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22nd September 2018, 12:40 PM | #1 |
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Standing (or not) for the Australian National Anthem
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22nd September 2018, 12:57 PM | #2 |
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It's time this kind of petty nationalism was phased out.
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22nd September 2018, 01:08 PM | #3 |
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Pauline Hanson is a she, and a right wing nutjob.
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22nd September 2018, 01:08 PM | #4 |
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Times change, populations change, occupants change. Should Americans still revere the British Empire as the true rightful rulers? Should African nations unincorperate? Perhaps no one should ever build on a currently vacant lot because it may have been where another family once lived?
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22nd September 2018, 02:06 PM | #6 |
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Is playing the National Anthem at school assembly a regular thing in Australia? Wouldn't surprise me in the USA, where it seems it is played at the drop of a hat (before opening a theme park in the morning, was my first encounter), but I'd have thought Australia was more like the UK, where it's only played at state occasions and international sporting events. (I'm old enough to remember it being played after the last film each night at the cinema, but that also had the effect of causing everyone to stand, so they were then ready to leave.)
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22nd September 2018, 09:00 PM | #8 |
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It may have changed, but the anthem was played every Monday morning when my kids went to primary school. I don’t think it’s played at all at high schools.
This is a huge meh to me. Lots of people refused to stand for “God save the queen” before we dumped it. It was replaced by the decidedly uninspiring “Advance Australia Fair”. But, seriously, we are not a terribly patriotic nation. Most of us stand out of politeness, but there’s no hand on heart stuff here. As for the schoolgirl, I don’t think it’s correct that the anthem is only for the (diminishing) white population at all. But I couldn’t care less about her standing or not. I don’t see her as particularly courageous, rather as showing off. |
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22nd September 2018, 09:06 PM | #9 |
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I thought the Australian national anthem was Men at Work's "Down Under."
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22nd September 2018, 09:10 PM | #10 |
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22nd September 2018, 10:38 PM | #11 |
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22nd September 2018, 10:56 PM | #12 |
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23rd September 2018, 08:28 AM | #13 |
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I'm sorry they didn't settle on Waltzing Matilda. Having a national anthem featuring a criminal is nearly as good as having one with bombs and rockets in it, and it's more singable than ours.
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23rd September 2018, 12:03 PM | #14 |
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An American company owns the rights to the song, or not.
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23rd September 2018, 01:50 PM | #16 |
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Even "fair" could be racist, as it originally referred to posh white women who didn't even get tanned from having to work outdoors in the sun. They just did embroidery and sipped tea (apart from during their fainting fits at the very mention of the work 'ankle') during the lighter hours and played tennis and croquet only at dusk. Unless it's in the sense of 'equal' or 'not cheats', but that hardly seems likely where Aus is concerned.
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23rd September 2018, 06:27 PM | #17 |
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Waltzing Matilda is a story of vagrancy, grand theft, animal cruelty, class inequality, police brutality, and ultimately suicide and ghost stories.
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23rd September 2018, 06:30 PM | #18 |
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23rd September 2018, 06:55 PM | #19 |
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Didn't they used to play God Save the King/Queen in cinemas in England? Or was that just Canada?
Here, we have the "King's Anthem" at cinemas. With the new king came a new song. The television and radio stations still play the version most are familiar with, as do the schools (every morning, 08:00 promptly at schools across the country, every* radio station in the country (FM/AM) and every television station on the broadcast bands. Pay cable is exempt. *I've mentioned in other threads that at 07:59 if I'm not sitting in the parking lot at Marcello's school, I go on high alert. Older drivers who don't just zone the anthem out have been known to actually instinctively hit the brakes when the anthem is being played. (If you're walking on the street or in a hallway and the anthem comes over some nearby speakers you stop and stand respectfully 'til it's over.) The argument here was like the Orthodox Jews arguing with the ultra Orthodox Jews as to whether driving was permissible on the sabbath. |
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25th September 2018, 08:05 PM | #20 |
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The Advance Australia Fair is racist. That's all there is to it. It ignores the indigenous cultures that were here long before European settlement, it doesn't represent modern Australia, and it has lost its connection to social and political attitudes. And it's just a poorly-written and uninspiring song. It should be replaced with something more appropriate and inclusive, and as soon as possible. Maybe on the same day that Australia Day is moved to.
It wasn't all that long ago that the anthem was sexist as well as racist. The original first line was "Australia's sons let us rejoice" and that's the version I had to sing at weekly assemblies in primary school. |
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Canada stopped doing God Save the King/Queen in the late 40s in schools. My parents told me the system was "O Canada" in the morning, and depending on the school, "God Save the King/Queen" either immediately after, or immediately before the afternoon announcements. It stopped around the same time that Canadian citizenship became a thing, vice the former "British Subject resident in the Dominion of Canada".
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Banjo Paterson died in 1941, so the Australian copyright on his original lyrics would have expired at the end of 1991. Christina Macpherson died in 1936, so the tune itself had already expired at the end of 1986 (those dates would be 2011 and 2006 respectively for countries with 70 year term). As a work of foreign origin, the American copyright on the original tune/lyrics would have been restored under GATT to 95 years after publication, i.e. 1998 based on the 1903 piano score.
In the case of the use at the Atlanta games in 1996, it does depend on which version they played as to whether a valid royalty payment was due, but certainly there would be no problem with anyone using the Macpherson/Paterson version now. |
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26th September 2018, 04:51 AM | #24 |
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I don't stand for the UK national anthem having no interest in God, the Queen or crushing rebellious Scots.
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26th September 2018, 07:24 AM | #28 |
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Ours is pants. It requires me to sing about two things I don't believe in and it's in a lousy time signature and is not, in the least, rousing.
The French one's brilliant. Even the song the Irish sing before rugby (Ireeeeland, IREEELAND etc.) is uplifting. Ours is just a depressing genuflection towards the person with the most objectionable lineage. |
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27th September 2018, 01:08 AM | #37 |
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You should hear ours.
Or maybe you are Dutch. In that case. Yup. It's really depressing. I kind of like the old Soviet anthem. Now that one sounds inspiring! No idea what they're singing (most likely up with the socialists and down with the capitalists), but it's the tone we're talking about now. The French one sounds good as well. I don't believe I've ever sang our anthem, or was asked to sing it. No standing for the flag either (one exception, but that later). Exceptions are when in international sports matches and things like that. But for the rest? Certainly not in school. Even during my time in the army every morning with the raising of the flag (and for the likes of me, I really don't remember if the anthem was played during that time), we all (NCO's included) stood there waiiting till that nonsense was over so that we could go on and do some usefull stuff. We don't need it. We already know we are Dutch. |
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At school in England I used to make a point of only singing selected words in the national anthem, being as I didn’t believe in god nor did I want the queen to be saved.
Of course, being a citizen of two countries with which England (and later the UK) had spent centuries arguing militarily had coloured my opinions from an early age. |
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I couldn't care less and, despite disagreeing with everything it represents, will happily stand for the UK national anthem out of respect for others around me. It really is no skin off of my nose and sit down protests achieve nothing.
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