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Old 26th April 2018, 06:25 AM   #481
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Originally Posted by Arcade22 View Post
Trump really has no regard for maintaining America's prestige and international standing by trying to humour the leader of what can legitimately be called the world's worst country.
But at least Kim's not Muslim!
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Originally Posted by logger
Not at all,...
Yes, you patently have...
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
He never referred to Kim as honorable, it was as you said, directed at his participation. A better word though is his actions.
kind of tomato, tomatoe...

(don't bother trying to monger the false distinction)
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Old 26th April 2018, 08:11 AM   #484
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Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post
I agree. Maybe this statement of yours is the problem?

"He never referred to Kim as honorable."

Do you care to explain what you meant by that?
Don't bother. logger will continue to behave like the proverbial soaped pig because he has to accommodate the changing verbal whims of his "glorious leader" into some sort of day-after-day coherence.

The bottom line is North Korea is denuclearizing shinola.

Of course nuclear weapons is on the table. Why wouldn't? It's the most valuable chip.
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
Trump is sick with jealousy that he cannot simply execute people who get in his way. He pines to be Putin who could probably kill Trump barehanded in 30 seconds. So maybe as per another thread he is truly suffering from a personality disorder. Not just that he has one, but that he suffers from it.

The leader of the free world. Hah. America would not be free if Trump had his druthers.
A bit exaggerated, don't you think?
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Old 26th April 2018, 08:50 AM   #486
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
The leader of the free world. Hah. America would not be free if Trump had his druthers.
Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
A bit exaggerated, don't you think?
No, and it's not just Trump. Authoritarianism runs very deep in the American right. There are some who'd make your 1980's junta look downright liberal.
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Old 26th April 2018, 08:55 AM   #487
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No, and it's not just Trump. Authoritarianism runs very deep in the American right. There are some who'd make your 1980's junta look downright liberal.
Poll: More than half of Republicans would support postponing 2020 election
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ion/555769001/

And that was before Trump's relentless assaults on govt. institutions. There's going to be a crisis here. I don't know how ugly it will get.
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Old 26th April 2018, 10:48 AM   #488
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As I suspected!

And you cant figure out Trump was talking about Kim’s actions in these negotiations so far? It’s more proof your side is not interested in getting this solved because of who occupies the White House.
LOL, Kim hasn't been open and honorable in the negotiations so far: He hasn't admitted that his nuclear testing was forced to stop by the collapse at the site, and instead he is trying to pretend it's a concession. Trump should know that, but since he is infamous for having little use for intelligence briefings, it's quite possible that he is simply ignorant of that (and a great many other things). You got it exactly wrong: People "interested in getting this solved" are concerned about having an ignorant, incompetent, and easily manipulated president at the wheel. People who are only interested in propping up Our Deal Leader are the ones who don't care.

ETA LOL on myself: I meant to type Our Dear Leader, but maybe Deal works better since our Dear Leader always makes the Best Deals. But so far, Trump has given up a lot of ground in return for a pretend concession, and Kim will likely get more before his new testing facilities are ready.

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LOL, Kim hasn't been open and honorable in the negotiations so far: He hasn't admitted that his nuclear testing was forced to stop by the collapse at the site, and instead he is trying to pretend it's a concession. Trump should know that, but since he is infamous for having little use for intelligence briefings, it's quite possible that he is simply ignorant of that (and a great many other things). You got it exactly wrong: People "interested in getting this solved" are concerned about having an ignorant, incompetent, and easily manipulated president at the wheel. People who are only interested in propping up Our Deal Leader are the ones who don't care.
I disagree, Trump has moved this farther then any other president. Heís also trying something new, being tough. Itís clear no matter what happens the left will still be upset about it. Probably more upset if Trump brings Kim to heel. I of course wouldnít have it any other way.
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ETA LOL on myself: I meant to type Our Dear Leader, but maybe Deal works better since our Dear Leader always makes the Best Deals. But so far, Trump has given up a lot of ground in return for a pretend concession, and Kim will likely get more before his new testing facilities are ready.
I must have missed it. Which ground is he giving up?
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In his Fox interview Trump said

"It could be that I walk out quickly, with respect, but it could be. It could be that maybe the meeting doesn't even take place. Who knows?"*
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In his Fox interview Trump said

"It could be that I walk out quickly, with respect, but it could be. It could be that maybe the meeting doesn't even take place. Who knows?"*
It might turn out to be complicated, who knows?
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
I must have missed it. Which ground is he giving up?
Yes, you must have missed it.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
No, and it's not just Trump. Authoritarianism runs very deep in the American right. There are some who'd make your 1980's junta look downright liberal.
I'll ignore the comparison, because there's no real base for it.

For everybody's information, my conversations with logger and other members cast in a similar mould are surprisingly resemblant of my "conversations" with Peronists during the 70s (after Peron's death) and 80s. It's so intense that I almost can predict the colour of their next reply just based in my experience during my teens and early youth.

Today's Republicans are yesterday's Peronists. Ideological differences -really a secondary matter-, there are, but structural and psychological ones, not many.
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I'll ignore the comparison, because there's no real base for it.

For everybody's information, my conversations with logger and other members cast in a similar mould are surprisingly resemblant of my "conversations" with Peronists during the 70s (after Peron's death) and 80s. It's so intense that I almost can predict the colour of their next reply just based in my experience during my teens and early youth.

Today's Republicans are yesterday's Peronists. Ideological differences -really a secondary matter-, there are, but structural and psychological ones, not many.
This is strange for Americans. I'm trying to think in our history when we had a Cult of Personality before and I'm coming up blank. People liked Obama a lot, but he never would have survived (politically) something like the Access Hollywood tape. He barely made it past the Rev Wright Controversy. And if something like Access Hollywood had surfaced while Obama was president, he would have had to resign.
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Yes, you must have missed it.
Iíll take that as you were just making things up. Lol
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I'll ignore the comparison, because there's no real base for it.

For everybody's information, my conversations with logger and other members cast in a similar mould are surprisingly resemblant of my "conversations" with Peronists during the 70s (after Peron's death) and 80s. It's so intense that I almost can predict the colour of their next reply just based in my experience during my teens and early youth.

Today's Republicans are yesterday's Peronists. Ideological differences -really a secondary matter-, there are, but structural and psychological ones, not many.
Well then you arenít very informed of my position, shocking I know.

Iíve railed against an ideology. Trump was not my first choice, I argued against him until it was clear he was going to win. My choice was Cruz. So for me itís all about ideology, Trump does have this ability to get things done that Cruz would not have been able, but the reverse is true too.
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Look at this picture! Liberals melt down 3 2 1.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...r-kim-jong-un/
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Iíll take that as you were just making things up. Lol
LOL, by agreeing to a direct meeting with Kim, Trump is giving him the recognition and legitimacy that three generations of Kims have sought. But perhaps it would require an understanding of history and diplomacy far beyond Trump's grasp to understand why that's a major concession.
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Iíve railed against an ideology. Trump was not my first choice, I argued against him until it was clear he was going to win. My choice was Cruz. So for me itís all about ideology, Trump does have this ability to get things done that Cruz would not have been able, but the reverse is true too.
That's exactly what I'm saying: an acquiescent conservative, admiring an imaginary personality (the Trump in your mind). Obviously it's much more complex than that, but this is the point to start to describe it.
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This is strange for Americans. I'm trying to think in our history when we had a Cult of Personality before and I'm coming up blank. People liked Obama a lot, but he never would have survived (politically) something like the Access Hollywood tape. He barely made it past the Rev Wright Controversy. And if something like Access Hollywood had surfaced while Obama was president, he would have had to resign.
The Perůn before his death was a more democratic Perůn who described himself as "an herbivorous lion". His supporters ignored the real Perůn and manufactured an imaginary leader based on Perůn and easily confused with the original one.

Trump supporters are doing exactly the same. The "Trump, who gets things done" is one myth that doesn't relate with the real Trump. The phrase "the leader belongs to his people" is real and much deeper than anyone who hasn't live through it may think.

If everyone continues to behave the way they do now, Trump has a solid chance of being re-elected. And the Democrats have a solid chance of getting their own Trump-like leader.

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Stay tuned.

In half an hour both Korean big kahunas will be meeting in the border...
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why would he be giving up what he has spent the entire wealth of the nation to aquire?

What's the catch?
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A bit exaggerated, don't you think?
No, I really don't. He couldn't care less what most people do, but that's not the same thing as being pro-freedom.
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It's funny how we're watching Lunchbox build his trap and the Russian Whore in Chief is bragging about how he is planning to walk into it. Maybe the procession of real world leaders coming to visit can school him before he does irreparable harm to regional security in East Asia.
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LOL, by agreeing to a direct meeting with Kim, Trump is giving him the recognition and legitimacy that three generations of Kims have sought. But perhaps it would require an understanding of history and diplomacy far beyond Trump's grasp to understand why that's a major concession.
Well it certainly would be more fun to melt the country, but democrats arenít in control.
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That's exactly what I'm saying: an acquiescent conservative, admiring an imaginary personality (the Trump in your mind). Obviously it's much more complex than that, but this is the point to start to describe it.
That’s interesting but fantasy. I don’t like the way he does certain things, he has cause himself some defeats because of the way he approached it. But he’s also had some victories because of his approach. I may be able to help you understand, my side doesn’t put trust in people, many of us put our trust in a creator. Your side believes completely in government run by people.

Understand?
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The Perůn before his death was a more democratic Perůn who described himself as "an herbivorous lion". His supporters ignored the real Perůn and manufactured an imaginary leader based on Perůn and easily confused with the original one.

Trump supporters are doing exactly the same. The "Trump, who gets things done" is one myth that doesn't relate with the real Trump. The phrase "the leader belongs to his people" is real and much deeper than anyone who hasn't live through it may think.

If everyone continues to behave the way they do now, Trump has a solid chance of being re-elected. And the Democrats have a solid chance of getting their own Trump-like leader.
What youíre also missing is people on my side believe our policyís work best. Trump is implementing those policyís like they havenít been done in a long time. Itís not nessarily about the man as much as it is about the policy.
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Thatís interesting but fantasy. I donít like the way he does certain things, he has cause himself some defeats because of the way he approached it. But heís also had some victories because of his approach. I may be able to help you understand, my side doesnít put trust in people, many of us put our trust in a creator. Your side believes completely in government run by people.

Understand?
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Thatís interesting but fantasy.
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Thatís interesting but fantasy. I donít like the way he does certain things, he has cause himself some defeats because of the way he approached it. But heís also had some victories because of his approach. I may be able to help you understand, my side doesnít put trust in people, many of us put our trust in a creator. Your side believes completely in government run by people.

Understand?
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What youíre also missing is people on my side believe our policyís work best. Trump is implementing those policyís like they havenít been done in a long time. Itís not nessarily about the man as much as it is about the policy.
You have the ability to confirm what I'm saying, message by message. You're a truly old-guard Peronist. The men are secondary, what's important is the Movement! The fact that Trump will continue to be the one who better articulates what the Movement means doesn't bother your "free thinker, free will" fantasy.

You don't gather the concept of psychological acquiescence, though probably for you psychology is something for crazy people and liberals.

To other readers, I will recommend again (re)reading Escape from Freedom, 1984, Lord of the Flies and Revolt of the Masses, to understand the psychological and philosophical background of Trumpism.
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This is strange for Americans. I'm trying to think in our history when we had a Cult of Personality before and I'm coming up blank.
It's not a Cult of Personality. When Trump said he could shot someone in a main avenue and get a free pass he didn't mean it as to be above the law as a person.

Let's set things straight. There's the law and there's the other law. I mean, killing people is bad and in part of the States it's punished with death -how original!-. But "thank you for you service" to people who have been sent abroad to kill others just because they were wrapped in a uniform and a flag and killing was a means and not a goal.

Those professional, celebrated, specifically trained killers respond to what is called Reason of State. Well, Trump could shot somebody in broad daylight just because large masses have constituted him as the embodiment of their ideology turned into Reason of State. It's a "thank you for your service, Donald Trump" kind of situation Trump was smart enough to understand and use.

You all may continue to angrily criticize Trump and to despise the social base who supports him, but that will only perpetuate the vicious cycle. You'd do better by understanding what's behind.
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You have the ability to confirm what I'm saying, message by message. You're a truly old-guard Peronist. The men are secondary, what's important is the Movement! The fact that Trump will continue to be the one who better articulates what the Movement means doesn't bother your "free thinker, free will" fantasy.

You don't gather the concept of psychological acquiescence, though probably for you psychology is something for crazy people and liberals.

To other readers, I will recommend again (re)reading Escape from Freedom, 1984, Lord of the Flies and Revolt of the Masses, to understand the psychological and philosophical background of Trumpism.
its sure easy to say BS like this but youíre unable to show how. Politics is tribal, tribal for both sides. In this country we donít worship the leader of any movement. That certainly seems to have happened where you are, but thatís you.
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This article sure proves what many of you are saying.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/615465...n-moon-jae-in/
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Old 27th April 2018, 05:36 AM   #513
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This article sure proves what many of you are saying.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/615465...n-moon-jae-in/
Proves what exactly?
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The proof of groupthink working as expected in spite of the protest of groupthinkers: suggestions of the Nobel Peace Prize for glorious leader Donald Trump

Somebody already suggested such a travesty here. I wonder who was that.
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The proof of groupthink working as expected in spite of the protest of groupthinkers: suggestions of the Nobel Peace Prize for glorious leader Donald Trump

Somebody already suggested such a travesty here. I wonder who was that.
Call it what you like, just because many people on either side agree on a host of issues is quite normal, in spite of what you want to make it into. Our system isnít like yours, thankfully....we have many safeguards preventing what your country could not.
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....we have many safeguards preventing what your country could not.
They didn't prevent Trump, so nahh ... Trump, a guy who needs a vicious dictator to look good in comparison.
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They didn't prevent Trump, so nahh ... Trump, a guy who needs a vicious dictator to look good in comparison.
Prevent Trump? What are they supposed to prevent him from? Isnít that the kind of things that happen in your country? Who was supposed to prevent him? How do you post these things while accusing me? It is hilarious!
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Prevent Trump? What are they supposed to prevent him from? Isnít that the kind of things that happen in your country? Who was supposed to prevent him? How do you post these things while accusing me? It is hilarious!
What's hilarious is you not knowing what prevent means.
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What's hilarious is you not knowing what prevent means.
Well, go ahead and explain it.
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Call it what you like, just because many people on either side agree on a host of issues is quite normal, in spite of what you want to make it into. Our system isnít like yours, thankfully....we have many safeguards preventing what your country could not.
Logger, let me give you a scenario, and you tell me how it plays out: Trump loses a close election in 2020, blames massive voter fraud for his loss, and refuses to leave office. Based on this poll, he'll get widespread report from Republicans.

So what would happen next?
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