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Old 7th October 2016, 11:10 PM   #561
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Originally Posted by EHocking View Post
The ABC's Promise Tracker, is an interesting tool.

Since the 2013 election, the Coalition has broken 24% of their election promises, 10% are stalled.
38% have been delivered as promised and the remaining 27% are in progress.

Labor though, does markedly worse on their 2016 election promises than the Coalition.
You may be right, but I will bet Turnbull does not contest the next election. I was right about Abbott.
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Old 20th October 2016, 02:18 AM   #562
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Can you believe the carry on by the Government in Parliament this week.
We have old jellyback Turnbull unable to fully deny anything in case he upsets the right of his party.
We have the ex PM Abbott denying he did a deal with Leyonhjelm when he was PM. Even thought there are emails to the contrary.
We then had Jellyback agree that a deal was done and the PMs office knew about it, but it is now off.
The ex PM then castigating Labor for bringing this up. It is like the old Fawlty Towers episode where Basil was telling the spoon salesman to shut up but claims he was talking to Polly and looking at him.
So Abbott was talking to Turnbull but looking at Labor. Unbelievable.
How long has Jellyback got?
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Not long I believe.
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I think thee Liberals will have problems trying to replace Turnbull. He replaced one leader who was a failure. Now to admit he too is a failure would be very hard. I suggested he will last election is held in a government electrete. Then the government loses its majority and a general election is held.
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I think this explains it.
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Furthermore, being ousted and then re-backstabbing his ouster is exactly what he said he would never do, when he stood against Kevin Rudd.
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Old 25th October 2016, 07:34 PM   #567
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
I suggested he will last election is held in a government electrete. Then the government loses its majority and a general election is held.
Far from talking about polarized dielectric materials (electret - the closest word I could find to electrete in Google), I surmise that you are predicting that the government will last until the next by-election (in a coalition held seat).

However, I doubt that Turnbull would call an election that he would almost certainly lose before he has to (although I have been right about his ego in the past). He only just scraped through the last one and his ratings have fallen since then.

More likely he will struggle along in a minority government for as long as possible (and bleat about an "obstructionist" opposition all the while). If he can do a deal with one of the independents then he can be safe from censure motions or the defeat of the budget.
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Old 6th December 2016, 01:08 AM   #568
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From my hero to **** bloke list in 5 seconds.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...47e9a4b8d937ff

**** you, Dick.
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Old 6th December 2016, 01:10 AM   #569
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
From my hero to **** bloke list in 5 seconds.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...47e9a4b8d937ff

**** you, Dick.
I get the Murdoch firewall. Do you have another link?
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
From my hero to **** bloke list in 5 seconds.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...47e9a4b8d937ff

**** you, Dick.
He must be going senile
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Plenty of media reporting on it. Cant dind the full video yet but I found Dicks arguments tweeted by the Drum to be inane.

https://twitter.com/abcthedrum/statu...26261952770048
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Plenty of media reporting on it. Cant dind the full video yet but I found Dicks arguments tweeted by the Drum to be inane.

https://twitter.com/abcthedrum/statu...26261952770048
Thanks. Unlike you, I always thought Smith was a ****. He singlehandedly destroyed the Australian electronics industry (yes, it would have happened anyway). He's an idiot of the highest order.
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I liked the adventurer thing. Loved seeing him doing the dowsing test on TV with Randi. I enjoyed the stores in their old format. I think it was Wooloies that turned them into just another electronic appliance outlet before an equity group plundered what remained, stole from mum and dad investors and pushed it to the edge of a cliff.

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So this pathetic government now presides over a shrinking economy. The first dip since the GFC. Naturally Morrison is blaming Labor.

This result is largely due to lack of confidence in the economy by investors. Isn't the government supposed to foster confidence? Lead and inspire?

Turnbull and Co are disgraceful.
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One Nation Split

WA Senator Rod Culleton has quit Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party and Pauline Hanson basically said "good riddance".

Sen. Culleton has been a thorn in Pauline's side almost from the moment he took his seat in the Senate. He refused to tow the leaders line and voted his own way on each of the bills that came through the Senate. He also frequently spoke out against Ms Hanson and her party.

When the Senate voted to send him to the High Court to argue that he wasn't in violation of section 44 of the constitution (eligibility to sit in the Senate) Pauline Hanson spoke in favour of the motion even though the Senate hadn't seen the case against him. Obviously, she would rather have a more compliant Senator representing WA.

Sen. Culleton is still waiting for a high court ruling on his eligibility. He is also in the midst of a hearing to determine if he will be made bankrupt. Either case could end his short career in the Senate.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-1...-party/8130848
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I'm having a nagging sense of deja vu...
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I wonder if it is a characteristic of populistic parties to split soon after they get elected? Or is it due to Pauline not knowing that you defend members of your own party? Lessons for other one nation senators?
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Old 22nd December 2016, 02:02 AM   #578
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
Or is it due to Pauline not knowing .....
That's the definitive answer.
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Probably does a mean bettered sav.
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If anyone is interested I just started a thread over in trials and errors about The Claremont Serial Killings and todays arrest.
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Looking back on the current gutless government, I was reflecting on the achievements of the Hawke government. Unlike now, the economy was precarious. Yet Hawke:

Floated the dollar
Reformed tariffs and reformed industry
Privatised government enterprises (inc Comm Bank)
Introduced Fringe Benefit and Capital Gain taxes
Implemented the Accord
Introduced universal superannuation
Reformed income tax (I was once paying 60% marginal tax, and I'm not rich)
Poured money into public housing, health and education
Introduced the Sex Discrimination and EEO Acts
Got serious about indigenous land rights
Got serious about the environment (Franklin Dam first off)

I'm sure others can add more.

What has the Abbott/Turnbull government's achieved?

Bueller? Anyone?
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They've approved a couple of new mines.
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They've approved a couple of new mines.
I suppose they have also re-established the union witch-hunt Royal Commission. Hasn't that excited public interest.
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Looking back on the current gutless government, I was reflecting on the achievements of the Hawke government. Unlike now, the economy was precarious. Yet Hawke:

Floated the dollar
Reformed tariffs and reformed industry
Privatised government enterprises (inc Comm Bank)
Introduced Fringe Benefit and Capital Gain taxes
Implemented the Accord
Introduced universal superannuation
Reformed income tax (I was once paying 60% marginal tax, and I'm not rich)
Poured money into public housing, health and education
Introduced the Sex Discrimination and EEO Acts
Got serious about indigenous land rights
Got serious about the environment (Franklin Dam first off)

I'm sure others can add more.

What has the Abbott/Turnbull government's achieved?

Bueller? Anyone?
A similar list could be made for other Labor Governments. The most famous one, of course was between 1972-75. Though how true is this of Gillard and Rudd?
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Culleton bankrupt

Senator Rod Culleton has been ruled bankrupt today by Justice Michael Barker in the Federal court over a $280,000 debt owed to Perth businessman, former Wesfarmers director Dick Lester. The judge has also ordered the seizure of Culleton's estate but stayed the order for 21 days. If this ruling sticks then Culleton must resign from the Senate.

There was never any prospect of Justice Barker ruling differently. He even refused to order the removal of two men who entered the court in breach of a violence restraining order. Culleton has said that he will appeal.

Who replaces Culleton in the Senate still depends on the High Court ruling on his eligibility to run for Senate due to his conviction in absentia in NSW over a set of car keys. If the High Court rules against Culleton then Culleton's brother in law, Peter Georgiou stands to be elected in his stead. Otherwise, Pauline gets to choose his successor. (I bet she is not so pleased about sending him to the High Court now).

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...b2caee939ea06c
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A similar list could be made for other Labor Governments. The most famous one, of course was between 1972-75. Though how true is this of Gillard and Rudd?
I'm talking about Abbott/Turnbull. I was disappointed with Rudd/Gillard, but NDIS alone trumps all the current jerks have done.
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Senator Rod Culleton has been ruled bankrupt today by Justice Michael Barker in the Federal court over a $280,000 debt owed to Perth businessman, former Wesfarmers director Dick Lester. The judge has also ordered the seizure of Culleton's estate but stayed the order for 21 days. If this ruling sticks then Culleton must resign from the Senate.

There was never any prospect of Justice Barker ruling differently. He even refused to order the removal of two men who entered the court in breach of a violence restraining order. Culleton has said that he will appeal.

Who replaces Culleton in the Senate still depends on the High Court ruling on his eligibility to run for Senate due to his conviction in absentia in NSW over a set of car keys. If the High Court rules against Culleton then Culleton's brother in law, Peter Georgiou stands to be elected in his stead. Otherwise, Pauline gets to choose his successor. (I bet she is not so pleased about sending him to the High Court now).

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...b2caee939ea06c
A train wreck.
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A train wreck.
It seems to me that the constitution is working as it should.
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I think lionking was referring to the One Nation party as a train wreck.
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I think lionking was referring to the One Nation party as a train wreck.
Probably but this is nothing new. Upstart parties often have problems with in-fighting once any of their members get elected.
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Probably but this is nothing new. Upstart parties often have problems with in-fighting once any of their members get elected.
Far, far too charitable. The party didn't even screen Culleton. To pre-select someone with two possible grounds for disqualification is not down to bad luck or inexperience. It's utter incompetence.
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To pre-select someone with two possible grounds for disqualification is not down to bad luck or inexperience. It's utter incompetence.
You were expecting something better from Pauline Hanson?
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Far, far too charitable. The party didn't even screen Culleton. To pre-select someone with two possible grounds for disqualification is not down to bad luck or inexperience. It's utter incompetence.
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You were expecting something better from Pauline Hanson?
That does beg the question how can you screen a person for this? Imagine he was an otherwise decent human standing for one of the major parties. A person can have a debt and be able to show that it can be repaid. Then six months later the situation changes and the person who is owed the money thinks the debt cannot be repaid.
As for his criminal conviction, that appears to have been a misunderstanding of some sort. It has been squashed. Again hard to screen for.

I do admit he probably was stupid to have got himself in those situations. But that is not the point.
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I do admit he probably was stupid to have got himself in those situations.
Culleton's debt related to a failed busines deal between his company and Dick Lester's company which cost Lester's company $200,000 in lost rent. Somehow the corporate veil was pierced and Culleton was held personally liable for this loss.

Details are sketchy now but it appears that Culleton's abysmal company record keeping and his tendency to rely on FOTL defences contributed to him being made personally liable.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
You were expecting something better from Pauline Hanson?
To be fair, she is not exactly inexperienced.
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Old 8th January 2017, 03:25 AM   #597
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One nation loses another one

Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
To be fair, she is not exactly inexperienced.

Pauline Hanson has had to shed another candidate. This time it's Shan Ju Lin over some anti-gay remarks made on facebook:
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Ms Lin was dumped on Saturday night after a number of Facebook posts, including saying that "gays should be treated as patients" and "abnormal sex behaviour leads to abnormal crime".

In another post, Ms Lin mocked outgoing US President Barack Obama's LGBTI policies using a digitally manipulated picture of him in drag.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-0...ju-lin/8168388

So, experienced or not, Pauline Hanson isn't learning.
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I don't know what I find stranger in that story, that One Nation had a candidate who was Asian or that the party is pro-lgbt.
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It's all a socialist plot.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-pol...09-gto8q6.html

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"But let's understand that there are people out there who wish to destroy free enterprise and those who stick up for it. Whereas socialism, which is always on the march, if you expose it, it can be defeated. And be under no illusions, whenever you see some of these arguments come to the fore, there will always be an ideological component," the former member for Mackellar told Sky News.

"But what's this got to do with socialism?" pressed host Laura Jayes.

"A lot, a lot. Socialists will always blame anyone but themselves."
I would test this with my irony meter but the explosion could hurt innocent people in a ten kilometer radius.

If you wanted to blame someone for this you might start with who leaked the information to The Australian and who would benefit from the leak. The Australian is already running a story about a former health minister whose name starts with Tony waiting in the wings for a place in cabinet.
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
It's all a socialist plot.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-pol...09-gto8q6.html



I would test this with my irony meter but the explosion could hurt innocent people in a ten kilometer radius.

If you wanted to blame someone for this you might start with who leaked the information to The Australian and who would benefit from the leak. The Australian is already running a story about a former health minister whose name starts with Tony waiting in the wings for a place in cabinet.
Great CT. I hope you are right.
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