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Old 13th January 2021, 10:54 PM   #2041
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Brief video tour on their web site.
https://www.visitthecapitol.gov/
Looks like a pretty cool place.

That bit that shows different stages is cool.

As an aside I was looking at that area while watching a status bar on my screen creep towards 100% the other day, as I had no idea of where all this cool stuff is in relation to each other. I never realised you could go to the top of that Washington monument obelisk thing and there is a viewing floor.
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"I mean, you've got the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a story-book, man," Biden said.

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Old 13th January 2021, 11:00 PM   #2042
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
While I am sure you are correct, in you assumption, I will agree it needs to be filed as soon as you show me the proof the 3% are all republicans or just thick democrats
Ha ha ha! You're precious!

You should use your common sense.
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Old 13th January 2021, 11:04 PM   #2043
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
While I am sure you are correct, in you assumption, I will agree it needs to be filed as soon as you show me the proof the 3% are all republicans or just thick democrats
Some Repugylians are claiming that those who rioted at the capitol were AntiFa.
Way more that 3% of them I’d bet.
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Old 13th January 2021, 11:10 PM   #2044
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Ha ha ha! You're precious!

You should use your common sense.
Down here we call it open minded.
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"I mean, you've got the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a story-book, man," Biden said.

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Old 13th January 2021, 11:46 PM   #2045
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
While I am sure you are correct, in you assumption, I will agree it needs to be filed as soon as you show me the proof the 3% are all republicans or just thick democrats
Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Ha ha ha! You're precious!

You should use your common sense.
Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Down here we call it open minded.
Nope, down here, we call it using your noggin!
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Old 14th January 2021, 12:01 AM   #2046
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Looks like a pretty cool place.

That bit that shows different stages is cool.

As an aside I was looking at that area while watching a status bar on my screen creep towards 100% the other day, as I had no idea of where all this cool stuff is in relation to each other. I never realised you could go to the top of that Washington monument obelisk thing and there is a viewing floor.
Yep.
https://www.nps.gov/wamo/planyourvisit/fees.htm
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Old 14th January 2021, 12:06 AM   #2047
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Fortunately for all of us Trump is soon to be out of here. That means he can't manipulate the investigation. A lot of stuff is swirling around, and it might be more than a few legislators are implicated.


6 days, 12 hours and counting down.
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Old 14th January 2021, 12:09 AM   #2048
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
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People should probably coordinate if you're going to take this building
This "mostly peaceful protest" just keeps letting off those "attempted coup" vibes.
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Old 14th January 2021, 12:22 AM   #2049
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Down here we call it open minded.
Don't let it get so open that your brain falls out.
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Old 14th January 2021, 12:25 AM   #2050
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Don't let it get so open that your brain falls out.
Just replace your username with mine.


Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Ha ha ha! You're precious!
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"I mean, you've got the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a story-book, man," Biden said.

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Old 14th January 2021, 01:03 AM   #2051
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Just replace your username with mine.
But seriously, what are you being "open-minded" about? It really is a live question for you about whether or not Democrats also supported the storming of the Capitol? Is that where you're going with this?

You can't understand a polling error for what it is?

You think this is something that needs to be taken seriously?

Is it something that is going to have anyone scratching their heads over, or are you the only one, do you think?
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Old 14th January 2021, 01:07 AM   #2052
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
But seriously, what are you being "open-minded" about? It really is a live question for you about whether or not Democrats also supported the storming of the Capitol? Is that where you're going with this?

You can't understand a polling error for what it is?

You think this is something that needs to be taken seriously?

Is it something that is going to have anyone scratching their heads over, or are you the only one, do you think?
Yes I can.

Which is why I said they are probably correct.

But this is off topic, so won't bother answering any more of your posts trying to make it more so.

Edit: Apologies. Forgot the comment pointing out my posts can be un-clear.

By "They". I mean the poster I was answering and their point about the democrats could have been republicans pretending to be democrats to screw the poll.
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"I mean, you've got the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a story-book, man," Biden said.

2007 https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna16911044

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Old 14th January 2021, 01:58 AM   #2053
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Everyone who tweeted the time and location of the rally could be said to have assisted in the planning of the insurrection.
If it had been a BLM rally that turned violent, how many Republicans would be saying that the people who tweeted the time and place were as guilty as the rioters? And how many would be saying 'This is a time for national healing?'

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Old 14th January 2021, 04:22 AM   #2054
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
While I am sure you are correct, in you assumption, I will agree it needs to be filed as soon as you show me the proof the 3% are all republicans or just thick democrats
Nobody needs to show any such proof. It's called the "margin of error", which any poll has but is rarely mentioned when poll results are cited by the media or people posting in online forums. I'm not going to bother looking up this particular poll's margin of error, but 3% is generally the most commonly cited in most polls. Therefore, as angrysoba said already, there's not a whole lot of reason to believe that many Democrats support the insurrection because 3% is within the margin of error.

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ETA: By the way, those errors don't necessarily mean that some of those sampled lied about their affiliations. It could be anything. For example, the pollsters used voter registration rolls that some voters haven't bothered to update. Louisiana has a ton of registered Democrats who haven't voted that way in over 20 years. Or it could be clerical errors, or computer glitches. Anything adding up to a total that is expressed as the "margin of error"
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Old 14th January 2021, 05:28 AM   #2055
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This might be of interest, it is a playlist of videos taken by the rioters saved from parler before it got taken down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEez...aG05zj&index=2
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Old 14th January 2021, 05:36 AM   #2056
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2 off-duty Virginia cops charged for invading the capitol.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/t...nts-us-capitol

My prediction is that, once the dust settles on this thing, we're going to find that off duty or former cops made up a disproportionate number of the people who participated in this invasion.
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Old 14th January 2021, 05:54 AM   #2057
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Well...this likely would have happened anyway. Unlike protofascists like Barr or Toupee Fiasco, most DoJ prosecutors can tell the difference betweena movement that immediately tries to kill off the line of succession, invades the US capitol to disrupt the validation of the election, and kill 5 people on their first day, from a movement that mostly congregates online and has killed one person in 4 years (in Antifa's case)), or rallies in public parks streets that haven't so much as attempted to commit a single murder in 7 1/2 years (in BLM's case).

(Well, Toupee Fiasco can see the difference, but he considers one patriotic as they're for him, and the other two as treasonous because they're against him. He's quite the narcissist, after all.)
Sure, but prosecutors absolutely have a lot of discretion in how to charge these things. If a question on how hard to nail these guys comes up, DOJ lawyers are going to lean on a memo from their boss that gives very clear direction on how to exercise that discretion.

That doesn't mean they're going to run wild, but it will surely mean they will tend towards the more severe options.
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Old 14th January 2021, 06:06 AM   #2058
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
2 off-duty Virginia cops charged for invading the capitol.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/t...nts-us-capitol

My prediction is that, once the dust settles on this thing, we're going to find that off duty or former cops made up a disproportionate number of the people who participated in this invasion.
every police officer who took part in this should be fired and face crimnal charges, of course, but your huge dislike of law enforcement is showing thorugh.
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Old 14th January 2021, 06:18 AM   #2059
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every police officer who took part in this should be fired and face crimnal charges, of course, but your huge dislike of law enforcement is showing thorugh.
yes, we shouldn't let repeated examples of police enabling fascistic violence affect their reputation, that would be uncouth.

I admire your dedication to keep licking their boots even as it becomes undeniably clear that cops were either activate participants at worst, or complicit enablers at best.
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Old 14th January 2021, 06:29 AM   #2061
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The complaint also says Robertson claimed he broke no laws and was escorted in by police, “notwithstanding his previous posts that he had “attacked the government” and “took the f------ Capitol.”
https://thehill.com/regulation/court...o-capitol-riot

Off duty cop and coup participant says he's not guilty because other cops escorted him inside.

But please don't say anything mean about the police, that would be improper.
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Old 14th January 2021, 06:30 AM   #2062
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I think they're smart enough to pick out the women (ad they're almost all women) that they intend to kill - Pelosi, AOC, Omar, Tlaib, and so forth.


Also, when you consider how many Representatives there are, I imagine that if the group of people that got executed included Pelosi, AOC, Omar, Tlaib, and the Republican member from Incest County, Kentucky, that they'd consider the Republican just the cost of doing business.
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Old 14th January 2021, 06:35 AM   #2063
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
https://thehill.com/regulation/court...o-capitol-riot

Off duty cop and coup participant says he's not guilty because other cops escorted him inside.

But please don't say anything mean about the police, that would be improper.


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Rocky Mount Police officers Jacob Fracker and Thomas Robertson were arrested Wednesday, after they were photographed inside the Capitol making an obscene gesture in front of the John Stark statute(sic)


https://www.aoc.gov/explore-capitol-...art/john-stark

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News of the Battle of Lexington called Stark to war again. Appointed colonel of a regiment of New Hampshire militia, he fought in several decisive battles during the American Revolution and achieved a reputation as a leader and shrewd tactician. He was popular with his men and is remembered for his exhortations going into battle. His tactical success was due to independence and decisiveness. By ignoring orders, he engaged his men in a battle whose outcome prompted Congress to promote him to the rank of brigadier general. At the end of the American Revolution, he was elevated to major general.



WHY?!?

This guy was a hero of the Revolutionary War, why are they giving him the finger?
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US Capitol Police union head calls suspensions of officers a “knee jerk reaction”
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/s...41405979512834

Going to find out if political leadership has the spine to actually deal with the problem of right wing extremists on the police force. Going to have to tear out these fascist-friendly cops, root and stem. Now is no time for walking on eggshells about the problem.
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Old 14th January 2021, 07:24 AM   #2065
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The weird bit is the poll found 3% of Democrats did.
Maybe they just happened to call Tulsi Gabbard and assorted people in her campaign?

On the video below, Tulsi Gabbard is commenting on the Capitol building situation.

She does not allude to Trump's relevance to the event event even once. In fact, as far as I could hear, Trump's name is not mentioned a single time in an interview where half of it is on the subject of Trump's Capitol building riots. Not once!

Her take is that it's because of BLM protests, because her bill requiring paper trails did not pass (while I am for paper trails —as well as for other things we don't have—,Trump's legal team didn't seem to care about whether a state's voting system included paper trails so it's 100% certain it would have made no difference to what states they would have targeted with their frivolous lawsuits) and because conservative feelings were hurt on social media. Oh yeah, and Aloha, don't be a hater.


And some people wonder why this Trumpist bootlicker was not taken seriously at the Democratic primaries? If anything, she was taken too seriously. This is who she is.

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Old 14th January 2021, 07:32 AM   #2066
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/s...41405979512834

Going to find out if political leadership has the spine to actually deal with the problem of right wing extremists on the police force. Going to have to tear out these fascist-friendly cops, root and stem. Now is no time for walking on eggshells about the problem.
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https://www.aoc.gov/explore-capitol-...art/john-stark






WHY?!?

This guy was a hero of the Revolutionary War, why are they giving him the finger?
Because he's a Stark, and they are Lannister loyalists?
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Two men accused of driving with an AR-15 and a Samurai sword in a Q-bedazzled SUV to a Philly vote-count center are facing new legal woes after they were accused of participating in the Capitol riot while out on bail:
https://twitter.com/KELLYWEILL/statu...25689498787842

Gee, who could have seen this coming?
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Old 14th January 2021, 07:57 AM   #2069
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Because he's a Stark, and they are Lannister loyalists?


Sadly, that actually sounds like a plausible explanation.
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yes, we shouldn't let repeated examples of police enabling fascistic violence affect their reputation, that would be uncouth.

I admire your dedication to keep licking their boots even as it becomes undeniably clear that cops were either activate participants at worst, or complicit enablers at best.
Not just those tendencies - also the somewhat flexible work hours, easy access to weapons and restraints, elevated risk of domestic violence, the brazenly political leanings of many FOPs and PD unions, and so forth.

On another note, here's a propublica article discussing the open racism common among the Capitol Police, and it's connection to the insurrection attempt.
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From Ken Klippenstein, newly at The Intercept:

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FOLLOWING THE STORMING of the U.S. Capitol by Trump supporters who believed that the presidential election had been stolen, the Pentagon was quick to distance itself from the security failure, saying that it was not privy to any intelligence indicating that National Guard support would be needed. But the U.S. military had its own intelligence that anticipated election-related unrest from individuals who viewed the presidential election as fraudulent — the same individuals who stormed the Capitol — according to an internal Defense Department intelligence assessment obtained exclusively by The Intercept.
DoD knew of the dangers in advance. Obviously true, but Ken has the documents to prove it.

https://theintercept.com/2021/01/13/...ection-unrest/
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NC trooper on leave after social posts about BLM, Trump rally

Melvin tagged himself present at last week's "Stop the Steal" rally in Washington, D.C., and posted two dozen photos with the words “Time To Save America!”

In the fall, he posted about Gov. Roy Cooper's coronavirus curfew order, writing, “I will not be enforcing this.”

https://www.wral.com/nc-trooper-on-l...0359SA.twitter


Racist, anti-mask cop fired for supporting a coup. The only shocking thing about this is he might actually get fired.
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Racist, anti-mask cop fired for supporting a coup. The only shocking thing about this is he might actually get fired.
Tell me someone has photoshopped that ridiculous hat onto his picture?
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Tell me someone has photoshopped that ridiculous hat onto his picture?
Unfortunately no. This is a pretty common type of hat used by many "highway patrol" units. At least, I saw these kinds of hats a lot when I lived in the Southeast of the US.
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Tell me someone has photoshopped that ridiculous hat onto his picture?
Nope, that's a real "Highway Patrol" hat. I know it looks like Oddjob should be able to fling it and lob a statues head off with the greatest of ease, but that's not the case.
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Man seen on video throwing fire extinguisher at riot cop during the MAGA riot has been identified as a 55 year old retired firefighter from Chester, PA. He has been arrested.

This is not the same fire extinguisher bludgeoning that killed a capitol police officer.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/statu...52353881284609

I'd pay cash money to see what kind of social media was in this retiree's diet.
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Tell me someone has photoshopped that ridiculous hat onto his picture?
This is common. It is our shame. They sometimes even have the stupid chin strap that goes across the front of their chins. Please don't tease us about it anymore or we will have to remind you of some silly dressed people in your country, like barristers.
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Unfortunately no. This is a pretty common type of hat used by many "highway patrol" units. At least, I saw these kinds of hats a lot when I lived in the Southeast of the US.
To be fair, that one does a look a bit too small and it kind of just floats above his head.
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Nope, that's a real "Highway Patrol" hat. I know it looks like Oddjob should be able to fling it and lob a statues head off with the greatest of ease, but that's not the case.
Similar to a style that, if worn properly, and by a Marine Corps Drill Instructor, can be quite intimidating.
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Similar to a style that, if worn properly, and by a Marine Corps Drill Instructor, can be quite intimidating.
Very true. Marine Corps DI's know how to look intimidating. Most southern Highway Patrol fat men do not.
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