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Old 14th February 2017, 11:44 AM   #1
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CIA assasination: Kim Jong Nam

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...401_story.html

Today, Kim Jong Un's half-brother Kim Jong Nam was assassinated in an airport in Malaysia.

I'll get the conspiracy started before it gets tainted by evidence or facts:

Trump ordered the CIA to kill him in retaliation of the Missile test that interrupted his Mar-a-Lago evening.

We all agree, right?
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Old 14th February 2017, 11:55 AM   #2
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Seems more likely Kim Jung Un had it done to remove a possible pretender to the throne. In fact, I heard that his private nickname for his brother was "Pretender".

The assassin, of course, was deep under cover for years. He was triggered into action by Kelly Ann Conway via Sunday talk show key words, at the direction of Trump. As we all know, Trump is Kim Jong Il's illegitimate half brother and has himself bristled all his life at secretly being known as "Pretender". Now he's making his move!
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Even better, the assassin seems to have been a pair of shes.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...401_story.html

Today, Kim Jong Un's half-brother Kim Jong Nam was assassinated in an airport in Malaysia.

I'll get the conspiracy started before it gets tainted by evidence or facts:

Trump ordered the CIA to kill him in retaliation of the Missile test that interrupted his Mar-a-Lago evening.

We all agree, right?
No - pretty clear his brother had him killed. Would not mind a bombing or three directly on North Korea.
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Even better, the assassin seems to have been a pair of shes.
Do we know where Kellyanne Conway and Ivanka Trump where at the time in question?
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Old 14th February 2017, 12:20 PM   #6
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Or a suicide death torture squad to skin the little tird alive.
Slowly. Broken by layering in salt and bathing in alcohol or cinnamon oil. Or a mixture of the latter two. (The mixing of the two is as effective as the skinning and then applying either but the skinning is forever and the other is only till he faints for awhile. If he can, of course!!!
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Old 14th February 2017, 12:22 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by fuelair View Post
No - pretty clear his brother had him killed. Would not mind a bombing or three directly on North Korea.
Not for the killing, just to put the unfortunate poor there out of their misery while putting the leaders out of ours.
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Old 14th February 2017, 12:28 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...401_story.html

Today, Kim Jong Un's half-brother Kim Jong Nam was assassinated in an airport in Malaysia.

I'll get the conspiracy started before it gets tainted by evidence or facts:

Trump ordered the CIA to kill him in retaliation of the Missile test that interrupted his Mar-a-Lago evening.

We all agree, right?
Enh. Conspiracy theories are fun and all, but... Nah. We'd have to assume that the CIA had an asset in place, that Trump would think to ask about it, and that the CIA would actually let him use it.

My theory is that it's the NK military junta, heading off a potential power struggle by decapitating a dissenting faction within the government before it has time to mature.
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Old 14th February 2017, 01:39 PM   #9
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Or a suicide death torture squad to skin the little tird alive.
Slowly. Broken by layering in salt and bathing in alcohol or cinnamon oil. Or a mixture of the latter two. (The mixing of the two is as effective as the skinning and then applying either but the skinning is forever and the other is only till he faints for awhile. If he can, of course!!!
One lesson I have learned is do not get affectionate with your sweetie when she has been chopping chillies.
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Originally Posted by Planigale View Post
One lesson I have learned is do not get affectionate with your sweetie when she has been chopping chillies.
This also applies. Sometimes more than others.
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Kim Jong Un has been catching up on Game of Thrones.
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Although the obvious suspect in this case is his wonderful baby brother, or others in the North Korean pwoer structure. given that Kim Jong Nam spent a lot of time in Macau and had a reputation as a "playboy", I can't completely discount the notion that the motive was something much more mundane. Did Kim Jong Nam have some unpaid gambling debts? Or was he fooling around with the wrong guy's wife or daughter? We may never know. The CIA seems to me to be very low on the list of suspects in this particular murder.
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Old 16th February 2017, 11:51 AM   #13
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Supposedly, China is pretty upset about the hit: I guess Kim Jong Nam was some form of insurance, a possible replacement should Kim Jong Un step too far out of line.
It's quite likely that the little dear leader was burning that particular bridge for its protector nation.
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The guy was under the protection of the Chinese, so he would be hands-off for the CIA lest they Chinese reciprocate (which they would). His brother had him killed, the female assassin was a nice touch too.
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The US wants North Korea to shut up and stop bothering us. This sort of thing makes them not do that.
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Looks like they used VX nerve agent to kill him.
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Looks like they used VX nerve agent to kill him.
Ah, so Lunch Box wanted everyone to know he had his brother killed.
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Ah, so Lunch Box wanted everyone to know he had his brother killed.
You have to wonder why poisoning him at his hotel room or just shooting him, or an arranged traffic accident or a nice big bomb wasn't in the cards.

Overly complicated plans like this seem a bit melodramatic.
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You have to wonder why poisoning him at his hotel room or just shooting him, or an arranged traffic accident or a nice big bomb wasn't in the cards.

Overly complicated plans like this seem a bit melodramatic.
Melodrama is one of North Korea's main exports.
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You have to wonder why poisoning him at his hotel room or just shooting him, or an arranged traffic accident or a nice big bomb wasn't in the cards.

Overly complicated plans like this seem a bit melodramatic.
He thinks James Bond movies are instructional videos.
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Looks like they used VX nerve agent to kill him.

Blocking the ACHE metabolic pathway is a useful way to get rid of insects and other animals.

Tailoring a compound able to target only humans/mammals at the mg dose range required some careful studies and experiments. Thanks to a couple of British scientists, VX is currently the best candidate in town.
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the guy was a embarrassment to Dear Leader. Why would the CIA WANT to assisanate him?
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the guy was a embarrassment to Dear Leader. Why would the CIA WANT to assisanate him?
Kim the lesser is the highly likely sponsor of this gruesome assassination.

Who did suggest the nonsensical notion that CIA was involved in the loop conspiracy?


PS: IMHO, this thread should be in Non-USA & General Politics as it is about real events and their likely unfolding and cause.
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Originally Posted by Alphaba View Post
Kim the lesser is the highly likely sponsor of this gruesome assassination.

Who did suggest the nonsensical notion that CIA was involved in the loop conspiracy?


PS: IMHO, this thread should be in Non-USA & General Politics as it is about real events and their likely unfolding and cause.
If I wanted serious speculations, I wouldn't have posted it in the CT section

So back to the OP: do we know where Melania was on the day in question?

Note: a more serious discussion happens in the Will North Korea collapse in the next 4 years? thread.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ighlight=Korea
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If I wanted serious speculations, I wouldn't have posted it in the CT section
A thread pushing FAKE NEWS CONSPIRACIES! Sad!


The pervasive sense of Humor of this Forum Community must have momentarily escaped me.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39112640

Serious question, conspiracy heads.

Could these women actually be patsies who were fooled into thinking that they were taking part in a TV prank?

Whether they knew what they were doing or not, I think it's safe to say that whoever hired them considered them expendable.

They were neither Malaysians nor North Koreans. I wonder what their background was. It seems like a diabolical plan but it has certain advantages for the assassin(s) if you can trick someone else into carrying out the deed.
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39112640

Serious question, conspiracy heads.

Could these women actually be patsies who were fooled into thinking that they were taking part in a TV prank?

Whether they knew what they were doing or not, I think it's safe to say that whoever hired them considered them expendable.

They were neither Malaysians nor North Koreans. I wonder what their background was. It seems like a diabolical plan but it has certain advantages for the assassin(s) if you can trick someone else into carrying out the deed.

I'm trying to imagine the pitch, with safety cautions, that leaves them still thinking it's an innocent TV prank.

I need more coffee... or a better imagination.
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Conspiracy aside, I'm curious as to the protection the attackers were wearing on their hands. Presumably they must have had some lotion or blocker to prevent them absorbing the VX nerve "gas" (really a volatile liquid). It is really deadly stuff (drops are lethal) easily absorbed, yet the news reports indicated that they simply washed it off ofter the attack. Were they wearing gloves? Did they take an antidote, like atropine, prophylactically? Was the risk worth it for Dear Leader?
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Conspiracy aside, I'm curious as to the protection the attackers were wearing on their hands. Presumably they must have had some lotion or blocker to prevent them absorbing the VX nerve "gas" (really a volatile liquid). It is really deadly stuff (drops are lethal) easily absorbed, yet the news reports indicated that they simply washed it off ofter the attack. Were they wearing gloves? Did they take an antidote, like atropine, prophylactically? Was the risk worth it for Dear Leader?
If there were two was this a mixture that only become lethal when two different solutions are mixed? So each woman had a different one - of course the second one would have been exposed to both.

ah I see the Guardian came up with this idea also
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...laysian-police
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If there were two was this a mixture that only become lethal when two different solutions are mixed? So each woman had a different one - of course the second one would have been exposed to both.

ah I see the Guardian came up with this idea also
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...laysian-police
Ah- a binary chemical weapon! Clever if that is how they did it!
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They were neither Malaysians nor North Koreans. I wonder what their background was.
Background seems to be a "me love you long time" thing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-parlours.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-holes.html
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Supposedly, China is pretty upset about the hit: I guess Kim Jong Nam was some form of insurance, a possible replacement should Kim Jong Un step too far out of line.
It's quite likely that the little dear leader was burning that particular bridge for its protector nation.
China is increasingly upset with N.K. and KimJ.U. on a few fronts.
Time to roll out my favourite prediction:

China will get so fed up with North Korea that they will broker a secret deal with the USA and S.K. China will invade N.K., set up a new government that is similar to the Special Administrative Region Status of Hong Kong except much more autonomous, with a 50 year guarantee of independance and work towards, and expectation of, reunification of Korea. Much greater commerce and freedom of travel between north and south will be allowed and encouraged. If reunification takes place China will formally guarantee noninterference with Korea in return for withdrawl of US ground forces and air bases.
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39112640

Serious question, conspiracy heads.

Could these women actually be patsies who were fooled into thinking that they were taking part in a TV prank?

Whether they knew what they were doing or not, I think it's safe to say that whoever hired them considered them expendable.

They were neither Malaysians nor North Koreans. I wonder what their background was. It seems like a diabolical plan but it has certain advantages for the assassin(s) if you can trick someone else into carrying out the deed.
No because unless you really believed the VX was VX you might be tempted smell it or something and get it on yourself. You might not handle with all the caution required of something so deadly.
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I'm trying to imagine the pitch, with safety cautions, that leaves them still thinking it's an innocent TV prank.

I need more coffee... or a better imagination.
First, maybe you are thinking like a skeptic here, and not somebody who wants to believe. I mean, you might think how could anyone believe psychics, but people do. So you give them a song and dance about how they can get into TV, this could be their big break and let wishful thinking and motivated reasoning do the heavy lifting.

As for safety cautions, remember these people are expendable, disposable as far as the evil mastermind is concerned. It might even be convenient if they die too. So don't give them safety cautions, just very specific instructions.
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
First, maybe you are thinking like a skeptic here, and not somebody who wants to believe. I mean, you might think how could anyone believe psychics, but people do. So you give them a song and dance about how they can get into TV, this could be their big break and let wishful thinking and motivated reasoning do the heavy lifting.

As for safety cautions, remember these people are expendable, disposable as far as the evil mastermind is concerned. It might even be convenient if they die too. So don't give them safety cautions, just very specific instructions.
The "binary" suggestion is interesting and could explain both why only one of the women became only slightly affected (the second of course, if true) as well as not giving (or needing) precautionary safety instructions. Were it me... I'm sure I'd at least tentatively smell the solution I was instructed to smear on someone's face (god... what a weird plan to go along with).

What I don't know is... can VX even be deployed that way?
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It's reported that the women say that they thought (or were told) that the substance was baby oil. They also say that they thought it was for a television prank. But apparently there weren't any TV cameras or a film crew. It's hard to imagine because there was really nothing about the situation that resembled a legitimate recorded prank for TV.
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It's reported that the women say that they thought (or were told) that the substance was baby oil. They also say that they thought it was for a television prank. But apparently there weren't any TV cameras or a film crew. It's hard to imagine because there was really nothing about the situation that resembled a legitimate recorded prank for TV.

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I haven't read a single story on this for quite a few days now... hadn't even heard the massage parlor angle.

As to what's legit on those Asian shows... one from a few years back had a running theme of breaking into bathrooms to catch women soaking in the tub.
Presumably with assistance of family/friends, and possibly staged (I'd guess plenty of bubble bath)... but damn, what lengths won't they go to?

eta: Forgot about the dudes who'll stand on stage and get whacked in the nuts. For a prize? Are you kidding me?
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Thanks for those links. While it is the Daily Fail, it does seem that their background is not trained assassins or professional hitwomen.

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In the seedy, sex-driven, underworld beneath Malaysia's world-wide image of respectability, two 'good time girls' made easy pickings for North Korean agents looking for 'patsies' to commit a murder.
And although there may have been clues that are quite obvious in hindsight, when motivated reasoning is in full force, those clues would likely be missed. This is how con-men dupe people. No cameras around? Well, they told them the cameras would be hidden, because that's how these things are done. If they haven't been involved in making a TV show before, they might not know any better. It's like Candid Camera, the cameras are all hidden.

Anyway, I'm not even saying I really believe this, but I think it's a possibility that needs to be ruled out if these women are to be put to death or thrown in prison for the rest of their lives.
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the guy was a embarrassment to Dear Leader. Why would the CIA WANT to assisanate him?
He wasn't a embarrassment for Lunch Box; he was an option for the Chinese. If China pegged out it's fun meter and decided to install a puppet government, the half brother was the only person likely seen as legitimate by a population conditioned to dynastic rule.
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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP View Post
What I don't know is... can VX even be deployed that way?
From what I heard on the radio is that VX is very effective trans-dermally. (sp? thru the skin). Which means it could not be handled like baby oil.
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