe they were trying to do heavy vandalism and arson? I think they were trying to do heavy vandalism and arson.

(G)You are not the Law. We have pros we hired for that. Ky-Ky was not the Law, either. And contrary to your bald claim, he was not trained in anything relevant to riot policing. He was childishly unprepared and people ended up dead. No bueno.
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Corporate cars? Citizens United is expanding
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Riots and burning property and 'street justice' are all part of the toxic atmosphere that has many citizens concerned not only for their homes and businesses, but literally, for their lives.
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Old 5th October 2020, 05:08 PM   #228
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Old 5th October 2020, 05:16 PM   #229
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Riots and burning property and 'street justice' are all part of the toxic atmosphere that has many citizens concerned not only for their homes and businesses, but literally, for their lives.
Good. They should be concerned for their property and their lives. It would be pretty Buddhist monk of them not to be. Doesn't mean they should wantonly take other's lives.

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Damn, if only Kyle was there to grease them. Or a bystander. Or an unintended target a half a ******* mile away because the little bitch was firing blind and had no idea what he was doing.

Sorry webfusion. While yours truly is a huge fan of self defense, killing mother ******* needs to be an option much farther down the list than Captain Kyle and his Kindred Cowards place it.
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Old 5th October 2020, 05:25 PM   #230
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The phrase "well-regulated" has nothing to do with legal regulations or lawful orders.

It means "well-organized, well-armed, well-disciplined" and in good shape to deploy their force as required to engage their firepower for the common good.

Ask NFAC. I'm sure they would agree.
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Old 5th October 2020, 05:30 PM   #231
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By the way, Thermal, in the streets of Kenosha, Kyle Rittenhouse didn't "wantonly" take anyone's life.
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What part of the second amendment makes it lawful for private militia?

A private militia isn't a thing. It's unlawful in all 50 states. No lawful authority called for a militia in Kenosha, except perhaps the calling in of the National Guard, and nobody deputized a 17 year old to patrol the streets as part of a militia. A militia operating the endorsement of some lawful authority is an oxymoron. That's not a militia, it's simply a band of gunmen with no special authority.

You don't think this is a harebrained legal theory? Do you actually think that Kyle's attorney will offer a defense rooted in the idea that Kyle was participating in a self-appointed militia? Will you be surprised if a militia based defense, relying on this interpretation of 2A, does not make an appearance in the court room?
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Originally Posted by webfusion View Post
The phrase "well-regulated" has nothing to do with legal regulations or lawful orders.

It means "well-organized, well-armed, well-disciplined" and in good shape to deploy their force as required to engage their firepower for the common good.

Ask NFAC. I'm sure they would agree.
"Well-organized, well-armed, well-disciplined, and in good shape to deploy their force as required to engage their firepower for the common good" by whose set of standards?

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Old 5th October 2020, 05:58 PM   #234
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From the US constitution:

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Article I, Section 8, Clause 16:

[The Congress shall have Power . . .] To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; . . .
A militia not organized by the state is not a milita. Kyle was not in a militia. There are words for privately organized groups of armed men operating outside of lawful recognition, such as vigilantes, gangs, bandits, etc.

This is beyond idiotic. Kyle's attorneys are throwing red meat to 2A morons, but I very much doubt they are going to commit legal malpractice by actually trying to introduce this is in a criminal trial. Don't be a sucker.
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Ahhh, there's the rub.

NOBODY in Goverment can make a law that prohibits the citizenry of being armed, and organizing into their own militias.

This is the entire message of 2A.
There doesn't NEED to be ANY 'special authority' at all.
The Amendment was added because the LAST thing the ex-British subjects wanted was a new government acting tyrannically, and the Amendment placed this power of being armed into MY and YOUR hands.

The 3rd Amendment also kinda addresses this.

NFAC decides what they need to do to "protect" their fellow citizens from the ravages of far-rightists (i.e. -- white supremacists for want of a better term) and on the flip side, (i.e. - Kenosha Guard) rightists take it upon themselves to 'stand by' during violence initiated by the "burn it ALL down" leftist mobs.


Ideally, the common good is evident and We, The People have to take things into our own hands to stop threats to our Security and Freedoms.

Right now, the Left says that the Right is that threat.
While the Right says the Left is that threat.

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Ahhh, there's the rub.

NOBODY in Goverment can make a law that prohibits the citizenry of being armed, and organizing into their own militias.

This is the entire message of 2A.
There doesn't NEED to be ANY 'special authority' at all.
The Amendment was added because the LAST thing the ex-British subjects wanted was a new government acting tyrannically, and the Amendment placed this power of being armed into MY and YOUR hands.

The 3rd Amendment also kinda addresses this.

NFAC decides what they need to do to "protect" their fellow citizens from the ravages of far-rightists (i.e. -- white supremacists for want of a better term) and on the flip side, (i.e. - Kenosha Guard) rightists take it upon themselves to 'stand by' during violence initiated by the "burn it ALL down" leftist mobs.


Ideally, the common good is evident and We, The People have to take things into our own hands to stop threats to our Security and Freedoms.

Right now, the Left says that the Right is that threat.
While the Right says the Left is that threat.
Indeed, and people that get together of their own volition for the purposes of being an armed mob have no special legal protections. Many states allow people to openly carry weapons, but claiming you're a militia because you joined some facebook group doesn't make it so. NFAC, III%ers, and Kyle's Kenosha Gang all remain unrecognized organizations by the state and have no special exemption to following the ordinary law.

This is the trials and errors subthread. Whatever you may feel about the inherent rights of man or whatever is largely irrelevant. "Militia status" isn't a legal defense that Kyle can realistically hope to make and have any success. Kyle's attorneys will likely try to claim, perhaps successfully, that ambiguities in the law about carrying a firearm while underage make it unjust to find him guilty. They will likely claim that he was using lawful self defense against his unarmed attackers. They will not, if they have any brains and ethics, claim he was a militia member.

If his attorney attempts a novel "militia defense" in court it may be grounds for an "inadequate representation" appeal, because it's such obvious legal malpractice that it probably constitutes a lack of a fair trial for the accused.
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The idea that he was part of a militia is only offered because he WAS engaged in a practical application of providing an armed presence "being necessary to the security of a free state."
I am not trying to drag 2A into the Rittenhouse court case.
It's only part of this conversation because some have noted "He shouldn't have been there... armed at 17" and I feel he had a 2A right/obligation to be there. Not as a legal defense, but as a matter of "OK, so here we are... he WAS armed and ultimately he needed to prevent his rifle being turned around AT him."

THAT is the case, as I see it.
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The idea that he was part of a militia is only offered because he WAS engaged in a practical application of providing an armed presence "being necessary to the security of a free state."
I am not trying to drag 2A into the Rittenhouse court case.
It's only part of this conversation because some have noted "He shouldn't have been there... armed at 17" and I feel he had a 2A right/obligation to be there. Not as a legal defense, but as a matter of "OK, so here we are... he WAS armed and ultimately he needed to prevent his rifle being turned around AT him."

THAT is the case, as I see it.
Perhaps you're in the wrong thread then. Whether or not you think 17 year olds using rifles to protect property is a positive development for society is largely irrelevant to whether Rittenhouse is going to be convicted of murder and spend his entire adult life in prison.
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The idea that he was part of a militia is only offered because he WAS engaged in a practical application of providing an armed presence "being necessary to the security of a free state."
I am not trying to drag 2A into the Rittenhouse court case.
It's only part of this conversation because some have noted "He shouldn't have been there... armed at 17" and I feel he had a 2A right/obligation to be there. Not as a legal defense, but as a matter of "OK, so here we are... he WAS armed and ultimately he needed to prevent his rifle being turned around AT him."

THAT is the case, as I see it.

Ahhhh... so this is some pseudo-gun nut post hoc justification masquerading as a burrito?
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Perhaps you're in the wrong thread then. Whether or not you think 17 year olds using rifles to protect property is a positive development for society is largely irrelevant to whether Rittenhouse is going to be convicted of murder and spend his entire adult life in prison.
As things stand today, he has not yet been arraigned in front of a judge on any specific charges.
Just an open arrest warrant from Wisconsin, but Kyle is not in Wisconsin.
In Illinois, he is only charged with being a fugitive from justice.
And then, there's the writ of habeus corpus.
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