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Old 23rd October 2019, 06:07 AM   #2241
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I mean seriously "Quid Pro quo?" You expect me to believe Trump can speak Latin?
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Old 23rd October 2019, 06:08 AM   #2242
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I mean seriously "Quid Pro quo?" You expect me to believe Trump can speak Latin?
If he didn't say it on the phone, it doesn't count.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 06:39 AM   #2243
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I wish. McConnell just said he didn't recall having a conversation with Trump about the phone call. I don't know why CBS was asking McConnell today about a remark Trump made on Oct. 3. I believe McConnell never made the "innocent" comment because I can see him not wanting to converse about the call - the same way a defense lawyer might head off a confession by a client. But he was probably aware of Trump's comment at the time and saw no need to correct the record.

I can totally see a politician saying to a reporter, "Ask me about Trump's comment," knowing it will give him a chance to say, " I don't recall any conversation about the phone call. " If McConnell himself suggested the question, that would be significant. But if the reporter was just asking in a kind of random way, his comment isn't that significant. People can always say, well, that's just Trump, he exaggerates. McConnell did make a comment at some point about the phone call not being an impeachment-level offense, which Trump just in a Trumpian way puffs up to "McConnell said it's the most innocent phone call ever." It certainly doesn't make Trump look good, and it's nice to see him contradicting Trump, but he did not call Trump a liar.
I can see it both ways. There might have been a phone call where McConnell stated that Trump was obviously innocent, but McConnell might not want to admit to it in order to avoid allegations that he had no intention of a fair trial in the Senate. But there might also have been no phone call at all, and McConnell doesn’t want to come out and publicly state that Trump is full of it.

“I can’t recall”, is vague and effectively meaningless, like most politician’s public statements.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 06:41 AM   #2244
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
If he didn't say it on the phone, it doesn't count.
Absolutely. You have to say "quid pro quo" in order for it to be a quid pro quo. QED.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 06:46 AM   #2245
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Trump is innocent of having asked for a quid-pro-quo.
It was Extortion - something completely different.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 07:01 AM   #2246
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Julian Sanchez's Twitter feed has been sounding an important reminder:

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Trump’s obsessive “no quid pro quo!” reminds me of his “no collusion” mantra: An attempt to focus all debate on one very specific dimension of his potential misconduct as though it’s the only relevant or important one.
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The main difference in this case, of course, is that it’s pretty straightforward to show there was a quid pro quo. But he shouldn’t get to set the terms of the discussion like this. If there hadn’t been one, his conduct would still easily justify impeachment and removal.
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The ask would be impeachable whether or not he was offering to trade anything concrete for the “deliverable” of announcing investigations (though clearly he was).
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Witholding congressionally appropriated funds to use as leverage for personal benefit would be impeachable whether or not he used it (though clearly he did).
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So yeah, by all means, it should be pointed out that “no quid pro quo!” is a lie. But it’s also vital to reject the attempt to normalize every OTHER aspect of this. The tacit message is “everything about this is fine except for the overt quid pro quo.” But it isn’t!
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Old 23rd October 2019, 07:03 AM   #2247
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Trump is innocent of having asked for a quid-pro-quo.
It was Extortion - something completely different.
Maybe some light treason...
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Old 23rd October 2019, 08:43 AM   #2248
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I mean seriously "Quid Pro quo?" You expect me to believe Trump can speak Latin?
He can speak it. He just doesn't know what any of it means.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 08:59 AM   #2249
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Originally Posted by Random View Post
“I can’t recall”, is vague and effectively meaningless, like most politician’s public statements.
I think the principle was well-explained in Star Trek VI:
Valeris: I don't remember

Spock: A lie!

Valeris: A choice.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 09:03 AM   #2250
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Originally Posted by dasmiller View Post
I think the principle was well-explained in Star Trek VI:
Valeris: I don't remember

Spock: A lie!

Valeris: A choice.
Except it was still a lie.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 09:44 AM   #2251
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I haven't had the chance to follow the fake news lately because I've been so busy working (i.e., supporting all of the welfare recipients in this thread). I've seen headlines to the effect that recent testimony "proves" a quid pro quo, which is ridiculous. There was no quid pro quo. Trump, being a businessman, simply said "you do something for me, and I'll do something for you." Happens all the time.
As long as you do it openly in plain sight, it's not a crime.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 10:03 AM   #2252
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Except it was still a lie.
A lie, by any other name, is still a lie.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 10:09 AM   #2253
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Originally Posted by dasmiller View Post
I think the principle was well-explained in Star Trek VI:
Valeris: I don't remember

Spock: A lie!

Valeris: A choice.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 05:30 PM   #2254
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I mean seriously "Quid Pro quo?" You expect me to believe Trump can speak Latin?

I don't know whether you were intending to be humorous or just suggesting what Trump's next attempt at defense might be ("I couldn't have engaged in quid pro quo because I don't speak Latin.")
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Old 23rd October 2019, 06:04 PM   #2255
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
Absolutely. You have to say "quid pro quo" in order for it to be a quid pro quo. QED.
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