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22nd September 2015, 09:12 AM | #81 |
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The stupid politicians of the major parties are of little account if they are back benchers. They merely count as votes during a parliamentary division.
The stupid independent politicians can be more harmful when (as now) they hold the balance of power. Even so, it's still better than giving the Libs carte blanche to implement their agenda. |
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AFAIK there is no proposal to require candidates to pass a minimum threshold of primary votes to get elected.
The idea is that voters should set their own preferences either above or below the line rather than leave it to the parties to allocate preferences on the voters' behalf. |
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I think the only way is optional preferential voting, like they have in NSW. This means you only vote for who you want in the reps and a minimum number in the senate. You have of course got to educate the masses to not vote above the line. Better still ban voting above the line. Think that will happen
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23rd September 2015, 09:15 AM | #86 |
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That is part of the plan.
That is the other part of the plan. You would still be able to vote above the line but you would have to (optionally) number your preferences above the line as well. The idea is that if a candidate is going to get in with preferences then these preferences would have to come from the voters and not the political parties. |
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I doubt he has such a trigger. Assuming the GG does their job properly, they would probably tell Turnbull that he has to actually attempt to govern first.
Good thing Xenophon isn't in that list. He won his seat fair and square. I don't know if they'll change above the line voting, the system works perfectly fine for the major parties since it's the easiest option to vote. Optional preferential voting, especially above the line, seems like a great change to the way things are done but I don't think that will pass. Or if it does, since it seems to be preferred by the Greens and Xenophon, who in the last election didn't get a second senate seat because of the preference deals, it might be on the table. I think however that any Senate "reform" will probably pass with a minimum primary vote amount, making the system rather meaningless. |
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Have you got any evidence for this? I don't see any proposals for a minimum primary vote being discussed ATM.
It wouldn't be necessary anyway. If the micro-parties can't simply swap preferences and have to rely on voters following a how to vote card then it will be harder for them to get a seat. If I vote for the Marijuana party, under optional preferential voting, I don't have to place a preference somewhere for the Sex Prohibition party (which is currently the case) or some even worse party (like the Liberals). |
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And, just in case you had thought that our Government were any less committed to making fools of themselves at every opportunity under Turnbull, along comes the "Preventing Violent Extremism and Radicalisation in Australa" booklet from the AG's department with it's timely warning on the sinister consequences of becoming involved with 'the alternative music scene' and environmental activism.
http://www.livingsafetogether.gov.au...-australia.pdf |
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It's all frighteningly McCarthyish.
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Morrison off to a bad start. He is channeling Abbott and Hockey already.
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If I hadn't already lost my job in the aid sector, I would probably be about to.
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case study from the booklet..
Karen grew up in a loving family who never participated in activism of any sort. When she moved out of home to attend university Karen became involved in the alternative music scene, student politics and left-wing activism. In hindsight she thinks this was just “typical teenage rebellion” that went further than most. One afternoon Karen attended an environmental protest with some of her friends. It was exhilarating, fun and she felt like she was doing the ‘right thing’ for society. She enjoyed spending time with this crowd. Over the next six months Karen progressively dropped out of university in order to live full-time in a forest camp, where she remained for a year. Her family were confused and disappointed and stopped supporting her financially. How can I take advantage of this young girls confused and vulnerable state if they don't include a phone number? |
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I think I might have taken things from opinion pieces I read a while back have somehow turned into "facts".
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The Poll Bludger has updated the bludgertrack. As expected there has been a large swing to the coalition, which is not surprising since people actually like Turnbull.
It's also the first time in a long while that the Liberals have actually outpolled Labor, which was last like this for a short time after the election. Labor will probably have to dump Shorten now, since "not being Tony Abbott" isn't a selling point any more. |
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The Labor party can just wait for awhile until Turnbull puts his foot in it. Remember after the election Abbott was still popular. It takes sometime before people realise how bad a PM is.
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As much as Id like to, I wouldnt count out Shorten just yet.
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Well, yes. As a Hitman. But as already said, the "I am not Abbott" will simply not work now. Labor needs things called, now what is that word... oh yes, Policies if they want to compete.
Abbott had none, but it did not matter because Rudd/Gillard smelt so bad that a dead Guppy could have won the last election. Labor in opposition have essentially played the same game. It is time to change, come out, and actually say what they intend to do if they move to the Government benches. I will not hold my breath. Norm |
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The Blot got thoroughly lambasted nationwide for his "gushy love letter" to his dear friend Abbott. And deservedly so - it was suspiciously close to being beyond just a bromance. And with the Hadley interview this morning being equally icky, it does show everyone just who his friends were and what an awesomely inappropriate moron Abbott was to be our PM.
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I think Media Watch may have said it best, when they said that it seems that people like Bolt and Jones (who has also been having hissy fits) are starting to learn that even most conservatives don't think the way they do.
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It may no longer be Tony Abbott but it is still a Liberal government.
Their latest act of corporate obeisance is to make laws that shield large corporations from tax transparency.
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Who else feels that the statements by the Director of the Parramatta Mosque, Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten was stupid and not thought through. That statement was along the lines of "If you don't like Australia's laws and way of life you can leave".
If I was a young radicalised Muslim not liking Australia where would I most likely go to? To ISIS of course. And do you think that the Australian Government would allow that. I would have thought that those 3 would have had their brains in gear before their mouths. |
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Reminds me of the Russell Brand clip:
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I read with amusement today that Turnbull was laughed at when he said at a Liberal Party conference that the Party wasn't run by factions. Those people who were laughing at him? They were the factions.
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Metadata laws go into effect.
Australia's metadata laws went into effect today. The Abbott government bill received bipartisan support back in March when, with the support of the ALP, the bill passed the Senate by 43 votes to 16. (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-32061421).
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Ironically, he was charged with implementation of the bill by his former master Tony Abbott although he managed to make the bill a little less broad.
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