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Old 13th November 2020, 09:21 AM   #241
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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy View Post
I don't want to see him playing nice with Mitch McConnell because Mitch McConnell is a proven snake with a history of promising absolutely anything when he needs bipartisan cooperation before stabbing Dems in the back first chance he gets. Am I a Bernie Bro or do I hate America?


Unfortunately, if the Georgia Senate run-off elections go to the Republicans, Biden will have to "play nice" with Moscow Mitch.

Of course, based on MM's track record, "playing nice" should consist of any deal being predicated on the "You go first, Mitch" principle. Get what you want from him first, then give him what he wants after.

The only other option is to just accept that nothing will get done.
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Old 13th November 2020, 09:24 AM   #242
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Biden's base is shaky, but Mitch no longer has a base without Trump.
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Old 13th November 2020, 10:53 AM   #243
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets View Post
"My niece represents what all liberals think". Good to know.

Or are you saying she doesn't? In which case what relevance does this have?
Does the fringiest fringe on the left represent all liberals, in your opinion? If not, then your post is irrelevant.
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Old 13th November 2020, 10:54 AM   #244
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets View Post
You may ask, why does this behavior seem mostly limited to conservatives and not liberals? The reason is deep-seated psychological differences between the conservative and liberal mind. Conservatives can't handle change, so they have to deny that it is sometimes necessary. Liberals are more open to change and can see its advantages.
Translation: We are good, they are bad. We are smart, they are dumb. We are nice, they are mean. We are superior, they are inferior.
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Old 13th November 2020, 10:59 AM   #245
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
Translation: We are good, they are bad. We are smart, they are dumb. We are nice, they are mean. We are superior, they are inferior.
Translation: I have no desire to actually look at facts or acknowledge reality and instead will continue to adhere to an irrational need to balance the scales.
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Old 13th November 2020, 11:03 AM   #246
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
Does the fringiest fringe on the left represent all liberals, in your opinion? If not, then your post is irrelevant.
No one is talking about the “fringiest fringe” of the right. We’re talking about mainstream Republicansim.

That you constantly attempt these desperately false equivalencies only reveals the utter dishonesty of your approach.
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Old 13th November 2020, 11:13 AM   #247
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
No one is talking about the “fringiest fringe” of the right. We’re talking about mainstream Republicansim.

That you constantly attempt these desperately false equivalencies only reveals the utter dishonesty of your approach.

Well, I would hold that the "fringiest fringe" of the right pretty much is mainstream Republican.
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Old 13th November 2020, 11:19 AM   #248
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
No one is talking about the “fringiest fringe” of the right. We’re talking about mainstream Republicansim.

That you constantly attempt these desperately false equivalencies only reveals the utter dishonesty of your approach.
Nobody is talking about the fringiest fringe... except for those of us who were literally talking about the fringiest fringe.

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The fringiest fringe on the left won't vote for the mainstream candidate.

The fringiest fringe on the right chants "Jews will not replace us," drives cars into protest crowds, and is gearing up for the coming race war.
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Are you saying your niece isn't the fringiest fringe on the left just for refusing to vote for Biden, or are you saying your niece would carve a MAGA sign into people's foreheads? Because you said the former, but now you're suggesting I'm supposed to have perceived the latter.
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My niece has a lot of very fringy ideas, including accelerationism of civil war by any means in order to get the grand revolution and convert (by force) the country into a communist utopia.
If you insist on continuing to engage in personal attacks, at least make sure you are accurate in your references.
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Old 13th November 2020, 01:09 PM   #249
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
Translation: We are good, they are bad. We are smart, they are dumb. We are nice, they are mean. We are superior, they are inferior.
Okay fine it's "mean" but at a certain point if you're factually wrong about everything and psychopathically evil about everything else what are we supposed to call it? Your "no one side just isn't allowed to be that wrong, it's not fair" fetish is so much meaningless twaddle.

Why is it so often that it seems like the Trumper's main strategy is to actually be so horrible that just describing them triggers people's "Oh they can't be that bad, you're being mean" routine?

No I'm not playing the stupid, inane "No wait I demand you stop and define the exact ratio of Trump supporters you think meet this criteria" game that both sides want to play. I don't care about mathematically defining some fringe to mainstream ratio.

Enough. That's my answer. Enough. It's not worth it in trying to save the babies in this particular bathwater anymore. If a few can crawl out on their own, so be it. Maybe we can work with them later. But they have to make the first move. The onus isn't on us.
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Old 13th November 2020, 03:03 PM   #250
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
Translation: We are good, they are bad. We are smart, they are dumb. We are nice, they are mean. We are superior, they are inferior.
Both sides are bad, dumb and mean. We are superior to both sides?

There are many people believing things that are objectively false - and they vote in large numbers. Trying to analyze what makes them do that at a psychological level isn't trying to demonize people, it's trying to understand them. If we're looking to improve messaging and policy and try to heal divides, that seems like a pretty good start to me.
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Old 13th November 2020, 03:34 PM   #251
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Both sides are bad, dumb and mean. We are superior to both sides?
Nah. Both sides have a mix of good and bad, about widely diverse topics, and neither is superior to the other in general. But partisans of either will insist that whichever "we" they belong to is far better then the "they" of the other side.
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Old 13th November 2020, 03:46 PM   #252
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Again, when I hear someone claiming that "both sides are equally bad", I see someone supporting side that has most, if not all, blame. This kind of claim is never sincere.
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Old 13th November 2020, 04:22 PM   #253
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
Nah. Both sides have a mix of good and bad, about widely diverse topics, and neither is superior to the other in general. But partisans of either will insist that whichever "we" they belong to is far better then the "they" of the other side.
I feel that this was a more true statement back in the days of shared facts.
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Old 13th November 2020, 05:38 PM   #254
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Why are we being talked to like Trump supporters have extended some olive branch we've slapped away?

The only difference is one of the balance of power. They haven't recanted their "**** your feelings and crawl back to your safe place before I drink your tears snowflake" mentality to my knowledge.

"I want things to be more civil because I don't have the high ground anymore and know I'm scared" isn't compromise.
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Old 13th November 2020, 06:57 PM   #255
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Agreed! I also agree with the posters pointing out that discrimination based on political opinions is quite a different category from racism. But I can also understand how a generalization of Trump supporters looks like prejudice.

Genuine question about the quote in your sig (and apologies if you've covered this elsewhere): So, that's from a statement written for Trump to read after he got into hot water from his comments after Charlotsville. It was a good statement and I think we'd all agree with the bulk of it. Do you believe that it actually represents Trump's real opinion, considering some of the other stuff he's said when not scripted? For example, his comments on racehorse theory from his Bemidji rally in September (audience made up mostly of Scandy/German descendants) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_PqlMfq6lU. To be honest, I was horrified.
Where did this demographic on the attendance come from?

As far as the "genes" conversation. You may not be aware that in the US the frontier was settled by tough individuals. These people endured much hardship to settle this Country. Those that were not able to endure, died. Survival of the fittest. Seems horrible by today's standards but back then it was a matter of fact. Many of the descendants of those people are proud of their heritage. It has nothing to do with anything nefarious.

So far it looks as if Trump received approx 12% of the Black vote and possibly over 20% support in real numbers.
In specific areas of Miami Dade county FL, he reportedly received 52% of the Hispanic vote. For a racist?

Overall I would say the argument for Trump being a racist has been exposed as a false claim by the 2020 results. But that's no surprise. The next Republican candidate will be called "racist" as well. It happens every single time.
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Old 13th November 2020, 07:02 PM   #256
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Originally Posted by Mader Levap View Post
Again, when I hear someone claiming that "both sides are equally bad", I see someone supporting side that has most, if not all, blame. This kind of claim is never sincere.

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Why are we being talked to like Trump supporters have extended some olive branch we've slapped away?

The only difference is one of the balance of power. They haven't recanted their "**** your feelings and crawl back to your safe place before I drink your tears snowflake" mentality to my knowledge.

"I want things to be more civil because I don't have the high ground anymore and know I'm scared" isn't compromise.
Funny. I don't think you'll find any "scared" Trump supporters. We tend to stand by our beliefs. As President Trump has proven there's not much the Democrats can do in 8 years that can't be undone by a Republican in 4.
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Funny. I don't think you'll find any "scared" Trump supporters. We tend to stand by our beliefs. As President Trump has proven there's not much the Democrats can do in 8 years that can't be undone by a Republican in 4.
Mitch McConnell: "ahem.."
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
Where did this demographic on the attendance come from?
I live in Minnesota. Those are the demographics of the region. (linky)

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
As far as the "genes" conversation. You may not be aware that in the US the frontier was settled by tough individuals. These people endured much hardship to settle this Country. Those that were not able to endure, died. Survival of the fittest. Seems horrible by today's standards but back then it was a matter of fact. Many of the descendants of those people are proud of their heritage. It has nothing to do with anything nefarious.
I'm going to take this in good faith and just say "astonishing!" - and forever use this post as the best example of denialism I've ever seen.

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So far it looks as if Trump received approx 12% of the Black vote and possibly over 20% support in real numbers.
In specific areas of Miami Dade county FL, he reportedly received 52% of the Hispanic vote. For a racist?

Overall I would say the argument for Trump being a racist has been exposed as a false claim by the 2020 results. But that's no surprise. The next Republican candidate will be called "racist" as well. It happens every single time.
I don't find this line of argument convincing and if I did, I wouldn't find the statistics to be convincing either.
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Nobody is talking about the fringiest fringe... except for those of us who were literally talking about the fringiest fringe.
Except no, you’re not.

You’re trying to compare how the fringe left behaves to how the mainstream right behaves.

It’s a ridiculously dishonest tactic.

We all see you doing it and no one is falling for it.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Why are we being talked to like Trump supporters have extended some olive branch we've slapped away?
Have you considered that perhaps those of us suggesting some kind of grown-up approach don't give a crap what Trump supporters do? And that maybe, just maybe, we don't want to deal with this Hatfield-McCoy feud-like petty vengeance approach to the politics that affect our lives?
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Except no, you’re not.

You’re trying to compare how the fringe left behaves to how the mainstream right behaves.
Lol. If you think the mainstream right chants "Jews will not replace us" and drives cars into rallies, then I can only infer that you're rather fringy yourself.

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It’s a ridiculously dishonest tactic.

We all see you doing it and no one is falling for it.
Nice to know that you've managed to read everyone's mind, and can speak authoritatively for what everyone else perceives. You should definitely apply for that $1,000,000 prize.

Your inability to view things with even a tiny modicum of objectivity doesn't make anyone else dishonest.
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Lol. If you think the mainstream right chants "Jews will not replace us" and drives cars into rallies, then I can only infer that you're rather fringy yourself.
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Yea they just view mexicans as rapists. That is mainstream at least right, otherwise if it was racist then Trump would be saying racist things and they would be supporting him in spite of that racism for some vaguely defined self interest you refuse to expand upon.
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Lol. If you think the mainstream right chants "Jews will not replace us" and drives cars into rallies, then I can only infer that you're rather fringy yourself.
The mainstream right is everything the president says and does that gets enabled by the GOP and approved of by millions of Republican voters.

That includes his bigotry, his violent rhetoric, his promotion of conspiracy theories, and takes us all the way up to his current efforts to undermine the democratic process.

There is simply nothing that happens within the mainstream left that even remotely compares, which is why dishonest bothsiders have to manufacture false equivalencies like you so frequently do.


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Nice to know that you've managed to read everyone's mind, and can speak authoritatively for what everyone else perceives. You should definitely apply for that $1,000,000 prize.

Your inability to view things with even a tiny modicum of objectivity doesn't make anyone else dishonest.
Here’s you making a false claim about violent political rhetoric and your eventual retraction when it was revealed that you made the claim in ignorance of all the facts:
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I don't take the side of any of them. And if you took a moment to look around, you would perhaps recognize that the only people on ISF who routinely advocate for violence are all people who consider themselves progressive leftists.
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Fair point.

Allow me to amend that to say that that the only people on ISF whose posts I see who routinely advocate for violence are all people who consider themselves progressive leftists.

Lecture me more about objectivity.
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Mueller libs need to pull their heads out of fantasy land for a minute.

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They said he has specifically told advisers that he is wary of federal tax investigations of Trump or of challenging any orders Trump may issue granting immunity to members of his staff before he leaves office. One adviser said Biden has made it clear that he "just wants to move on."

Another Biden adviser said, "He's going to be more oriented toward fixing the problems and moving forward than prosecuting them."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...s-say-n1247959

The Democratic party and political cowardice, name a more iconic duo.
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Mueller libs need to pull their heads out of fantasy land for a minute.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...s-say-n1247959

The Democratic party and political cowardice, name a more iconic duo.
That was surely always going to be the public face of it. Biden can't do anything that remotely looks like using the justice system to go after political enemies, especially after the way the current administration has carried it self in that regard. He needs to separate himself from any such processes/investigations. I don't think that rules out all investigations though.
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Funny. I don't think you'll find any "scared" Trump supporters. We tend to stand by our beliefs. As President Trump has proven there's not much the Democrats can do in 8 years that can't be undone by a Republican in 4.
like spiteful children knocking over sand castles. We agree on that characterization at least.

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Funny. I don't think you'll find any "scared" Trump supporters. We tend to stand by our beliefs. As President Trump has proven there's not much the Democrats can do in 8 years that can't be undone by a Republican in 4.
They seemed pretty scared to follow through on the promise to roll back the ACA. I'm sure we'll hear more calls for it now that Republicans are no longer in a position to actually deliver.
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The only things that would get Trump out of are the things Biden will be able to give orders about. For his crimes in other jurisdictions, he'll just have to continue to rely on the same unwillingness to prosecute rich people that he's always skated by on before. (Maybe it'll stop working now that it's more widely known that he's only fake-rich.)
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
Translation: We are good, they are bad. We are smart, they are dumb. We are nice, they are mean. We are superior, they are inferior.
Bad translation. Nowhere did I make any distinctions between the intelligence or 'superiority' of conservatives vs. liberals, nor did I say or imply anything about how 'nice' or moral they might be. If you got that impression then it came solely from your own mind.

I simply stated scientific facts. But facts are mean and have a liberal bias!

Political Orientations Are Correlated with Brain Structure
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recent studies have begun to identify biological influences on an individual's political orientation. For example, a twin study shows that a substantial amount of the variability in political ideology reflects genetic influences...Our findings extend previous observations that political attitudes reflect differences in self-regulatory conflict monitoring and recognition of emotional faces by showing that such attitudes are reflected in human brain structure.

stronger liberalism is associated with increased sensitivity to cues for altering a habitual response pattern... individuals with a larger ACC [anterior cingulate cortex] have a higher capacity to tolerate uncertainty and conflicts, allowing them to accept more liberal views.
If you can't accept that, then...
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Old 17th November 2020, 11:54 PM   #271
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That general difference sounds like it would also affect religiosity & scientificity. Science is all about being willing to accept & adapt to new information, and religion is all about not that.
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Old 18th November 2020, 07:10 PM   #272
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That general difference sounds like it would also affect religiosity & scientificity. Science is all about being willing to accept & adapt to new information, and religion is all about not that.
Absolutely. But I'm pretty sure that political orientation /religiosity also have a significant environmental influence as well - meaning identical twins raised apart likely are not 100% concordant (if they were, we'd almost certainly have the variants identified).
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Old 20th November 2020, 02:56 AM   #273
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Originally Posted by Egg View Post
I live in Minnesota. Those are the demographics of the region. (linky)
I had no idea Minnesota was such a hotbed for Racists and White Supremacy. Your link doesn't show any Native Americans or African Americans at all or any other minorities for that matter. Obscene!

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I'm going to take this in good faith and just say "astonishing!" - and forever use this post as the best example of denialism I've ever seen.
Oh my, if you think Trump was advocating for reunification of a new Nazi party in Minnesota, then by all means feel free to believe that. There's no law against having beliefs. A Nazi leader loved and admired in Israel with Jewish grandkids sounds a bit out there to me but hey do whatever narrative makes you feel good.

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I don't find this line of argument convincing and if I did, I wouldn't find the statistics to be convincing either.
I think you find the increase in Minority voter support for Trump disturbing. It runs afoul of the "Trump is a Racist" narrative exposing it for the lie it is.

I must admit I like that. Further, you'll notice Trump has drawn more minorities into the Republican party, not less. It's only a matter of time and I can wait. The days of the Democrat party are numbered.
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Old 20th November 2020, 05:32 AM   #274
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
I had no idea Minnesota was such a hotbed for Racists and White Supremacy. Your link doesn't show any Native Americans or African Americans at all or any other minorities for that matter. Obscene!
Didn't notice the list does not sum to 100%? Obscene!

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I think you find the increase in Minority voter support for Trump disturbing. It runs afoul of the "Trump is a Racist" narrative exposing it for the lie it is. I must admit I like that. Further, you'll notice Trump has drawn more minorities into the Republican party, not less. It's only a matter of time and I can wait. The days of the Democrat party are numbered.
Not surprised at all. Trump is a demagogue and appeals to weak minds and sundry other sorts prone to being easily titillated -- people who can be convinced by someone slamming a fist on the bar to punctuate a vastly oversimplified "explanation". Humanity has its fair share of such people, and it has nothing to do with race, creed, or what have you.

However, the days of free elections do seem to be over, as nearly half the country is up in arms over imaginary misdeeds, while also being entirely incapable of examining facts and evidence when handed to them on a silver platter. Also not surprising, as it is part and parcel of the exact same trend of rural areas feeling left behind and rebelling violently against modernity, which most visibly started in the Iranian Revolution. No denying Trump's voters feel the same way, employ the same recourse to local religion and tribal traditions, also make violent threats, and express themselves in terms of hatred of all that is other.
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Old 20th November 2020, 02:13 PM   #275
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Originally Posted by Delvo View Post
That general difference sounds like it would also affect religiosity & scientificity. Science is all about being willing to accept & adapt to new information, and religion is all about not that.


In order to be able to accept and adapt to new information, one must be willing to admit one was wrong. Religion is inherently, to a large degree, unable to do that.

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Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes View Post
Didn't notice the list does not sum to 100%? Obscene!


Not surprised at all. Trump is a demagogue and appeals to weak minds and sundry other sorts prone to being easily titillated -- people who can be convinced by someone slamming a fist on the bar to punctuate a vastly oversimplified "explanation". Humanity has its fair share of such people, and it has nothing to do with race, creed, or what have you.

However, the days of free elections do seem to be over, as nearly half the country is up in arms over imaginary misdeeds, while also being entirely incapable of examining facts and evidence when handed to them on a silver platter. Also not surprising, as it is part and parcel of the exact same trend of rural areas feeling left behind and rebelling violently against modernity, which most visibly started in the Iranian Revolution. No denying Trump's voters feel the same way, employ the same recourse to local religion and tribal traditions, also make violent threats, and express themselves in terms of hatred of all that is other.
I asked how egg knew the demographics of the crowd at that Trump rally. That link was what I got back. (as expected)

I don't think minorities have weak minds. I think in some areas like Miami Dade county FL, the Dems are having a nervous breakdown over the recent minority support of Trump.

Nearly half the Country is up in arms due to the media push to accept Biden as being rightfully elected by dismissing any claims of foul deeds. Everyone needs to know the election was valid, we need to know.
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
I asked how egg knew the demographics of the crowd at that Trump rally. That link was what I got back. (as expected)

I don't think minorities have weak minds. I think in some areas like Miami Dade county FL, the Dems are having a nervous breakdown over the recent minority support of Trump.

Nearly half the Country is up in arms due to the media push to accept Biden as being rightfully elected by dismissing any claims of foul deeds. Everyone needs to know the election was valid, we need to know.
Um...no.
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Thirty-two percent is not "nearly half" the country. That's the same number that has almost always been Trump's base. You know...the ones he said that would still vote for him if he shot someone on 5th Avenue. The more time that goes by, the more true that proves to be.
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I think you find the increase in Minority voter support for Trump disturbing. It runs afoul of the "Trump is a Racist" narrative exposing it for the lie it is.
Nope, it just confirms what a lot of us already knew, that racism in the US is not confined only to white Christian males. Or to put it another way, Deplorables are found in all groups both majority and minority - and Trump is skilled at encouraging them.

Trump is definitely racist. That some Latinos, Blacks, Asians and Cubans are too is not evidence against it. In fact interminority racism is a well known effect of marginalization, and Trump naturally uses this to his advantage.

Some also support Trump for other reasons, such as 'anti-socialist' Cuban Americans hoping the US will invade Cuba for them, or Hispanics who are worried about illegal immigrants taking 'their' jobs. Trump is a populist who tells people what they want to hear and provides simplistic 'solutions' to their grievances and fears. So some voted for him because he promised to 'bring back coal' (which never happened), or 'build a wall and make Mexico pay for it' (which didn't happen either) etc. They would gladly trade a little racism to get what they want. Deplorable for sure, but whites don't have a monopoly on that.
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Nearly half the Country is up in arms due to the media push to accept Biden as being rightfully elected by dismissing any claims of foul deeds.
The same criteria that 'the media' used to call previous elections (including Trump in 2016)? The same 'foul deeds' that Republican election officials, security watchdogs and judges are also 'dismissing' because it is a fantasy?

'Nearly half' the country is up in arms for one reason, their guy lost. After months of him lying to them about how the only way he could lose would be if foul deeds were committed - who insisted that all those popular votes for Hillary were fraudulent, and that he had the biggest inauguration crowd 'ever' - and they 'believe' him simply because he's their guy - pure partisanship not tainted by even the tiniest smidgen of fact.

'Nearly half' (actually ~35%) of the country is Deplorable. This is not news.

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And we will, unless Trump and his lackies subvert it. OTOH, if their shenanigans result in an invalid election then we will know about that too - and be mighty pissed.

So far the evidence is showing that this is the most secure election in our history, and there is zero indication of any 'foul deeds' by Biden or his supporters - exactly as all rational people expected. That means the people who are 'up in arms' have no logical reason to be upset - except because their guy lost.
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Nope, it just confirms what a lot of us already knew, that racism in the US is not confined only to white Christian males. Or to put it another way, Deplorables are found in all groups both majority and minority - and Trump is skilled at encouraging them.

Trump is definitely racist. That some Latinos, Blacks, Asians and Cubans are too is not evidence against it. In fact interminority racism is a well known effect of marginalization, and Trump naturally uses this to his advantage.

Some also support Trump for other reasons, such as 'anti-socialist' Cuban Americans hoping the US will invade Cuba for them, or Hispanics who are worried about illegal immigrants taking 'their' jobs. Trump is a populist who tells people what they want to hear and provides simplistic 'solutions' to their grievances and fears. So some voted for him because he promised to 'bring back coal' (which never happened), or 'build a wall and make Mexico pay for it' (which didn't happen either) etc. They would gladly trade a little racism to get what they want. Deplorable for sure, but whites don't have a monopoly on that.
Ah, so everyone that supports Trump is a racist. Those minorities that voted for Trump are racists as well. Hilarious.
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