Why is Biden so disliked? - Page 2

marksman · 15th October 2012, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Although you are right that Biden is not nearly as brainless as Sarah Palin, the dislike is still a payback for the Dems (and most of the world) making fun of Palin's stupidity

Hey, I hated Biden before it was cool. I've hated Biden since I went to college with his son, and in the same year, he (father, not the son) got caught plagiarizing a speech from Neil Kinnock (and from others). That was 25 years ago.

Crap. Now I also hate Biden for making me feel old.

Tricky · 15th October 2012, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Perhaps you should look deeper into Brainster's claim to see what precisely he was claiming before you put up a scorecard.

Well, here's Brainster's claim.

Originally Posted by Brainster

He lied on every single one of the factual points which could be checked. Of course, he lied while Democrat, which is forgivable to many.

And here's Brainster's source for that claim.

Brainster · 15th October 2012, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Well, here's Brainster's claim.

And here's Brainster's source for that claim.

Here's a hint: I quoted a previous poster, who quoted a previous poster. So it is a bit "Tricky".

daredelvis · 15th October 2012, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Well, here's Brainster's claim.

Brainster's claim was in response to this link.

Originally Posted by applecorped

“I think I have a much higher I.Q. than you do I suspect. I went to law school on a full academic scholarship – the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship.”

http://washingtonexaminer.com/biden-...3#.UHtcfFQzLhU

And even though Brainster did not back up his claim, Biden dose look like super douch in that link. Thanks to eeyore1954, there was a link that backed up Brainster's claim, thus proving that in the video not only was Biden being a s.d., he was lying at the same time. If that was the only piece of evidence to draw a conclusion about Biden, I would not have a favourable opinion of him. Him acting like an idiotic jerk in a handful of instances is not surprising, him be an opinionated human and all.

Daredelvis

SezMe · 15th October 2012, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by marksman

Hey, I hated Biden before it was cool. I've hated Biden since I went to college with his son, and in the same year, he (father, not the son) got caught plagiarizing a speech from Neil Kinnock (and from others). That was 25 years ago.

Maybe you're just using strong language for effect, but isn't "hate" a pretty strong term for someone who apparently did one thing you disapprove of? And holding onto that hate for 25 years? Isn't that a bit extreme also?

Beerina · 15th October 2012, 02:10 PM

People are disliking him beyond normal political levels? I'd rather go out for drinks with him and Ryan than Romney or Obama.

His foot-in-mouth issues are humorous. He's not the first and won't be the last on that note.

BenBurch · 15th October 2012, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Beerina

People are disliking him? I'd rather go out for drinks with him and Ryan than Romney or Obama.

His foot-in-mouth issues are humorous. He's not the first and won't be the last on that note.

Yeah, but not so much Ryan. I know a lot of guys like Ryan and they aren't too much fun at parties.

marksman · 15th October 2012, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

Maybe you're just using strong language for effect, but isn't "hate" a pretty strong term for someone who apparently did one thing you disapprove of? And holding onto that hate for 25 years? Isn't that a bit extreme also?

I volunteered for his presidential campaign and it imploded because of his stupidity. I wasted my time. "Hate" may be an exaggeration -- I was just using the term Tricky was using. But I certainly lost a lot of respect for him.

Toontown · 15th October 2012, 07:05 PM

Biden isn't disliked any more than any other partisan political hack. They're all loved by the people who vote them into office and hated by everyone else whose equally objectonable pet political hacks have been forced to seek gainful employment in the private sector.

That said, Biden isn't all bad. He's definitely better than the worst people in the world, a disturbingly high proportion of whom are running what passes for countries - straight into the ground - in some cases not for the first time, such as in the case of Russia and North Korea, for example. Biden, OTOH, is taking a more circuitous route toward the augur point, while not wielding an obscene amount of ill-gotten power. For that, at least, we should be thankful

eeyore1954 · 15th October 2012, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by DavidJames

Very nice, eeyore1954 gets to decide what's the appropriate clip level for how much someone must give before they claim to care for others. What a smug ******* you are.

You do not need to be a smug ******** to make an educated guess on what amount of charitable giving would be low for someone who truly is interested in the plight of the poor.
Look at national averages for people with much lower income than Biden.
It is easy to profess a concern but if you do not back it up with action I am skeptical.

I do not believe I am a smug ********. But who knows I could be biased.

SezMe · 15th October 2012, 11:52 PM

Could it be, eeyore1954, that Joe (and/or Jill) express their concern in ways that don't appear on a Schedule A? Charity events? Volunteering? Boy Scouts? Girl Scouts? Etc.

eeyore1954 · 16th October 2012, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by SezMe

Could it be, eeyore1954, that Joe (and/or Jill) express their concern in ways that don't appear on a Schedule A? Charity events? Volunteering? Boy Scouts? Girl Scouts? Etc.

Yes and donating your time can be a major sacrifice for people. And for those who have money it is a lot harder than just writing a check. But in my opinion with his level of income (and DavidJames it is an opinion) they should be able to do both. Does it prove he is not concerned no but it certainly makes me skeptical above the level of concern.

grunion · 16th October 2012, 05:17 AM

Hard to tell out of context, but even assuming Biden's "iq" comment was "douchey" and meant to demean, how would youcompare its doucheyness with holding down a gay kid and cutting his hair off? no, it doesn't absolve biden from an ill-willed comment, but really, is that the best you can do in a lifetime of public speaking?

Though I generally don't think much of Democrats, I like Joe. yes, he is a blowhard at times, but he has a sense of humor, and he's got passion for the issues he cares about. he deserves credit for bringing Anita Hill's story to light, and he gave the best speech at the Democratic Convention, blowing away Obama's. he beat Ryan in a debate and slowed Romney's momentum. yes, he plaigiarized Kinnock, and got caught, and that was wrong. but I forgive him, as it takes balls to espouse Labour philosophy in the US.

15th October 2012, 11:48 AM	#43
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 18,358	Originally Posted by Tricky Well, here's Brainster's claim. And here's Brainster's source for that claim. Here's a hint: I quoted a previous poster, who quoted a previous poster. So it is a bit "Tricky".
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15th October 2012, 01:25 PM	#44
daredelvis Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,217	Originally Posted by Tricky Well, here's Brainster's claim. Brainster's claim was in response to this link. Originally Posted by applecorped “I think I have a much higher I.Q. than you do I suspect. I went to law school on a full academic scholarship – the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship.” http://washingtonexaminer.com/biden-...3#.UHtcfFQzLhU And even though Brainster did not back up his claim, Biden dose look like super douch in that link. Thanks to eeyore1954, there was a link that backed up Brainster's claim, thus proving that in the video not only was Biden being a s.d., he was lying at the same time. If that was the only piece of evidence to draw a conclusion about Biden, I would not have a favourable opinion of him. Him acting like an idiotic jerk in a handful of instances is not surprising, him be an opinionated human and all. Daredelvis
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15th October 2012, 02:10 PM	#46
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 30,422	People are disliking him beyond normal political levels? I'd rather go out for drinks with him and Ryan than Romney or Obama. His foot-in-mouth issues are humorous. He's not the first and won't be the last on that note.
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15th October 2012, 02:13 PM	#47
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 37,538	Originally Posted by Beerina People are disliking him? I'd rather go out for drinks with him and Ryan than Romney or Obama. His foot-in-mouth issues are humorous. He's not the first and won't be the last on that note. Yeah, but not so much Ryan. I know a lot of guys like Ryan and they aren't too much fun at parties.
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15th October 2012, 07:05 PM	#49
Toontown Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 6,595	Biden isn't disliked any more than any other partisan political hack. They're all loved by the people who vote them into office and hated by everyone else whose equally objectonable pet political hacks have been forced to seek gainful employment in the private sector. That said, Biden isn't all bad. He's definitely better than the worst people in the world, a disturbingly high proportion of whom are running what passes for countries - straight into the ground - in some cases not for the first time, such as in the case of Russia and North Korea, for example. Biden, OTOH, is taking a more circuitous route toward the augur point, while not wielding an obscene amount of ill-gotten power. For that, at least, we should be thankful
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15th October 2012, 10:49 AM	#41
marksman Reality Checker Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,001	Originally Posted by Tricky Although you are right that Biden is not nearly as brainless as Sarah Palin, the dislike is still a payback for the Dems (and most of the world) making fun of Palin's stupidity Hey, I hated Biden before it was cool. I've hated Biden since I went to college with his son, and in the same year, he (father, not the son) got caught plagiarizing a speech from Neil Kinnock (and from others). That was 25 years ago. Crap. Now I also hate Biden for making me feel old.

15th October 2012, 10:54 AM	#42
Tricky Briefly immortal Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W Bench Posts: 44,381	Originally Posted by Brainster Perhaps you should look deeper into Brainster's claim to see what precisely he was claiming before you put up a scorecard. Well, here's Brainster's claim. Originally Posted by Brainster He lied on every single one of the factual points which could be checked. Of course, he lied while Democrat, which is forgivable to many. And here's Brainster's source for that claim.

15th October 2012, 01:25 PM	#45
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 25,124	Originally Posted by marksman Hey, I hated Biden before it was cool. I've hated Biden since I went to college with his son, and in the same year, he (father, not the son) got caught plagiarizing a speech from Neil Kinnock (and from others). That was 25 years ago. Maybe you're just using strong language for effect, but isn't "hate" a pretty strong term for someone who apparently did one thing you disapprove of? And holding onto that hate for 25 years? Isn't that a bit extreme also?

15th October 2012, 02:29 PM	#48
marksman Reality Checker Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,001	Originally Posted by SezMe Maybe you're just using strong language for effect, but isn't "hate" a pretty strong term for someone who apparently did one thing you disapprove of? And holding onto that hate for 25 years? Isn't that a bit extreme also? I volunteered for his presidential campaign and it imploded because of his stupidity. I wasted my time. "Hate" may be an exaggeration -- I was just using the term Tricky was using. But I certainly lost a lot of respect for him.

15th October 2012, 08:48 PM	#50
eeyore1954 Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,758	Originally Posted by DavidJames Very nice, eeyore1954 gets to decide what's the appropriate clip level for how much someone must give before they claim to care for others. What a smug ***** you are. You do not need to be a smug **** to make an educated guess on what amount of charitable giving would be low for someone who truly is interested in the plight of the poor. Look at national averages for people with much lower income than Biden. It is easy to profess a concern but if you do not back it up with action I am skeptical. I do not believe I am a smug ******. But who knows I could be biased.
eeyore1954 Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,758	Last edited by eeyore1954; 15th October 2012 at 08:53 PM.

15th October 2012, 11:52 PM	#51
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 25,124	Could it be, eeyore1954, that Joe (and/or Jill) express their concern in ways that don't appear on a Schedule A? Charity events? Volunteering? Boy Scouts? Girl Scouts? Etc.

16th October 2012, 04:56 AM	#52
eeyore1954 Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,758	Originally Posted by SezMe Could it be, eeyore1954, that Joe (and/or Jill) express their concern in ways that don't appear on a Schedule A? Charity events? Volunteering? Boy Scouts? Girl Scouts? Etc. Yes and donating your time can be a major sacrifice for people. And for those who have money it is a lot harder than just writing a check. But in my opinion with his level of income (and DavidJames it is an opinion) they should be able to do both. Does it prove he is not concerned no but it certainly makes me skeptical above the level of concern.
eeyore1954 Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,758

16th October 2012, 05:17 AM	#53
grunion Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 9,187	Hard to tell out of context, but even assuming Biden's "iq" comment was "douchey" and meant to demean, how would youcompare its doucheyness with holding down a gay kid and cutting his hair off? no, it doesn't absolve biden from an ill-willed comment, but really, is that the best you can do in a lifetime of public speaking? Though I generally don't think much of Democrats, I like Joe. yes, he is a blowhard at times, but he has a sense of humor, and he's got passion for the issues he cares about. he deserves credit for bringing Anita Hill's story to light, and he gave the best speech at the Democratic Convention, blowing away Obama's. he beat Ryan in a debate and slowed Romney's momentum. yes, he plaigiarized Kinnock, and got caught, and that was wrong. but I forgive him, as it takes balls to espouse Labour philosophy in the US.
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