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Old 21st January 2021, 04:45 AM   #3401
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A diplomatic row has broken out between the UK and EU over the status of the bloc's ambassador in London.

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The UK is refusing to give Joao Vale de Almeida the full diplomatic status that is granted to other ambassadors.

The Foreign Office is insisting he and his officials should not have the privileges and immunities afforded to diplomats under the Vienna Convention.

It is understood not to want to set a precedent by treating an international body in the same way as a nation state.

As it stands, the ambassador would not have the chance to present his credentials to the Queen like other diplomatic heads of mission.

The British decision is in marked contrast to 142 other countries around the world where the EU has delegations and where its ambassadors are all granted the same status as diplomats representing sovereign nations.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55742664

The UK supported this position whilst in the EU and now doesn't.

It costs the UK nothing to do this, in line with every other country in the world. It is petty, ideological conflict for its own sake.

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Old 21st January 2021, 05:24 AM   #3402
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
A diplomatic row has broken out between the UK and EU over the status of the bloc's ambassador in London.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55742664

The UK supported this position whilst in the EU and now doesn't.

It costs the UK nothing to do this, in line with every other country in the world. It is petty, ideological conflict for its own sake.
It's provoking conflict with the EU for no other reason than the hope it will get a positive headline in the Daily Mail.
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Old 21st January 2021, 05:26 AM   #3403
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Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
It's provoking conflict with the EU for no other reason than the hope it will get a positive headline in the Daily Mail.
If we refuse to recognise EU driving licenses doesn't the issue of diplomatic immunity go away?
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Old 21st January 2021, 06:18 AM   #3404
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
A diplomatic row has broken out between the UK and EU over the status of the bloc's ambassador in London.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55742664

The UK supported this position whilst in the EU and now doesn't.

It costs the UK nothing to do this, in line with every other country in the world. It is petty, ideological conflict for its own sake.
No because, in the EU the poor benighted UK was forced at gunpoint to sign international agreements, while it was clear they never actually wanted to. So now they have their sovereignty back any international agreements signed in that time can be safely ignored at will.
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Old 21st January 2021, 07:15 AM   #3405
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Originally Posted by lomiller View Post
Catching fewer fish is better for the ocean ecosystem, but fish certainly won't be able to spawn in peace just because no one bothers to catch them in UK waters. Fish don't know where the border is and most will routinely cross that border as part of their normal migrations. If fishing in UK waters drops off more fish can and will be caught on the EU side of that border.
And yet fish distributions have been moving northwards for years. Could be climate change, could be as a result of Detailed Studies and Preparatory Planning for the Piscatorial Post-Brexit Opportunities and Challenges as available on the gov.uk website.
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Old 21st January 2021, 08:15 AM   #3406
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And yet fish distributions have been moving northwards for years. Could be climate change, could be as a result of Detailed Studies and Preparatory Planning for the Piscatorial Post-Brexit Opportunities and Challenges as available on the gov.uk website.
We will be happy to welcome expat fish here in Norway!
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Old 21st January 2021, 01:39 PM   #3407
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I would be lying, though, if I said, I didn't feel any schadenfreude concernig this whole salvo shooting one's own feet.
I think it's even better than that - there's a hugely karmic feel to it from outside, with the Poms' hubris having finally caught up with them, and it doesn't taste anything like what they expected.

Too many people in the world look back with rose-tinted spectacles and the reality isn't quite how they saw it.
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Old 21st January 2021, 02:28 PM   #3408
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I think it's even better than that - there's a hugely karmic feel to it from outside, with the Poms' hubris having finally caught up with them, and it doesn't taste anything like what they expected.

Too many people in the world look back with rose-tinted spectacles and the reality isn't quite how they saw it.
So true. So very true.
But I was trying to be a bit polite about it.
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Old 21st January 2021, 03:47 PM   #3409
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Originally Posted by erwinl View Post
...polite...
Sorry, I don't recognise that word. I'll go look it up.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 04:18 AM   #3410
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Posting this in the Brexit thread, though it could have gone into the Covid thread instead.

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France has said it is ready to provide financial support for Eurostar, whose business has been hit hard by coronavirus-related travel restrictions.

The French government is in talks with the British government over the issue, its junior transport minister said.

"The state will be at Eurostar's side in order to maintain this strategic link between our two countries," Jean-Baptiste Djebbari told a parliament committee for sustainable development on Thursday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-5...ost_type=share

One of the rationales for Brexit that the Brexiteers have not yet disowned is that EU rules prevent state support for key industries and/or companies. This announcement seems to (once again) indicate that the Brexiteers are telling porkies and any lack of state support for key industries is down to the UK government and not the EU.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 04:35 AM   #3411
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Andrew Pierce of the Daily Mail tweets

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#nissan one of the most vocal critics of Brexit now says it has given them a 'competitive edge' and will lead to more investment in Sunderland. its a vote of confidence in UK
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Old 22nd January 2021, 04:37 AM   #3412
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But it's not because Brexit is overall positive for the UK, is it.

It's because Nissan can take advantage of Brexit's damage to other UK car makers.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 05:42 AM   #3413
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Good set of tweets on the real history of fishing rights - tweets collated via threadreaderapp.



https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...153878018.html
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Old 22nd January 2021, 07:23 AM   #3414
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Posting this in the Brexit thread, though it could have gone into the Covid thread instead.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-5...ost_type=share

One of the rationales for Brexit that the Brexiteers have not yet disowned is that EU rules prevent state support for key industries and/or companies. This announcement seems to (once again) indicate that the Brexiteers are telling porkies and any lack of state support for key industries is down to the UK government and not the EU.
Of course they were. There are precise rules for state aid and option to ask Commission for exception. There was never blanket ban on it.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 07:51 AM   #3415
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Posting this in the Brexit thread, though it could have gone into the Covid thread instead.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-5...ost_type=share

One of the rationales for Brexit that the Brexiteers have not yet disowned is that EU rules prevent state support for key industries and/or companies. This announcement seems to (once again) indicate that the Brexiteers are telling porkies and any lack of state support for key industries is down to the UK government and not the EU.
Rules regarding state aid have been relaxed by a large degree due to the economic crisis.
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Old Yesterday, 03:50 AM   #3416
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No more EU messing around with our curvy bananas...

£100,000 of tariffs slapped on Fairtrade bananas from Africa threatening farmers with ruin
... Liz Truss under pressure to explain why punishing levies being charged - despite announcement that UK-Ghana deal was struck ...

... A shipment from Ghana, due this weekend, was set to pay charges of £20-25,000, taking total tariffs imposed this month through the £100,000 barrier.....

No sympathy with the farmers acting so surprised, I mean the government ran adverts on the telly in the UK saying be prepared for changes on the 1st, yeah they didn’t tell people how to be prepared, or what changes were coming but that’s just a minor detail.

It is of course Ghana’s fault - after all they believed what Truss said!
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No more EU messing around with our curvy bananas...

£100,000 of tariffs slapped on Fairtrade bananas from Africa threatening farmers with ruin
... Liz Truss under pressure to explain why punishing levies being charged - despite announcement that UK-Ghana deal was struck ...

... A shipment from Ghana, due this weekend, was set to pay charges of £20-25,000, taking total tariffs imposed this month through the £100,000 barrier.....

No sympathy with the farmers acting so surprised, I mean the government ran adverts on the telly in the UK saying be prepared for changes on the 1st, yeah they didn’t tell people how to be prepared, or what changes were coming but that’s just a minor detail.

It is of course Ghana’s fault - after all they believed what Truss said!
As someone from the government curtly told the GUARDIAN in response to its request for a comment on the news story of a Cheshire cheese maker having to possibly relocate to France because of - shall we say - problems post-Brexit, they should just read the instructions on the government Brexit pages.

For goodness sake, Darat, it is not Elizabeth Truss' fault. Point the finger where blame belongs: EU and now Ghana. Kah!
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Nigel Farage tweets

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After all the Remainer scaremongering, Nissan is here to stay as predicted.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Nigel Farage tweets

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After all the Remainer scaremongering, Nissan is here to stay as predicted.
Farage typically misremembering again, it was Nissan themselves who threatened to leave it there was no deal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54986195
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Move to EU to avoid Brexit costs, firms told
Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues

British businesses that export to the continent are being encouraged by government trade advisers to set up separate companies inside the EU in order to get around extra charges, paperwork and taxes resulting from Brexit, the Observer can reveal.

In an extraordinary twist to the Brexit saga, UK small businesses are being told by advisers working for the Department for International Trade (DIT) that the best way to circumvent border issues and VAT problems that have been piling up since 1 January is to register new firms within the EU single market, from where they can distribute their goods far more freely.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-up-shop-in-eu
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Move to EU to avoid Brexit costs, firms told
Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues

British businesses that export to the continent are being encouraged by government trade advisers to set up separate companies inside the EU in order to get around extra charges, paperwork and taxes resulting from Brexit, the Observer can reveal.

In an extraordinary twist to the Brexit saga, UK small businesses are being told by advisers working for the Department for International Trade (DIT) that the best way to circumvent border issues and VAT problems that have been piling up since 1 January is to register new firms within the EU single market, from where they can distribute their goods far more freely.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-up-shop-in-eu
This is great! It's pretty much an invasion, getting behind enemy lines, infiltrating ... D-Day very nearly! Ha! That'll show Johnny Foreigner!

In other news, we were just reading that the charges for UK/EU international house removals (which we had last May) may skyrocket if/when duty becomes payable on the value of the contents. The report we read suggested a removal between UK and Portugal that used to cost £4k would rise to £14k, though the actual charge would vary from case to case.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Move to EU to avoid Brexit costs, firms told
Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues

British businesses that export to the continent are being encouraged by government trade advisers to set up separate companies inside the EU in order to get around extra charges, paperwork and taxes resulting from Brexit, the Observer can reveal.

In an extraordinary twist to the Brexit saga, UK small businesses are being told by advisers working for the Department for International Trade (DIT) that the best way to circumvent border issues and VAT problems that have been piling up since 1 January is to register new firms within the EU single market, from where they can distribute their goods far more freely.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-up-shop-in-eu
Does this count as an admission that it was all a huge mistake? Because I don't see an other intepretation?
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