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Old 3rd October 2012, 02:21 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
No, the obvious implication is that Leno isn't right-wing. You have created a false dichotomy: people don't have to be either right-wing or left-wing. I wouldn't describe Leno as either, I think he's pretty centrist. But unless you want to claim that he's right-wing (and you haven't done so), then his jab at Biden undermines your original point that the attack is just from the right.
In what universe is a joke in a talk show monologue an attack?
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Old 3rd October 2012, 02:26 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Tricky View Post
He's certainly no good at off-the-cuff comments, but if you drill past his sloppy language, his points have substance.

Heck, if Biden isn't the real "Joe the plumber", who is?

Other than romney, of course.
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Old 3rd October 2012, 02:29 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Tricky View Post
Neither Biden nor Obama have denied that the last four years have been tough. That is certainly not a new meme to the Democratic camp. But the Republican meme is to add "...and it's Obama's fault". I don't think Biden was 'mindlessly parroting' that position.

And as you say, you agree with him. Most people agree with him. But yeah, it's worth a few jokes.
It's worth a few jokes, as you say. He reminded the audience that they've been struggling during the exact timeframe he's been in office, while asking for their votes. It would be sad if it weren't funny.
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Old 3rd October 2012, 02:35 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by ravdin View Post
It's worth a few jokes, as you say. He reminded the audience that they've been struggling during the exact timeframe he's been in office, while asking for their votes. It would be sad if it weren't funny.
Has Obama claimed that the recovery from W's fiasco is complete? I must have missed that.

My understanding is that Obama is up front about the financial situation not being what it should be, but it will take longer to recover. If you don't believe him, then vote for Romney's ..."dunno". Plain and simple.

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Old 3rd October 2012, 02:35 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by Tricky View Post
"Erm... uh... what I meant was, 'Your Majesty shines out like a shaft of gold when all around is dark.'"
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Old 3rd October 2012, 02:37 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by Olowkow View Post
I think he is just a simple truthful person who really cares about his country. I honestly don't believe Biden would be a good president, but I would love to sit around a blue collar bar with him and hear his story telling.

I'm not even sure what the hilited phrase means, but he seems to mean that the middle class has been buried by the BS that a do nothing congress has imposed on it. I somehow find it difficult to imagine that he meant that the middle class has been buried by the president...given that he would like for Obama to be re-elected.

My own opinion is that our country has stagnated because of the house and the senate's unwillingness to think outside the box. It has been 4 years of "highest priority is to make Obama a 1 term president". That's what has buried us, not Obama. As for republicans' motivations, I used to think I understood them, but now I'm not sure. I think their reasoning is a lot baser than I had ever allowed myself to believe.
You forget that the Democrats have had a majority in the Senate for the last four years, and briefly even had a supermajority. They also controlled the House of Representatives for the first two years of Obama's presidency. So if you're unhappy with Congress' performance during that time, the Democrats are far from blameless.
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Old 3rd October 2012, 02:43 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by ravdin View Post
You forget that the Democrats have had a majority in the Senate for the last four years, and briefly even had a supermajority. They also controlled the House of Representatives for the first two years of Obama's presidency. So if you're unhappy with Congress' performance during that time, the Democrats are far from blameless.
Of course I'm disgusted with both the House and Congress. You may want to check out the claims of the so-called "supermajority". Perhaps "briefly" means a few days. There is another thread on that.
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Old 3rd October 2012, 02:54 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by Olowkow View Post
Of course I'm disgusted with both the House and Congress. You may want to check out the claims of the so-called "supermajority". Perhaps "briefly" means a few days. There is another thread on that.
By "briefly", I mean the period between 25 September 2009 (when Paul Kirk, the appointee who replaced Ted Kennedy took office) and 4 February 2010 (when Scott Brown took office after winning the special election). The Democratic caucus, which included two independents, had a 60-40 majority during that time. That would be about 4 1/2 months with a filibuster proof supermajority- substantially less than two years, but still more than a few days.
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Old 3rd October 2012, 02:57 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by ravdin View Post
By "briefly", I mean the period between 25 September 2009 (when Paul Kirk, the appointee who replaced Ted Kennedy took office) and 4 February 2010 (when Scott Brown took office after winning the special election). The Democratic caucus, which included two independents, had a 60-40 majority during that time. That would be about 4 1/2 months with a filibuster proof supermajority- substantially less than two years, but still more than a few days.
Is this correct or not?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennif...b_1929869.html
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Originally Posted by ravdin View Post
By "briefly", I mean the period between 25 September 2009 (when Paul Kirk, the appointee who replaced Ted Kennedy took office) and 4 February 2010 (when Scott Brown took office after winning the special election). The Democratic caucus, which included two independents, had a 60-40 majority during that time. That would be about 4 1/2 months with a filibuster proof supermajority- substantially less than two years, but still more than a few days.
This has been thoroughly refuted in other threads. Why keep up the charade?
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Originally Posted by ravdin View Post
The Democratic caucus, which included two independents, had a 60-40 majority during that time.
One of those "independents" had just spent pretty much the entire 2008 presidential campaign stumping for Obama's opponent, and was very close to being selected as his opponent's running mate.

I'm pretty sure he couldn't be relied on to vote in constant lockstep with the Democrats in order to override Republican filibusters.
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Originally Posted by Olowkow View Post
Seems correct to me. The article in no way contradicts what I wrote in my previous post.
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Originally Posted by Olowkow View Post
Has Obama claimed that the recovery from W's fiasco is complete? I must have missed that.
W's fiasco? Not according to Biden! He say the middle class has been buried in the last four years.

That is what is so freakin' funny. He chose four years - the exact length of time that team Obama has been in office. To blame Bush, he would have said five years or six years or more.
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One of those "independents" had just spent pretty much the entire 2008 presidential campaign stumping for Obama's opponent, and was very close to being selected as his opponent's running mate.

I'm pretty sure he couldn't be relied on to vote in constant lockstep with the Democrats in order to override Republican filibusters.
All I said is that the caucus had 60 members for a brief period of time. Not my problem who was disloyal to the party, too old and feeble to vote, etc. FWIW, I hold them blameless for not overriding any filibusters.
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W's fiasco? Not according to Biden! He say the middle class has been buried in the last four years.

That is what is so freakin' funny. He chose four years - the exact length of time that team Obama has been in office. To blame Bush, he would have said five years or six years or more.
The big Lehman Brothers crash which had such a major effect on economic markets that John McCain "suspended" his campaign (and effectively sunk it at that moment) because of it happened on September 15, 2008...four years and two weeks ago.
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It's worth a few jokes, as you say. He reminded the audience that they've been struggling during the exact timeframe he's been in office, while asking for their votes. It would be sad if it weren't funny.
Well yeah, because it was roughly four years ago that the economy went into the crapper. Pointing that out, while maybe not the most politically correct thing to do, is certainly accurate and really, nobody, Democratic or Republican, denies that. So yeah, gaffe in that he probably shouldn't have mentioned the elephant in the living room. But he did, and it is worth mining a few jokes from.

What is almost as funny, though, is that some on the Right seem to think that this overly honest assesment of the last four years somehow makes him unfit to be Vice President. Okay, maybe he wouldn't cut it as diplomat, but that's not his job.

But the essential questions remain: What would Republicans have done differently over the last four years, and what specifically will they do differently over the next four years, if elected? Those are difficult questions, and it is much easier just to point and laugh at Ol' Joe than to be just as straightforward as Ol' Joe.
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Well yeah, because it was roughly four years ago that the economy went into the crapper. Pointing that out, while maybe not the most politically correct thing to do, is certainly accurate and really, nobody, Democratic or Republican, denies that. So yeah, gaffe in that he probably shouldn't have mentioned the elephant in the living room. But he did, and it is worth mining a few jokes from.

What is almost as funny, though, is that some on the Right seem to think that this overly honest assesment of the last four years somehow makes him unfit to be Vice President. Okay, maybe he wouldn't cut it as diplomat, but that's not his job.

But the essential questions remain: What would Republicans have done differently over the last four years, and what specifically will they do differently over the next four years, if elected? Those are difficult questions, and it is much easier just to point and laugh at Ol' Joe than to be just as straightforward as Ol' Joe.
There's an opening in Benghazi.
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Speaking of comedy, Rubio had a good line.

Originally Posted by Marco Rubio
“No, don’t boo, he’s the best thing we’ve got going, guys,” Rubio said. “Because in a moment of clarity, in a brief moment of clarity, he told us what we already knew.”
Of course, he and most of the Republicans also like to tell us what we already know, that the economy has been bad since Obama took office, though they rarely mention the four months before.
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My thoughts are that you seem intent on trying to personalize this, and in changing the topic, neither of which I have any interest in doing in this thread.
lol, I'm angry? Please point that out! Stop projecting, Ziggurat. Your party and ideology is being threatened, I get it. Joe Biden is always fair game, as are all politicians. I'd still take an out of context quote from Joe Biden , than an in text quote by any of the insane republicans. Stop playing the victim card.
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There's an opening in Benghazi.
Look out, Leno, AlBell is after your job.
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
W's fiasco? Not according to Biden! He say the middle class has been buried in the last four years.

That is what is so freakin' funny. He chose four years - the exact length of time that team Obama has been in office. To blame Bush, he would have said five years or six years or more.
No, he did not say that the "middle class has been buried in the last four years."

He said the middle class had "been buried the last four years."

If someone told you a mutual acquaintance had "been buried the last four years." would you assume they had been buried IN the last four years or FOR the last four years?

Most, if not all, would read that as they have been buried for the entire four years which means the burying had to have been done before then.
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lol, I'm angry? Please point that out!
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I'd take Hillary over sarah palin or michele bachmann everyday. Hey Ziggurat, why do you think idiotic, anti intellectual women (palin, bachmann) gravitate toward your party, and become stars? Why are they consumed with so much contempt, while being soooo hypocritical? Thoughts?
All those insults aren't hurled in jest. You're actually angry. And you're directing that anger at me.

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By what? Joe Biden? I think not.

Plus, of course, you don't actually know my party or my ideology.

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Your reaction suggested you felt otherwise at the time.

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I'd still take an out of context quote from Joe Biden , than an in text quote by any of the insane republicans.
That's nice.

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I'm not a victim. Your attacks have in no way harmed me. I just think you've somewhat embarrassed yourself by getting so upset over my joke about Biden. And you don't seem to have the self-awareness to realize this.
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He chose four years - the exact length of time that team Obama has been in office.
You might want to check your calendar. It seems to be running a little fast.
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Our gaffetastic veep is at it again:



With the much maligned "you didn't build that" slip I can at least see the case that Obama meant to say something else. What on earth was Joe Biden trying to say here?

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That the United States is still in an economic depression? Which it in fact is. How is this in any way a gaffe?
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The middle class will all rise out of their graves on Election Day and march numbly in unison to the polls to vote for Obama.

Sounds like..............ZOMBIES!!!!
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That the United States is still in an economic depression? Which it in fact is. How is this in any way a gaffe?
Do I really need to explain? You don't see anything funny about Biden reminding voters how tough it's been for them during the time he's been in office, while asking to be reelected?

It's a gaffe because he's not supposed to use his opponent's talking points.
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It's a gaffe because he's not supposed to use his opponent's talking points.
Yeah. He should have said "The fundamentals of our economy are still sound."
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Yeah. He should have said "The fundamentals of our economy are still sound."
Nothing is as good as "I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market system."

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But the essential questions remain: What would Republicans have done differently over the last four years, and what specifically will they do differently over the next four years, if elected? Those are difficult questions, and it is much easier just to point and laugh at Ol' Joe than to be just as straightforward as Ol' Joe.
They would have cut taxes, tortured more "terrorists", and ban abortion at the Federal level. That is the clear path to economic success.
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Biden's always been a loose cannon and like it or not his apparent bluntness always seems to accompany just the right context to make him sound dumb. He also has a habit of stacking gaffes one after the other:

"You know the phrase they always use? "Obama and Biden want to raise taxes by a trillion dollars." Guess what? Yes we do, in one regard. We want to let that trillion dollar tax cut expire so the middle class doesn’t have to bare the burden of all that money going to the super wealthy."

I guess if you agree with his point that the the context means "to make the wealthy pay their fair share" that's one thing, but I wonder if he's figured out yet that the way he markets doesn't exactly help campaigns.
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They warned me if I voted for McCain, we'd have an idiot as VP... and they were right!
It was a prediction they knew they couldn't get wrong.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
No, the obvious implication is that Leno isn't right-wing. You have created a false dichotomy: people don't have to be either right-wing or left-wing. I wouldn't describe Leno as either, I think he's pretty centrist. But unless you want to claim that he's right-wing (and you haven't done so), then his jab at Biden undermines your original point that the attack is just from the right.
Wow!...Has anyone told you that you are very Romneyesque?...except for the flip-flopping, which means that Romney is somewhat aware of a consensual reality....
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