Is Joe Biden done? I hope so.

[The Great Zaganza]

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

Now that we are looking at a possible impeachment, and Biden being in the middle of it, I think we are going to see a full on attack of Biden by the Republicans and the right wing media.

it's the whole reason why the Senate voted to see the whistleblower report - so that they can pretend they read something in it that smears Biden.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

Now that we are looking at a possible impeachment, and Biden being in the middle of it, I think we are going to see a full on attack of Biden by the Republicans and the right wing media.

And I'm sure we'll all be very sad if the SS Trump takes SS Biden down with it when it sinks. We can watch the casualty of war go down from the deck of the SS Warren as she sails into President Bay. I think perhaps I can just manage to live with that tragic loss.

[portlandatheist]

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

I laugh when I hear Sanders described as too far left to be a Democrat. Too much social equality?

The fundamental flaw with Bernie Sanders is he thinks of the economy as a zero sum endeavor like a pie being shared and if it was, aiming for social equality would be relatively straight forward and have relatively few risks. But it isn't. This is reflected in the fact he is more protectionist than any other democratic candidate, something that even Socialists rake him over the coals over. He believes in rent control which is bad idea according to just about any economist no matter how far left or right they are. These are just really bad ideas, regardless of their good intentions.

[Meadmaker]

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

Now that we are looking at a possible impeachment, and Biden being in the middle of it, I think we are going to see a full on attack of Biden by the Republicans and the right wing media.

It has already begun. I've been hearing about Hunter Biden, Ukraine, and China for months. The only thing that changed this week is that they turned the volume up to 11.

[portlandatheist]

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...ac270ecd9c0c18

Lindsey Graham now wants Biden to be investigated.

Quote:

“Somebody should look at this like Mueller looked at Trump,” Graham suggested.

A reporter asked if he wanted a special counsel named: “Somebody that everybody can trust who can be fair about it. Somebody like Mueller,” Graham said.

After a half-beat delay, Graham called out “not him,” with a nervous laugh, making clear he doesn’t think Robert Mueller should be called to reprise his special counsel duties.

[applecorped]

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

I laugh when I hear Sanders described as too far left to be a Democrat. Too much social equality?

Too much failing is more like it

[portlandatheist]

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

And I'm sure we'll all be very sad if the SS Trump takes SS Biden down with it when it sinks. We can watch the casualty of war go down from the deck of the SS Warren as she sails into President Bay. I think perhaps I can just manage to live with that tragic loss.

Don't forget SS Giuliani!

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...ac270ecd9c0c18

Lindsey Graham now wants Biden to be investigated.

Lindsay Graham is a digusting human being. End of story. What makes him disgusting is he has shown he knows EXACTLY what kind of man Trump is, but continutes to kiss his butt to further his own political careerl
He is also my Argument #! as to why we need term limits for congress.The man will do anything to get relected, and plenty more like him in both parties. If they know they will only be there for a few terms, they might not be quite so desperate to be reelected and will take a difficult stand or vote once in a while.

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

The fundamental flaw with Bernie Sanders is he thinks of the economy as a zero sum endeavor like a pie being shared and if it was, aiming for social equality would be relatively straight forward and have relatively few risks. But it isn't. This is reflected in the fact he is more protectionist than any other democratic candidate, something that even Socialists rake him over the coals over. He believes in rent control which is bad idea according to just about any economist no matter how far left or right they are. These are just really bad ideas, regardless of their good intentions.

I also think from a political point of view Sanders just comes off like the aged radical still living in the Sixties. Not a good look with most voters.
And I have become skeptical of ANY politician who gets a full scale personality cult going, and Bernie has one. Garanteed, if anybody but Bernie gets the nomination, the Bernie Bros will turn on them the way they did on Hilary.

[kellyb]

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

Don't forget SS Giuliani!

And the SS Barr and the SS Pompeo, from the looks of it.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

Don't forget SS Giuliani!

At this point it looks like the SS Giuliani is a rock with a cartoon boat painted on it.

[ponderingturtle]

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

At this point it looks like the SS Giuliani is a rock with a cartoon boat painted on it.

And yet it always seems to get the job done despite that and clear everyone who matters from consequences.

[SuburbanTurkey]

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...ac270ecd9c0c18

Lindsey Graham now wants Biden to be investigated.

There's no denying the scandal, so the only play is to claim that it isn't a scandal at all, but a legitimate use of power.

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by kellyb

You're talking about "socially Manhattan" aspirations vs "policies which enrich and empower Goldman Sachs and Citigroup."

Obviously not, since Mr "Thr minimum wage is too high...Whoops, I meant, low!" was running the classic white supremacist playbook of convincing white Americans to shout and scream about "the Mexicans!" "BLM terrorists!" and other such garbage. That he would then run off with the money is simply true to form for the past...few hundred years. And the majority of white people gleefully went along, too.

When are y'all going to stop falling for the exact same trick, or letting your family and friends fall for it?

Originally Posted by dann

A minor concern! Really?! That's all it takes to make you happy? Anybody but Trump?! Then I guess that Biden, who is nothing more than a liberal version of Romney, is your guy, now that Clinton is no longer available.

First, untwist your panties.

Second, having watched Romney switch almost every position so he could prepare a run for president, while still governor of Massachusetts, no, they aren't "the same". Biden is basically who he says he is, Romney's a snake. You'll note that I'm not actually complimenting anything about Biden.

Third, why yes, I would vote for any of the major Dem candidates over Cheeto Benito. I'd also take Bill Weld over him - I expect Joe Walsh will eventually return to form. As an afro-latino, I kinda prefer presidents who don't make hatred of me the center of their political careers the way the idiot in chief has. Think of it as a jewish person who would rather not have Louis Farrakhan as president, only if Farrakhan were more ignorant, lazy, tasteless, and white.

[kellyb]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Obviously not, since Mr "Thr minimum wage is too high...Whoops, I meant, low!" was running the classic white supremacist playbook of convincing white Americans to shout and scream about "the Mexicans!" "BLM terrorists!" and other such garbage. That he would then run off with the money is simply true to form for the past...few hundred years. And the majority of white people gleefully went along, too.

When are y'all going to stop falling for the exact same trick, or letting your family and friends fall for it?

I don't chill with people who fall for that sort of stuff. I was even able to get my lifelong Republican mother to vote for Sanders in 2016, so no family falling for it, either.

But Clinton really was the embodiment of Wall Street.

[rockysmith76]

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

And I'm sure we'll all be very sad if the SS Trump takes SS Biden down with it when it sinks. We can watch the casualty of war go down from the deck of the SS Warren as she sails into President Bay. I think perhaps I can just manage to live with that tragic loss.

she's too lefty aint gonna happen.

[rockysmith76]

Originally Posted by dudalb

I also think from a political point of view Sanders just comes off like the aged radical still living in the Sixties. Not a good look with most voters.
And I have become skeptical of ANY politician who gets a full scale personality cult going, and Bernie has one. Garanteed, if anybody but Bernie gets the nomination, the Bernie Bros will turn on them the way they did on Hilary.

wrong, Hillary tanked his chances or had something on him, Hillary was no prize pig, she was never electable with all her baggage.

[pgwenthold]

Originally Posted by rockysmith76

wrong, Hillary tanked his chances or had something on him, Hillary was no prize pig, she was never electable with all her baggage.

Yet she got more votes than her opponent in the election.

[Belz...]

Originally Posted by kellyb

And the SS Barr and the SS Pompeo, from the looks of it.

A deplorable flotilla.

[rockysmith76]

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

Yet she got more votes than her opponent in the election.

prove it, she lost so.....

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by kellyb

And the SS Barr and the SS Pompeo, from the looks of it.

Originally Posted by Belz...

A deplorable flotilla.

I'm having dreams of Whistleblower Drake sailing out to meet the Armada.

Looks like SS Giuliani has really lost it:

Quote:

“It is impossible that the whistle-blower is a hero and I’m not. And I will be the hero! These morons—when this is over, I will be the hero,” Giuliani told me.

“I’m not acting as a lawyer. I’m acting as someone who has devoted most of his life to straightening out government,” he continued, sounding out of breath. “Anything I did should be praised.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-biden/598879/

Looks like he's channeling his inner Trump.

[pgwenthold]

Originally Posted by rockysmith76

prove it, she lost so.....

Prove what? That she got more votes than her opponent? You disagree with that?

Yes, she lost in the electoral college. But, seriously, to claim that someone who gets 2% more of the popular vote is "unelectable" is silly.

[Segnosaur]

Originally Posted by kellyb

But Clinton really was the embodiment of Wall Street.

Yes, that was the myth that both BernieBros and Trumpers managed to create.

Didn't matter if it was TRUE or not.

Now, it was true that yes, she did have speaking engagements at various large banks prior to her election run. And its also true that she wasn't as extreme as (for example) Sanders in her policies.

But, her policies called for:
- strengthening the Dodd-Frank act, put in place to regulate banks
- Regulations on hedge funds
- increasing taxes on high-income earners
- Removing a corporate tax loophole which allowed countries to reduce taxes by claiming foreign ownership

Again, perhaps not as radical as what Sanders might have proposed, but still more 'left wing' than what we're getting with Trump and the republicans.

[rockysmith76]

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

Prove what? That she got more votes than her opponent? You disagree with that?

Yes, she lost in the electoral college. But, seriously, to claim that someone who gets 2% more of the popular vote is "unelectable" is silly.

No.... thats the same whine when Gore lost, good or bad, you win by way of the electoral college. The unelectable hag simply lost. And would unelectable again.

[Segnosaur]

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

Prove what? That she got more votes than her opponent? You disagree with that?

Yes, she lost in the electoral college. But, seriously, to claim that someone who gets 2% more of the popular vote is "unelectable" is silly.

Not to mention that:
- Trump's "victory" was partly due to a few thousand votes in 3 states
- Trump benefited from both Russian interference, and Republican efforts to suppress minority voters

[rockysmith76]

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Yes, that was the myth that both BernieBros and Trumpers managed to create.

No, she and Bill were buds with all those pesky Wall Streeters

Edited by zooterkin:

<SNIP> Edit for rule 0 and rule 12.

Quote:

But, her policies called for:
- strengthening the Dodd-Frank act, put in place to regulate banks

Dodd is whore of the Copyright Industry

Quote:

- Regulations on hedge funds

She turns on her friends and stagnates the Economy

[pgwenthold]

Originally Posted by rockysmith76

No.... thats the same whine when Gore lost, good or bad, you win by way of the electoral college.

I never said otherwise.

What I did say is that calling someone who got 2% more votes than their opponent unelectable is silly.

"Unelected" is not the same as "Unelectable"

[rockysmith76]

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

I never said otherwise.

What I did say is that calling someone who got 2% more votes than their opponent unelectable is silly.

"Unelected" is not the same as "Unelectable"

her Toilet Email server and Bengazi bags dont exactly inspire confidence, Liberal guy.

[Stacyhs]

Looks like Clinton's basket is missing a deplorable.

[ponderingturtle]

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

Yet she got more votes than her opponent in the election.

As if such things matter in a democracy.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

Yet she got more votes than her opponent in the election.

Aw, come on now! You know that's because there were millions of illegal votes cast for her! I'd bet they were the same people that were dancing on the roofs after on 9/11. People don't know that.

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Not to mention that:
- Trump's "victory" was partly due to a few thousand votes in 3 states
- Trump benefited from both Russian interference, and Republican efforts to suppress minority voters

...And Comey's last-second interference to reopen an investigation - only to find nothing new whatsoever.

(I'll also note that "unelectable hag" is *really* letting your mask slip right off your face and onto the ground, Rocky.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

...And Comey's last-second interference to reopen an investigation - only to find nothing new whatsoever.

(I'll also note that "unelectable hag" is *really* letting your mask slip right off your face and onto the ground, Rocky.

Wait...he was wearing a mask?

[acbytesla]

Originally Posted by rockysmith76

her Toilet Email server and Bengazi bags dont exactly inspire confidence, Liberal guy.

Bullcrap.

[acbytesla]

Originally Posted by rockysmith76

prove it, she lost so.....

You do understand that there is a difference between the electoral vote and the popular vote don't you?

[theprestige]

Originally Posted by acbytesla

You do understand that there is a difference between the electoral vote and the popular vote don't you?

Yes. The electoral vote actually matters. The "popular vote" is actually shorthand for "not enough popular votes in enough states to actually win the election".

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by theprestige

Yes. The electoral vote actually matters. The "popular vote" is actually shorthand for "not enough popular votes in enough states to actually win the election" more people voted for one candidate than the other but due to our small state favoring electoral system, the other candidate gets elected.

FTFY

[acbytesla]

Originally Posted by theprestige

Yes. The electoral vote actually matters. The "popular vote" is actually shorthand for "not enough popular votes in enough states to actually win the election".

And yet it shouldn't matter. It's undemocratic. But we know you don't believe in democratic principles.

[Venom]

Originally Posted by dudalb

I also think from a political point of view Sanders just comes off like the aged radical still living in the Sixties. Not a good look with most voters.
And I have become skeptical of ANY politician who gets a full scale personality cult going, and Bernie has one. Garanteed, if anybody but Bernie gets the nomination, the Bernie Bros will turn on them the way they did on Hilary.

By your standard I think any sufficiently popular politician can draw a personality cult.

As for Sanders, I don't see a huge cult following, at least not yet. Non-Bernie "bros" probably still heavily outnumber the zealots.

[tyr_13]

Originally Posted by theprestige

Yes. The electoral vote actually matters. The "popular vote" is actually shorthand for "not enough popular votes in enough states to actually win the election".

Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed.