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Old 27th April 2018, 10:07 AM   #521
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LOL, by agreeing to a direct meeting with Kim, Trump is giving him the recognition and legitimacy that three generations of Kims have sought. But perhaps it would require an understanding of history and diplomacy far beyond Trump's grasp to understand why that's a major concession.
So, what you're saying is that only a complete moron like Trump, who has no idea what he is doing, could have us on the road to getting North Korea -- a country whose entire fabric is molded on hatred of the U.S. -- to dump its nuclear weapons program instead of starting WW3, as fake news and all Dems were saying a few short months ago?

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Old 27th April 2018, 10:16 AM   #522
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Logger, let me give you a scenario, and you tell me how it plays out: Trump loses a close election in 2020, blames massive voter fraud for his loss, and refuses to leave office. Based on this poll, he'll get widespread report from Republicans.

So what would happen next?


This is the same scenario before the election. My view is, if thereís wide spread fraud then yes he would have ground to stand on. If not, I would be the first to yell at him to move on. So once again, you like Alec think heís some sort of dictator, when in fact, our government is being investigated as we speak to undermine his election.


Can we get back to Trumps solving the Korea issue? You know, the issue of this thread and the one where the left is doing itís best to deny anything good is happening or that Trump is going to get the credit for it.
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Old 27th April 2018, 11:01 AM   #523
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The Campaign for Donald Trumpís Nobel Peace Prize Has Begun

On Friday, North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un and South Korean president Moon Jae-in came together for a historic meeting that resulted in a once-unimaginable pledge: The two nations will work to officially end the Korean War and denuclearize the peninsula.

Senator Lindsey Graham, not one of Trumpís biggest fans in the upper chamber, agrees. ďItís the biggest change since the end of the hostilities,Ē Graham said on Fox News Friday. ďWhat happened? Donald Trump convinced North Korea and China he was serious about bringing about change. Weíre not there yet, but if this happens, President Trump deserves the Nobel Peace Prize,Ē he said.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...has-begun.html (April 27, 2018)

"When will we see the headline: 'Trump Ends the Korean War'? Unlike Obama, he actually deserves the Nobel Peace Prize,Ē Fox News host Laura Ingraham tweeted Friday morning.
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Old 27th April 2018, 11:30 AM   #524
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Well, go ahead and explain it.
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Old 27th April 2018, 12:52 PM   #525
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"When will we see the headline: 'Trump Ends the Korean War'? Unlike Obama, he actually deserves the Nobel Peace Prize,Ē Fox News host Laura Ingraham tweeted Friday morning.
Itís pretty incredible!
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Old 27th April 2018, 12:58 PM   #526
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It’s pretty incredible!
I would be hesitant believing a regime that just months ago threatened to destroy us and has a history of duplicity. But it fits into your political narrative, so have at it!
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Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post
I would be hesitant believing a regime that just months ago threatened to destroy us and has a history of duplicity. But it fits into your political narrative, so have at it!

Seriously! You canít turn on the TV or go online and see whatís going on? I donít have a political narrative, Iím following the news!!!
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Old 27th April 2018, 01:12 PM   #528
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Fudbucker whether this comes about or not, this is impressive!!!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...a/#more-148581
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Old 27th April 2018, 01:24 PM   #529
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Fudbucker whether this comes about or not, this is impressive!!!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...a/#more-148581
If it pans out, it will be very impressive. But tell me, what did Trump do exactly, to deserve credit?

However, if detente actually breaks out on the Korean peninsula, it would be hypocritical to not give the party in power some credit. If this had happened under Obama, Democrats would be singing his praises.

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Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post
If it pans out, it will be very impressive. But tell me, what did Trump do exactly, to deserve credit?

However, if detente actually breaks out on the Korean peninsula, it would be hypocritical to not give the party in power some credit. If this had happened under Obama, Democrats would be singing his praises.
Specifically talking tough, sanctions and getting our partners in this to get in Kimís face. I hope youíre seeing the stark contrast to the way Obama handled this and the way Trump is. It has many similarities to how Reagan dealt with the Soviet Union.
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Old 27th April 2018, 02:40 PM   #531
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Specifically talking tough, sanctions and getting our partners in this to get in Kim’s face. I hope you’re seeing the stark contrast to the way Obama handled this and the way Trump is. It has many similarities to how Reagan dealt with the Soviet Union.
We've tried sanctions and outside pressure before. I will give you this though: Trump is unhinged. That very well might have scared Kim. It scares a lot of us. Pompeo, by all accounts, is an extremely intelligent person. He may have made the most of that in his negotiations. Like classic good-cop-bad-cop.

Obama was a terrible foreign policy president, IMO. Clinton was much too neocon for my tastes, and Obama deferred to her too much.

I still would give you good odds that this is all a shuck-and-jive. And I don't think for a second N. Korea will give up it's nukes.
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Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post
We've tried sanctions and outside pressure before. I will give you this though: Trump is unhinged. That very well might have scared Kim. It scares a lot of us. Pompeo, by all accounts, is an extremely intelligent person. He may have made the most of that in his negotiations. Like classic good-cop-bad-cop.

Obama was a terrible foreign policy president, IMO. Clinton was much too neocon for my tastes, and Obama deferred to her too much.

I still would give you good odds that this is all a shuck-and-jive. And I don't think for a second N. Korea will give up it's nukes.
I donít see why, he can have everything he has now, just come into the family of nations and be happy.
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I think Americans overrate how much Americans influence the politics of other nations.
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Old 27th April 2018, 04:35 PM   #534
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A Nobel prize for Trump?

I mean, here we have what seems to be a giant leap towards peace in Korea and Trump can't keep his mouth shut, crowing about how he brought it off with his sabre rattling. Effectively rubbing Kim's nose in the fact that he caved in under pressure.

From the ABC:

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The never shy Donald Trump has claimed credit for getting the North and South together, citing the pressure exerted by his sanctions, his military, and his strategic genius.
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Old 27th April 2018, 06:52 PM   #535
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I think Americans overrate how much Americans influence the politics of other nations.
Yeah itís so obvious.
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Old 28th April 2018, 06:15 AM   #536
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Yeah itís so obvious.
Do you think Americans do not overrate US influence?
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Old 28th April 2018, 10:33 AM   #537
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I donít see why, he can have everything he has now, just come into the family ...
The Nuclear Family! Boom! A two-fer ...!
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Old 30th April 2018, 09:18 AM   #538
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So, what you're saying is that only a complete moron like Trump, who has no idea what he is doing, could have us on the road to getting North Korea -- a country whose entire fabric is molded on hatred of the U.S. -- to dump its nuclear weapons program instead of starting WW3, as fake news and all Dems were saying a few short months ago?
He doesn't though. They forced the US to the negotiating table why would they give them up after that? They are the sign that they have finally gotten the respect they deserve.

And with all his talk of not honoring the Iran treaty after they gave up their weapons grade material and are no longer making it, why would they even trust the US to honor any agreement we sign?
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Old 30th April 2018, 10:58 AM   #539
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So, what you're saying is that only a complete moron like Trump, who has no idea what he is doing, could have us on the road to getting North Korea -- a country whose entire fabric is molded on hatred of the U.S. -- to dump its nuclear weapons program instead of starting WW3, as fake news and all Dems were saying a few short months ago?
Nope, I'm saying Kim is playing a game that Trump doesn't understand. So is China, for that matter.
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Nope, I'm saying Kim is playing a game that Trump doesn't understand. So is China, for that matter.
I don’t think you understand the whole part of the game. Trump is starting with the idea of how much influence and economic power we have. All the countries under the US understand that and so does Trump. He’s using that to our advantage, something the loser left doesn’t want to do.
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So, what you're saying is that only a complete moron like Trump, who has no idea what he is doing, could have us on the road to getting North Korea -- a country whose entire fabric is molded on hatred of the U.S. -- to dump its nuclear weapons program instead of starting WW3, as fake news and all Dems were saying a few short months ago?
Who said North Korea was planning on dumping their weapons program?

What they've done is promised to stop tests... not too difficult, since they've pretty much demonstrated that they can build weapons. And it would not be the first time North Korea has made promises about nuclear weapons and then broken those promises.

So North Korea has given the world nothing of value, and in exchange has gotten recognition that it deserves to be at the "big boy" table.
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Who said North Korea was planning on dumping their weapons program?
Trump. So it is the official white house position.

"Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd of Fake News NBC just stated that we have given up so much in our negotiations with North Korea, and they have given up nothing. Wow, we havenít given up anything & they have agreed to denuclearization (so great for World), site closure, & no more testing!"

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Seriously! You canít turn on the TV or go online and see whatís going on? I donít have a political narrative, Iím following the news!!!
Seriously, are you that unaware that NK plays this dumb game over and over and has been doing so for decades? The only difference is that they have realised they have a soft target in the current POTUS.
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Seriously, are you that unaware that NK plays this dumb game over and over and has been doing so for decades? The only difference is that they have realised they have a soft target in the current POTUS.
Yes they do play it with weak wimply demorat presidents.
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Seriously, are you that unaware that NK plays this dumb game over and over and has been doing so for decades? The only difference is that they have realised they have a soft target in the current POTUS.
Eh, we'll see. Talking about a peace treaty is definitely new.

There is much to dislike about Trump. It's conceivable that he had a positive effect on this problem (not that he was the only reason for it, despite his bragging). If so, I'll give him that.
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Yes they do play it with weak wimply demorat presidents.
Ha ha! Yes! There have only been Democrats involved in Korea since the 50s! You have nailed them.

Honestly, do you care about simple facts any more?
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Ha ha! Yes! There have only been Democrats involved in Korea since the 50s! You have nailed them.

Honestly, do you care about simple facts any more?
Only if it makes 'leftists' (whatever that is) look bad. Otherwise; lies.
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Ha ha! Yes! There have only been Democrats involved in Korea since the 50s! You have nailed them.

Honestly, do you care about simple facts any more?
Honestly if you were informed on this, you would realize how much was given away to the North Koreans when Dems were in charge. Iím not sure why you canít automatically understand that as my point?
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Honestly if you were informed on this, you would realize how much was given away to the North Koreans when Dems were in charge. I’m not sure why you can’t automatically understand that as my point?
I’m pretty sure most here “automatically understand” your routinely-unsupported dribblings.
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Who said North Korea was planning on dumping their weapons program?

What they've done is promised to stop tests... not too difficult, since they've pretty much demonstrated that they can build weapons. And it would not be the first time North Korea has made promises about nuclear weapons and then broken those promises.

So North Korea has given the world nothing of value, and in exchange has gotten recognition that it deserves to be at the "big boy" table.
How would you define "denuclearization"? That is what is being discussed.
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How would you define "denuclearization"? That is what is being discussed.
What Iran did. You?
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This is certainly historic, the two Korean leaders playing nice, shaking hands, stepping into each others countries, talking about officially ending the war. Does this have anything to do with Trump? Maybe. It could be that he was crazy and bombastic enough to scare Kim in a way that more presidential presidents couldn't. The South Koren pres seemed to think he had something to do with it.

Of course Kim is not going to disarm, only a clueless person (or president) would think that. The outcome might be a more relaxed relationship between the Koreas though.
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Eh, we'll see. Talking about a peace treaty is definitely new.

There is much to dislike about Trump. It's conceivable that he had a positive effect on this problem (not that he was the only reason for it, despite his bragging). If so, I'll give him that.
It isn't his father held such talks.
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How would you define "denuclearization"? That is what is being discussed.
The USA and NK giving up their nuclear weapons.
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House lawmakers formally nominate Trump for 2019 Nobel Peace Prize

A group of 18 Republican lawmakers have signed their names to a letter formally nominating President Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize -- the latest development in a growing push to award the president the honor for his work toward peace in the Korean Peninsula.

The nomination is for the 2019 prize, as the 2018 award nomination period ended in February. According to the Nobel Prize's website, a nomination is considered valid if submitted by persons in certain categories -- including ďmembers of national assemblies and national governments (cabinet members/ministers) of sovereign states as well as current heads of state."

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Moon thinks Trump deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for being a "good boy" while talks were ongoing? And ramping up sanctions that have been in place in 2006?

Let's not water down the prize, I know Obama got one which was ridiculous, and this would be more deserving of the award, but still, the bar should be higher.
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"When will we see the headline: 'Trump Ends the Korean War'? Unlike Obama, he actually deserves the Nobel Peace Prize,Ē Fox News host Laura Ingraham tweeted Friday morning.
Maybe it evaded your keen sense of insight, but anyone can nominate anyone for a Nobel Prize provided that the person being nominated is alive.

Therefore, even if Trump were to be formally nominated for a Nobel Prize, that really does not mean anything special.
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Maybe it evaded your keen sense of insight, but anyone can nominate anyone for a Nobel Prize provided that the person being nominated is alive.

Therefore, even if Trump were to be formally nominated for a Nobel Prize, that really does not mean anything special.

Wrong!

According to the Nobel Prize's website, a nomination is considered valid if submitted by persons in certain categories -- including ďmembers of national assemblies and national governments (cabinet members/ministers) of sovereign states as well as current heads of state."
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Moon thinks Trump deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for being a "good boy" while talks were ongoing?
More like he deserves a nobel peace prize for not bombing North Korea and making them retaliate with bombing the south.

Moon is far more afraid of Trump than he is of Kim, and showering Trump with praise might just make him less likely to not escalate the conflict when it becomes obvious Kim isn't going to give up his nukes.
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Honestly if you were informed on this, you would realize how much was given away to the North Koreans when Dems were in charge. Iím not sure why you canít automatically understand that as my point?
What was given away?
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