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The issue is in cases where there are a limited set of positions, using your genetic heritage as a differentiator. Should being of British Royalty help you?
Of course, then that brings up the question on whether that heritage has historically been a disadvantage, or in some cases currently is - due to human bias, if not institutional. Then the further question becomes how far back to go to correct wrongs, and also whether recruiting to increase diversity increases the educational experience of all members. As in all things, there aren't easy answers. IMO. |
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Make up your mind. First you said that the culture being appropriated had to have been oppressed, which I addressed, and then you said that "the minority culture is denied opportunity to exploit their own heritage", which I denied, and then you switched to "I'm saying they are denied access through other systematic problems that members of the dominant culture do not face while selling something developed through that culture", which is no longer about cultural appropriation. You don't seem to know what you're arguing.
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It is called clarification. The oppression is the systematic denial of access. That is cultural appropriation. I tried to speed through it, but I wasn't clear. It is why the adoption of rock n roll (while record producers denied contracts to African americans) and hair braids (Jenner is a trendsetter while women are harangued for violating dress policy for decades) are appropriation.
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A sticky wicket indeed.
If you go back to 1890s, at least one of my kids' ancestors was on the "Final Rolls of Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory." Between then and the 1990s, her descendants became more-or-less fully assimilated into mainstream white American Christian culture. At what point were various historical wrongs finally righted? Hard to say. p.s. I'm still unclear on why people think Sen. Warren did something wrong. |
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How about this definition...
Where people from a group that oppressed or oppresses another group mimics or represents cultural artifacts or manners of the oppressed group in a way that expresses or reinforces psychological elements of the racist ideology inherent in the colonialist project responsible for the oppression. |
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As long as she doesn't attempt to install slot machines in the Senate chamber she'll be OK.
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That'd mean that every human on Earth would be owed reparations by someone, just because an ancestor of theirs was wronged by someone at some time.
Yes, another case of a "principle" you want to push to its full, logical and ridiculous limit, pragmatic and reasonable considerations be damned. |
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Why stop at humans? Let's pay the remaining Bison reparations.
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Diversity admissions and hiring in academia is in a stupid place right now. Both Warren and Harvard participated cynically in this stupidity. In the end, their behavior didn't mean much. But it does let Warren in for some pointing and laughing. The epithet, "Fauxcahontas", is the stupid prize she won. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and leaving a paper trail, basically.
There's really no way for her to fix it, I think. Other than going back in time and not putting it on her application. The genie is already out of the bottle. |
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