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Old 3rd October 2012, 12:37 PM   #1
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Joe Biden: Middle Class "Buried" in the last Four Years

Our gaffetastic veep is at it again:

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How they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that's been buried the last four years...?
With the much maligned "you didn't build that" slip I can at least see the case that Obama meant to say something else. What on earth was Joe Biden trying to say here?

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Originally Posted by ravdin View Post
What on earth was Joe Biden trying to say here?
Hillary in 2016?
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It's about time they were buried, the middle class has been dead since Reagan was elected.

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That's just crazy Uncle Joe Biden and we all know that his mouth operates independently of his brain.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Hillary in 2016?
Yup.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Hillary in 2016?

I can't see the democrats wanting a 73 year old candidate in any case.
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Originally Posted by ravdin View Post
With the much maligned "you didn't build that" slip I can at least see the case that Obama meant to say something else. What on earth was Joe Biden trying to say here?
That the recession has been much harder on the middle class than on the wealthy, and we need to make it easer for them.

Of course, it is being spun by the right wing as if he is saying Obama has failed. What a shock.
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
They warned me if I voted for McCain, we'd have an idiot as VP... and they were right!
He's not an idiot, he's nuts. There's a difference.
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I'm not sure I understand. Sure, "buried" was a poor word, but the middle class have been doing poorly for more than just four years...
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Of course, it is being spun by the right wing as if he is saying Obama has failed. What a shock.
Yup, those far right fringe wackos are really jumping on Biden.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Yup, those far right fringe wackos are really jumping on Biden.
Oh noes! Jay Leno is mocking Biden now! The Democrats are truly in trouble!
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Yup, those far right fringe wackos are really jumping on Biden.
Excellent point. There a few more respected and incisive political editorials than the revered Jay Leno monologue. Of course, we won't have a true measure of the gravity of this situation until Jimmy Fallon weighs in.
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Hillary in 2016?
I'd take Hillary over sarah palin or michele bachmann everyday. Hey Ziggurat, why do you think idiotic, anti intellectual women (palin, bachmann) gravitate toward your party, and become stars? Why are they consumed with so much contempt, while being soooo hypocritical? Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Excellent point. There a few more respected and incisive political editorials than the revered Jay Leno monologue. Of course, we won't have a true measure of the gravity of this situation until Jimmy Fallon weighs in.
To be fair, Jay Leno making fun of a politician during his Tonight Show monologue is unprecedented. This could be just the game-changer that the Romney campaign has been waiting for!
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Oh noes! Jay Leno is mocking Biden now! The Democrats are truly in trouble!
After all, talk show hosts are always careful never to poke fun at Democrats. I'll bet you can't even remember them cracking a joke during the Clinton-Lewinski scandal.

Sure, it's worth a joke or two. But it's still pulling a sentence or two out of context. Not even in the same universe as Romney's 47% video.
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To be fair, Jay Leno making fun of a politician during his Tonight Show monologue is unprecedented. This could be just the game-changer that the Romney campaign has been waiting for!
That's a good point. I'd be hard-pressed to come up with an instance in which a comedian ever mocked a politician, let alone a sitting vice-president.

This will be a day long remembered in the annals of politics.
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Excellent point. There a few more respected and incisive political editorials than the revered Jay Leno monologue. Of course, we won't have a true measure of the gravity of this situation until Jimmy Fallon weighs in.
And not one of his bests. I like this one better.

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Oh noes! Jay Leno is mocking Biden now! The Democrats are truly in trouble!
I never said they were in trouble because of this. In fact, it won't really matter at all: Biden is a buffoon, the economy sucks, everybody knows that, and this is nothing new. My point, which you seem either unaware of or determined to avoid, is that it's not just the right wing which interprets Biden's comments as implicating Obama, contrary to Tricky's implication.
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To be fair, Jay Leno making fun of a politician during his Tonight Show monologue is unprecedented. This could be just the game-changer that the Romney campaign has been waiting for!
And the monologue is the part of the show Jay's geezer audience is actually awake for. We're dooomed!
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I never said they were in trouble because of this. In fact, it won't really matter at all: Biden is a buffoon, the economy sucks, everybody knows that, and this is nothing new. My point, which you seem either unaware of or determined to avoid, is that it's not just the right wing which interprets Biden's comments as implicating Obama, contrary to Tricky's implication.
So lots of people misinterpreted. And?
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I'd take Hillary over sarah palin or michele bachmann everyday. Hey Ziggurat, why do you think idiotic, anti intellectual women (palin, bachmann) gravitate toward your party, and become stars? Why are they consumed with so much contempt, while being soooo hypocritical? Thoughts?
My thoughts are that you seem intent on trying to personalize this, and in changing the topic, neither of which I have any interest in doing in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
My point, which you seem either unaware of or determined to avoid,
No, I'm mocking your point. There's a difference.

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is that it's not just the right wing which interprets Biden's comments as implicating Obama, contrary to Tricky's implication.
Yes, it's the right wing, and Jay Leno. This will surely turn Romney's sagging poll numbers right around.
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My point, which you seem either unaware of or determined to avoid, is that it's not just the right wing which interprets Biden's comments as implicating Obama, contrary to Tricky's implication.
Then you should be able to find some left-wing commentators or politicians (not professional comics) who are apologizing for it or are trying to make it clear that they disagree with Biden, right?
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Then you should be able to find some left-wing commentators or politicians (not professional comics) who are apologizing for it or are trying to make it clear that they disagree with Biden, right?
Why should I do that? That's not what I claimed. Anyways, it's Joe Biden. People have long-since given up on apologizing for Biden. Pretty much everybody either just makes fun of him or ignores him. I'm not demanding that anybody do more than that.
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No, I'm mocking your point. There's a difference.
You're right, my mistake. I keep expecting whit to be part of mockery, but it's not technically required.
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Why should I do that? That's not what I claimed.
Of course. Nothing anyone replies to you is ever what you claimed.

But here's what you said:
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Yup, those far right fringe wackos are really jumping on Biden.
The implication, clear to anyone, is that it is the left wing jumping on Biden. But oh no NO! That is NOT what you meant at ALL! You're so misunderstood.
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After all, talk show hosts are always careful never to poke fun at Democrats. I'll bet you can't even remember them cracking a joke during the Clinton-Lewinski scandal.

Sure, it's worth a joke or two. But it's still pulling a sentence or two out of context. Not even in the same universe as Romney's 47% video.
I'll accept that Biden's words were taken out of context if we can agree that the man suffers from an acute case of verbal diarrhea and we can't take anything he says seriously.
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The implication, clear to anyone, is that it is the left wing jumping on Biden. But oh no NO! That is NOT what you meant at All! You're so misunderstood.
No, the obvious implication is that Leno isn't right-wing. You have created a false dichotomy: people don't have to be either right-wing or left-wing. I wouldn't describe Leno as either, I think he's pretty centrist. But unless you want to claim that he's right-wing (and you haven't done so), then his jab at Biden undermines your original point that the attack is just from the right.
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I'll accept that Biden's words were taken out of context if we can agree that the man suffers from an acute case of verbal diarrhea and we can't take anything he says seriously.
He's certainly no good at off-the-cuff comments, but if you drill past his sloppy language, his points have substance.
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Sure, it's worth a joke or two. But it's still pulling a sentence or two out of context. Not even in the same universe as Romney's 47% video.
I would really hate to be an intern at the RNC right now. The grueling hours they must have to spend poring over every video and audio clip, every quote, desperately trying to find something - anything - to make people forget the complete and utter disdain Romney expressed for half the country.
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My thoughts are that you seem intent on trying to personalize this, and in changing the topic, neither of which I have any interest in doing in this thread.
You introduced Hilary, not me. So I'm on point.


And coincidently, this is what I expect romney's talking points to be after he gets his ass handed to him. Preach accountability, but always play the victim.
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No, the obvious implication is that Leno isn't right-wing. You have created a false dichotomy: people don't have to be either right-wing or left-wing. I wouldn't describe Leno as either, I think he's pretty centrist. But unless you want to claim that he's right-wing (and you haven't done so), then his jab at Biden undermines your original point that the attack is just from the right.
"Erm... uh... what I meant was, 'Your Majesty shines out like a shaft of gold when all around is dark.'"
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He's certainly no good at off-the-cuff comments, but if you drill past his sloppy language, his points have substance.
That the middle class has been hard hit over the last four years? There's no disagreement here! It's just that most politicians running for office don't mindlessly parrot their opponent's talking points.
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This thread is the most relevant Jay Leno has been since Conan left NBC.
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I would really hate to be an intern at the RNC right now. The grueling hours they must have to spend poring over every video and audio clip, every quote, desperately trying to find something - anything - to make people forget the complete and utter disdain Romney expressed for half the country.
"Look! Over there! A five-year-old speech Obama made that the media widely reported on at the time! A joke Jay Leno made in his monologue! Please look...why aren't you looking?!"
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Originally Posted by m-n-m View Post
You introduced Hilary, not me. So I'm on point.
Context, my dear boy, context. And why so angry? Does it really pain you that someone makes fun of Joe Biden? Joe Biden, for FSM's sake! Is he really the newest sacred cow?
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Originally Posted by ravdin View Post
That the middle class has been hard hit over the last four years? There's no disagreement here! It's just that most politicians running for office don't mindlessly parrot their opponent's talking points.
Neither Biden nor Obama have denied that the last four years have been tough. That is certainly not a new meme to the Democratic camp. But the Republican meme is to add "...and it's Obama's fault". I don't think Biden was 'mindlessly parroting' that position.

And as you say, you agree with him. Most people agree with him. But yeah, it's worth a few jokes.
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Hah! That is hilarious.

He spoke the truth by mistake.
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Old 3rd October 2012, 02:19 PM   #40
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Originally Posted by ravdin View Post
I'll accept that Biden's words were taken out of context if we can agree that the man suffers from an acute case of verbal diarrhea and we can't take anything he says seriously.
I think he is just a simple truthful person who really cares about his country. I honestly don't believe Biden would be a good president, but I would love to sit around a blue collar bar with him and hear his story telling.

I'm not even sure what the hilited phrase means, but he seems to mean that the middle class has been buried by the BS that a do nothing congress has imposed on it. I somehow find it difficult to imagine that he meant that the middle class has been buried by the president...given that he would like for Obama to be re-elected.

My own opinion is that our country has stagnated because of the house and the senate's unwillingness to think outside the box. It has been 4 years of "highest priority is to make Obama a 1 term president". That's what has buried us, not Obama. As for republicans' motivations, I used to think I understood them, but now I'm not sure. I think their reasoning is a lot baser than I had ever allowed myself to believe.

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