[Merged] What is Parler? / Parler gets owned - Page 3

lobosrul5 · 11th January 2021, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

They should have left it up a bit longer but I doubt the FBI had the wherewithal to ask the media companies involved to wait.

Or maybe they did and that's why Parler was given 24 hours notice.

Amazon still has all their data. Probably 3 to 5 copies in each of their data centers.

Stacyhs · 12th January 2021, 01:29 AM

never mind

Stacyhs · 12th January 2021, 02:02 AM

Leave it to the right wing ignoramuses to screw up the clever use of the French "parler" by pronouncing it "parlor".

Squeegee Beckenheim · 12th January 2021, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

It could be, because after all this has happened, and they have been burned so badly, large numbers of them might not trust any "Parler replacement" platform. There are already rumours circulating among some conservative discussion boards that "Parler" was a honey trap set by "them". This was mooted as a possibility as early as June last year!

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/06/parler-is-trap.html

I doubt it was a honeytrap with Rebekah Mercer at the wheel. She's a big Republican/Trump donor. However, since she's also the person behind Cambridge Analytica and its child company, I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a fair amount of data harvesting going on.

The Great Zaganza · 12th January 2021, 04:36 AM

because there is no money in pandering to the radical right, only those with a political agenda are willing to finance platforms like Parler.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 12th January 2021, 04:49 AM

Parler has found a new home

cow_cat · 12th January 2021, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

Parler has found a new home

Interesting. I wonder how ParlerV2 will separate out the old "verified" admin accounts from the newer "hacktivist" admin accounts? Further, with the Parler data dump, surely it's simple to work out username/passwords of old accounts (even if the data dump of ParlerV1 didn't store passwords in plain text) and thus become vulnerable to further attacks from "verified" accounts?

Even if ParlerV2 manages to comprehensively address any and all further security problems, I suspect that the damage has already been done. Maybe they'll rebrand it Sprechen?

Darat · 12th January 2021, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

Parler has found a new home

Thought if it was still to be based in the USA it would be them.

The article is interesting as well as I'm slightly confused about an example...

".... With users as wide-ranging as Texas Senator Ted Cruz and neo-Nazi terror groups, ....

That's meant to show wide-ranging.........

johnny karate · 12th January 2021, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

Parler has found a new home

*phew* Freedom of Speech is saved. That was a close one.

Stacyhs · 12th January 2021, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by cow_cat

Interesting. I wonder how ParlerV2 will separate out the old "verified" admin accounts from the newer "hacktivist" admin accounts? Further, with the Parler data dump, surely it's simple to work out username/passwords of old accounts (even if the data dump of ParlerV1 didn't store passwords in plain text) and thus become vulnerable to further attacks from "verified" accounts?

Even if ParlerV2 manages to comprehensively address any and all further security problems, I suspect that the damage has already been done. Maybe they'll rebrand it Sprechen?

Which they'll rhyme with "Gretchen".

Vixen · 12th January 2021, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

If I was a Conspiracy Nut, I might think that the FBI created Parler as a trap ...

Many a true word said in jest.

ChristianProgressive · 15th January 2021, 10:11 AM

Does anyone know where the "Parlor archive" can be accessed? SOMEONE has to have posted it by now.

SuburbanTurkey · 15th January 2021, 10:29 AM

For all this talk about moderation policies, the CHUDs kinda lost sight of the fact that Parler isn't going to break the law for them. They will respond to subpoenas regarding the criminal behavior of their users.

Since it has such loose moderation policies, many on the service felt pretty comfortable making death threats or openly discussing their intentions to engage in criminal violence. Parler will allow you to conspire with other criminals. Parler will allow you to post videos and pictures that are rich with metadata. Parler will kindly pack this up and turn it over the feds when asked.

I can't find the link now, but there was one press release that heavily implied that someone was ID'd not from video, but from information the feds got from Parler after issuing a subpoena.

RecoveringYuppy · 15th January 2021, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

turn it over the feds when asked.

Apparently they didn't even need to be asked.

smartcooky · 15th January 2021, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by cow_cat

Interesting. I wonder how ParlerV2 will separate out the old "verified" admin accounts from the newer "hacktivist" admin accounts? Further, with the Parler data dump, surely it's simple to work out username/passwords of old accounts (even if the data dump of ParlerV1 didn't store passwords in plain text) and thus become vulnerable to further attacks from "verified" accounts?

Even if ParlerV2 manages to comprehensively address any and all further security problems, I suspect that the damage has already been done. Maybe they'll rebrand it Sprechen?

Actually, this is a good point. If they don't start from scratch (requiring all members to sign up anew) and instead, bring over their membership list, it will be difficult to determine which accounts are fake admins. Sure they could write a script to do that, but if they were so dumb as to allow their original platform to be compromised so easily, I don't have a lot of faith in their ability to do that - I mean having "verified citizen" accounts using images of both sides of an ID card/Driver's license with unencrypted real names, and actual addresses and telephone numbers? Seriously?

Mader Levap · 15th January 2021, 12:21 PM

It should be simple. It is not like they give legitimate admin/moderator/whatever accounts to just anyone, right? Block all accounts with elevated rights made after date X.

Key word is should. With their incompetency, who knows what homebrew unmaintanenanceable horror they concocted.

cow_cat · 15th January 2021, 01:24 PM

True. I am speculating slightly on exactly what data were stored, and if the people who created all of the 'fake' admin accounts couldn't change the timestamp of data creation. As far as I know, these are unknowns.

However if you simply cycled through all users with the password 'MAGA2024!', you would probably access 10% of all accounts.

Dr. Keith · 15th January 2021, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by cow_cat

True. I am speculating slightly on exactly what data were stored, and if the people who created all of the 'fake' admin accounts couldn't change the timestamp of data creation. As far as I know, these are unknowns.

However if you simply cycled through all users with the password 'MAGA2024!', you would probably access 10% of all accounts.

Mine is safe: HeartMAGA2024!Heart

Mader Levap · 15th January 2021, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by cow_cat

However if you simply cycled through all users with the password 'MAGA2024!', you would probably access 10% of all accounts.

I like your insinuation they store passwords in plaintext.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 16th January 2021, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

I mean having "verified citizen" accounts using images of both sides of an ID card/Driver's license with unencrypted real names, and actual addresses and telephone numbers? Seriously?

This makes more sense if you consider that the owners don't care about the users, and just happen to be the people behind Cambridge Analytica. I'd be very surprised if that, or any other information was ever intended to just sit there.

Minoosh · 16th January 2021, 03:34 PM

Here's what I don't understand about the cloud. I'm assuming it is just a network of computers. If someone wanted to have their own functional social media network, why do they need, for example, Amazon? Do you need a host if you have your own network of servers?

I am thinking server is just another word for computer but I may be picturing this all wrong.

(hey ... you ... offa my cloud!")

But then I don't understand the business model to begin with. I hate getting targeted ads; I find it quite creepy. Frankly by the time you've bought into a cloud IMO you've already gone full Orwell. Or worse. "Please put me under surveillance, I don't want to miss any ads on tactical equipment or one easy trick to burning belly fat!"

RecoveringYuppy · 16th January 2021, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

If someone wanted to have their own functional social media network, why do they need, for example, Amazon? Do you need a host if you have your own network of servers?

I am thinking server is just another word for computer but I may be picturing this all wrong.

A server is just a computer and you don't need Amazon if you have your own network of servers. But Amazon and other cloud providers can provide them and let you focus on what you want those servers to do rather than having to "reinvent the wheel" for managing servers. And they can usually do it cheaper than you can. And offer a lot more flexibility in how fast you can scale up or scale down your needs.

RecoveringYuppy · 16th January 2021, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

But then I don't understand the business model to begin with. I hate getting targeted ads; I find it quite creepy. Frankly by the time you've bought into a cloud IMO you've already gone full Orwell. Or worse. "Please put me under surveillance, I don't want to miss any ads on tactical equipment or one easy trick to burning belly fat!"

This is a separate topic. Being on the cloud has no impact on a service giving you targeted ads. You can do or not do that on or off the cloud.

Minoosh · 16th January 2021, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

A server is just a computer and you don't need Amazon if you have your own network of servers. But Amazon and other cloud providers can provide them and let you focus on what you want those servers to do rather than having to "reinvent the wheel" for managing servers. And they can usually do it cheaper than you can. And offer a lot more flexibility in how fast you can scale up or scale down your needs.

Thanks; that was a useful answer.

acbytesla · 16th January 2021, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

A server is just a computer and you don't need Amazon if you have your own network of servers. But Amazon and other cloud providers can provide them and let you focus on what you want those servers to do rather than having to "reinvent the wheel" for managing servers. And they can usually do it cheaper than you can. And offer a lot more flexibility in how fast you can scale up or scale down your needs.

I've worked with a lot of companies that use to host their own servers. But many have stopped because it is cheaper in so many ways to let the big boys do it for them. That allows them to focus on their own business as opposed to also manage an IT staff and equipment. There are the servers, the electrical power, the air conditioning, the racking, the servers and disk arrays, the routers and switches, the backup equipment. And what if it goes down? These companies don't need to fret about buying Sun v HP or Cisco or F5, etc etc etc. They just ask for a specific amount of bandwidth and processing power and maybe a few other services.

That doesn't make it right for every company. But it makes a lot of sense for many.

Wudang · 17th January 2021, 01:04 AM

Agreed. For a few years I worked for a major bank writing tools where none existed and customising vendor tools and so much of that comes as standard with AWS. It’s not just the servers, it’s managing them.

JoeMorgue · 17th January 2021, 06:14 PM

Parler is back online under a new, currently unknown, web host.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/tech/...ine/index.html

Stacyhs · 18th January 2021, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Parler is back online under a new, currently unknown, web host.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/tech/...ine/index.html

It does not seem to be back online as it says

Quote:

"Now seems like the right time to remind you all — both lovers and haters — why we started this platform," the status update said. "We believe privacy is paramount and free speech essential, especially on social media. Our aim has always been to provide a nonpartisan public square where individuals can enjoy and exercise their rights to both. We will resolve any challenge before us and plan to welcome all of you back soon. We will not let civil discourse perish!"

The Great Zaganza · 18th January 2021, 01:27 AM

I'm betting that, as soon as Parler opens again, tech savvy people will try to find exploits.

Jim_MDP · 18th January 2021, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

I'm betting that, as soon as Parler opens again, tech savvy people will try to find exploits.

And the bastards will find them too... before the school kids have their chance.

plague311 · 18th January 2021, 07:54 AM

Looks like their website is being hosted by Epik, who also hosts Gab I'm pretty sure, but it's just a holding page. It's not the app or anything. Just a way to let people know they still exist.

Darat · 18th January 2021, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by plague311

Looks like their website is being hosted by Epik, who also hosts Gab I'm pretty sure, but it's just a holding page. It's not the app or anything. Just a way to let people know they still exist.

What’s taking them so long. They said they would be back within 12 hours...

Porky pies...

Good to see how their lies are hurting their legal case.

Darat · 18th January 2021, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Wudang

Agreed. For a few years I worked for a major bank writing tools where none existed and customising vendor tools and so much of that comes as standard with AWS. It’s not just the servers, it’s managing them.

Not in this case their CEO told us they developed “bare metal” and didn’t rely on AWS infrastructure....

zorro99 · 18th January 2021, 08:59 AM

8chan was out for three months.

zorro99 · 18th January 2021, 09:01 AM

CEO John Matze told Reuters on Wednesday that much about the app and website is still up in the air after businesses cut ties to the company. Amazon said it removed Parler from its cloud-hosting service because the social media platform was not effectively moderating and removing violent content. Now Matze says the company’s fate is uncertain.

“It could be never,” he said when asked about if and when Parler will be back online for its millions of users. “We don’t know yet.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...r-return-matze

Darat · 18th January 2021, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by zorro99

CEO John Matze told Reuters on Wednesday that much about the app and website is still up in the air after businesses cut ties to the company. Amazon said it removed Parler from its cloud-hosting service because the social media platform was not effectively moderating and removing violent content. Now Matze says the company’s fate is uncertain.

“It could be never,” he said when asked about if and when Parler will be back online for its millions of users. “We don’t know yet.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...r-return-matze

That sounds like his legal team is now telling him what to say.

plague311 · 18th January 2021, 10:07 AM

The time\money associated with them having to remove tons of admin accounts (which wouldn't be terrible), clean up your user database because I'm positive they didn't just make admin accounts, find out how to secure the system again, download, upload, find vendors, etc., confirm the data that should be there, is there, and so on and so on, would be massive.

I can't imagine that Parler was all that profitable before, and I have serious doubts that they'd have the immediate funding or staff to take on a project that size. I guess they do have Mrs. Moneybags, whoever that was I forgot her name, but it would still take a lot of time. I'd damn near start over.

SuburbanTurkey · 18th January 2021, 10:47 AM

The technical problems are why Parler isn't up right now, but it's an open question whether it would even be popular again even if it worked right now.

the biggest problem for parler is that bubble of impunity has popped. Parler might have had extremely loose moderation standards, but that doesn't mean a thing when it comes to criminal liability.

Parler users are seeing posts and metadata show up on probable cause applications and indictments filed by the feds for many of the capitol hill invaders. The party is over, anyone who isn't currently facing criminal liability is probably sobering up and realizing that they can't go back to openly plotting criminal activity like before.

Thoughts about opsec is probably on the minds of most of the extreme right, and going back to some giant honeypot like Parler is probably the last thing they want to do.

dudalb · 18th January 2021, 12:43 PM

PArler has pretty much screwed itslef by it's embrace of far right extremism. The brand is simply too toxic now.

SuburbanTurkey · 18th January 2021, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

PArler has pretty much screwed itslef by it's embrace of far right extremism. The brand is simply too toxic now.

Gab's still kicking around. Bowers posted on Gab right before shooting up the Tree of Life synagogue and it's still chugging along years later.

These places are never going to be true competitors to mainstream social media outlets, but they can probably survive as the niche hangout for various extremists.

Nazis are always going to need a place to discuss the merits of optics vs accelerationism.

Originally Posted by Robert Bowers on Gab, immediately prior to his mass shooting at a synagogue

HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I'm going in.

11th January 2021, 09:25 PM	#81
lobosrul5 Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 2,195	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger They should have left it up a bit longer but I doubt the FBI had the wherewithal to ask the media companies involved to wait. Or maybe they did and that's why Parler was given 24 hours notice. Amazon still has all their data. Probably 3 to 5 copies in each of their data centers.
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12th January 2021, 01:29 AM	#82
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,248	never mind
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12th January 2021, 04:28 AM	#84
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,453	Originally Posted by smartcooky It could be, because after all this has happened, and they have been burned so badly, large numbers of them might not trust any "Parler replacement" platform. There are already rumours circulating among some conservative discussion boards that "Parler" was a honey trap set by "them". This was mooted as a possibility as early as June last year! http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/06/parler-is-trap.html I doubt it was a honeytrap with Rebekah Mercer at the wheel. She's a big Republican/Trump donor. However, since she's also the person behind Cambridge Analytica and its child company, I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a fair amount of data harvesting going on.
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12th January 2021, 04:36 AM	#85
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,888	because there is no money in pandering to the radical right, only those with a political agenda are willing to finance platforms like Parler.
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12th January 2021, 04:49 AM	#86
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,453	Parler has found a new home
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12th January 2021, 02:02 AM	#83
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,248	Leave it to the right wing ignoramuses to screw up the clever use of the French "parler" by pronouncing it "parlor".

12th January 2021, 06:29 AM	#87
cow_cat Mr. Parodied Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Between the Sun and the Stars Posts: 1,971	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim Parler has found a new home Interesting. I wonder how ParlerV2 will separate out the old "verified" admin accounts from the newer "hacktivist" admin accounts? Further, with the Parler data dump, surely it's simple to work out username/passwords of old accounts (even if the data dump of ParlerV1 didn't store passwords in plain text) and thus become vulnerable to further attacks from "verified" accounts? Even if ParlerV2 manages to comprehensively address any and all further security problems, I suspect that the damage has already been done. Maybe they'll rebrand it Sprechen?
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12th January 2021, 10:00 AM	#88
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 97,899	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim Parler has found a new home Thought if it was still to be based in the USA it would be them. The article is interesting as well as I'm slightly confused about an example... ".... With users as wide-ranging as Texas Senator Ted Cruz and neo-Nazi terror groups, .... That's meant to show wide-ranging.........
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12th January 2021, 10:15 AM	#89
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14,652	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim Parler has found a new home phew Freedom of Speech is saved. That was a close one.

12th January 2021, 02:34 PM	#90
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,248	Originally Posted by cow_cat Interesting. I wonder how ParlerV2 will separate out the old "verified" admin accounts from the newer "hacktivist" admin accounts? Further, with the Parler data dump, surely it's simple to work out username/passwords of old accounts (even if the data dump of ParlerV1 didn't store passwords in plain text) and thus become vulnerable to further attacks from "verified" accounts? Even if ParlerV2 manages to comprehensively address any and all further security problems, I suspect that the damage has already been done. Maybe they'll rebrand it Sprechen? Which they'll rhyme with "Gretchen".

12th January 2021, 02:43 PM	#91
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,657	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza If I was a Conspiracy Nut, I might think that the FBI created Parler as a trap ... Many a true word said in jest.
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15th January 2021, 10:11 AM	#92
ChristianProgressive Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 2,846	Does anyone know where the "Parlor archive" can be accessed? SOMEONE has to have posted it by now.
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15th January 2021, 10:29 AM	#93
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 8,592	For all this talk about moderation policies, the CHUDs kinda lost sight of the fact that Parler isn't going to break the law for them. They will respond to subpoenas regarding the criminal behavior of their users. Since it has such loose moderation policies, many on the service felt pretty comfortable making death threats or openly discussing their intentions to engage in criminal violence. Parler will allow you to conspire with other criminals. Parler will allow you to post videos and pictures that are rich with metadata. Parler will kindly pack this up and turn it over the feds when asked. I can't find the link now, but there was one press release that heavily implied that someone was ID'd not from video, but from information the feds got from Parler after issuing a subpoena.
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15th January 2021, 10:36 AM	#94
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 11,040	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey turn it over the feds when asked. Apparently they didn't even need to be asked.

15th January 2021, 12:06 PM	#95
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 17,260	Originally Posted by cow_cat Interesting. I wonder how ParlerV2 will separate out the old "verified" admin accounts from the newer "hacktivist" admin accounts? Further, with the Parler data dump, surely it's simple to work out username/passwords of old accounts (even if the data dump of ParlerV1 didn't store passwords in plain text) and thus become vulnerable to further attacks from "verified" accounts? Even if ParlerV2 manages to comprehensively address any and all further security problems, I suspect that the damage has already been done. Maybe they'll rebrand it Sprechen? Actually, this is a good point. If they don't start from scratch (requiring all members to sign up anew) and instead, bring over their membership list, it will be difficult to determine which accounts are fake admins. Sure they could write a script to do that, but if they were so dumb as to allow their original platform to be compromised so easily, I don't have a lot of faith in their ability to do that - I mean having "verified citizen" accounts using images of both sides of an ID card/Driver's license with unencrypted real names, and actual addresses and telephone numbers? Seriously?
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15th January 2021, 12:21 PM	#96
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,576	It should be simple. It is not like they give legitimate admin/moderator/whatever accounts to just anyone, right? Block all accounts with elevated rights made after date X. Key word is should. With their incompetency, who knows what homebrew unmaintanenanceable horror they concocted.
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15th January 2021, 01:24 PM	#97
cow_cat Mr. Parodied Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Between the Sun and the Stars Posts: 1,971	True. I am speculating slightly on exactly what data were stored, and if the people who created all of the 'fake' admin accounts couldn't change the timestamp of data creation. As far as I know, these are unknowns. However if you simply cycled through all users with the password 'MAGA2024!', you would probably access 10% of all accounts.
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15th January 2021, 01:30 PM	#98
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,974	Originally Posted by cow_cat True. I am speculating slightly on exactly what data were stored, and if the people who created all of the 'fake' admin accounts couldn't change the timestamp of data creation. As far as I know, these are unknowns. However if you simply cycled through all users with the password 'MAGA2024!', you would probably access 10% of all accounts. Mine is safe: HeartMAGA2024!Heart
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15th January 2021, 04:18 PM	#99
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,576	Originally Posted by cow_cat However if you simply cycled through all users with the password 'MAGA2024!', you would probably access 10% of all accounts. I like your insinuation they store passwords in plaintext.
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16th January 2021, 01:18 AM	#100
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,453	Originally Posted by smartcooky I mean having "verified citizen" accounts using images of both sides of an ID card/Driver's license with unencrypted real names, and actual addresses and telephone numbers? Seriously? This makes more sense if you consider that the owners don't care about the users, and just happen to be the people behind Cambridge Analytica. I'd be very surprised if that, or any other information was ever intended to just sit there.
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16th January 2021, 03:34 PM	#101
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,344	Here's what I don't understand about the cloud. I'm assuming it is just a network of computers. If someone wanted to have their own functional social media network, why do they need, for example, Amazon? Do you need a host if you have your own network of servers? I am thinking server is just another word for computer but I may be picturing this all wrong. (hey ... you ... offa my cloud!") But then I don't understand the business model to begin with. I hate getting targeted ads; I find it quite creepy. Frankly by the time you've bought into a cloud IMO you've already gone full Orwell. Or worse. "Please put me under surveillance, I don't want to miss any ads on tactical equipment or one easy trick to burning belly fat!"

16th January 2021, 04:02 PM	#102
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 11,040	Originally Posted by Minoosh If someone wanted to have their own functional social media network, why do they need, for example, Amazon? Do you need a host if you have your own network of servers? I am thinking server is just another word for computer but I may be picturing this all wrong. A server is just a computer and you don't need Amazon if you have your own network of servers. But Amazon and other cloud providers can provide them and let you focus on what you want those servers to do rather than having to "reinvent the wheel" for managing servers. And they can usually do it cheaper than you can. And offer a lot more flexibility in how fast you can scale up or scale down your needs.

16th January 2021, 04:03 PM	#103
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 11,040	Originally Posted by Minoosh But then I don't understand the business model to begin with. I hate getting targeted ads; I find it quite creepy. Frankly by the time you've bought into a cloud IMO you've already gone full Orwell. Or worse. "Please put me under surveillance, I don't want to miss any ads on tactical equipment or one easy trick to burning belly fat!" This is a separate topic. Being on the cloud has no impact on a service giving you targeted ads. You can do or not do that on or off the cloud.

16th January 2021, 04:14 PM	#104
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,344	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy A server is just a computer and you don't need Amazon if you have your own network of servers. But Amazon and other cloud providers can provide them and let you focus on what you want those servers to do rather than having to "reinvent the wheel" for managing servers. And they can usually do it cheaper than you can. And offer a lot more flexibility in how fast you can scale up or scale down your needs. Thanks; that was a useful answer.

16th January 2021, 05:25 PM	#105
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,598	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy A server is just a computer and you don't need Amazon if you have your own network of servers. But Amazon and other cloud providers can provide them and let you focus on what you want those servers to do rather than having to "reinvent the wheel" for managing servers. And they can usually do it cheaper than you can. And offer a lot more flexibility in how fast you can scale up or scale down your needs. I've worked with a lot of companies that use to host their own servers. But many have stopped because it is cheaper in so many ways to let the big boys do it for them. That allows them to focus on their own business as opposed to also manage an IT staff and equipment. There are the servers, the electrical power, the air conditioning, the racking, the servers and disk arrays, the routers and switches, the backup equipment. And what if it goes down? These companies don't need to fret about buying Sun v HP or Cisco or F5, etc etc etc. They just ask for a specific amount of bandwidth and processing power and maybe a few other services. That doesn't make it right for every company. But it makes a lot of sense for many.
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17th January 2021, 01:04 AM	#106
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 13,595	Agreed. For a few years I worked for a major bank writing tools where none existed and customising vendor tools and so much of that comes as standard with AWS. It’s not just the servers, it’s managing them.
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17th January 2021, 06:14 PM	#107
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,690	Parler is back online under a new, currently unknown, web host. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/tech/...ine/index.html
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18th January 2021, 01:19 AM	#108
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,248	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Parler is back online under a new, currently unknown, web host. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/17/tech/...ine/index.html It does not seem to be back online as it says Quote: "Now seems like the right time to remind you all — both lovers and haters — why we started this platform," the status update said. "We believe privacy is paramount and free speech essential, especially on social media. Our aim has always been to provide a nonpartisan public square where individuals can enjoy and exercise their rights to both. We will resolve any challenge before us and plan to welcome all of you back soon. We will not let civil discourse perish!"

18th January 2021, 01:27 AM	#109
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,888	I'm betting that, as soon as Parler opens again, tech savvy people will try to find exploits.
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18th January 2021, 03:05 AM	#110
Jim_MDP Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: N.Cal/S.Or Posts: 8,132	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza I'm betting that, as soon as Parler opens again, tech savvy people will try to find exploits. And the bastards will find them too... before the school kids have their chance.
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18th January 2021, 07:54 AM	#111
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 8,844	Looks like their website is being hosted by Epik, who also hosts Gab I'm pretty sure, but it's just a holding page. It's not the app or anything. Just a way to let people know they still exist.
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18th January 2021, 08:05 AM	#112
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 97,899	Originally Posted by plague311 Looks like their website is being hosted by Epik, who also hosts Gab I'm pretty sure, but it's just a holding page. It's not the app or anything. Just a way to let people know they still exist. What’s taking them so long. They said they would be back within 12 hours... Porky pies... Good to see how their lies are hurting their legal case.
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18th January 2021, 08:07 AM	#113
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 97,899	Originally Posted by Wudang Agreed. For a few years I worked for a major bank writing tools where none existed and customising vendor tools and so much of that comes as standard with AWS. It’s not just the servers, it’s managing them. Not in this case their CEO told us they developed “bare metal” and didn’t rely on AWS infrastructure....
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18th January 2021, 08:59 AM	#114
zorro99 Muse Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 989	8chan was out for three months.
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18th January 2021, 09:01 AM	#115
zorro99 Muse Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 989	CEO John Matze told Reuters on Wednesday that much about the app and website is still up in the air after businesses cut ties to the company. Amazon said it removed Parler from its cloud-hosting service because the social media platform was not effectively moderating and removing violent content. Now Matze says the company’s fate is uncertain. “It could be never,” he said when asked about if and when Parler will be back online for its millions of users. “We don’t know yet.” https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...r-return-matze
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