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View Poll Results: April Presidential Poll: Biden, Trump or ?
Biden 64 83.12%
Trump 5 6.49%
None of the above, third party, Planet X, etc. 8 10.39%
Voters: 77. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 17th April 2020, 12:19 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by The_Animus View Post
I didn't vote in the poll, but this is literally false.
It depends what the poll is actually asking, which isn't at all clear.
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Old 17th April 2020, 12:21 PM   #42
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I like seeing the Trump-to-Biden ratio in this thread. Makes me hope for a similar landslide in November.
Hey, a man can dream, can't he : D .
Is the poll asking who do you think will win, or who you want to win?
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Originally Posted by shuttlt View Post
Why didn't people follow him in the 30s?.
Why didn't Trump win when he ran for President in 2000?
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I'd say a vast majority of the world's population sees Trump for what he is. You don't. I'd say you're in the minority.

I mean, if we are going to make an argumentum ad populum about the bleeding obvious.

I'll give you this: if Trumpism survives and goes on to be some sort of world-encompassing ideology in some kind of apocalyptic scenario, perhaps history will portray Trump favorably. In pretty much all other circumstances, there's little to no chance of that happening.
If Trumpism survives and becomes some sort of world-encompassing ideology, it is highly unlikely that anybody will survive to have any kine of opinion about him. Besides, if you consider Brazil, the Philippines Turkey and India, off the top of my head, that's closer to actually happening than I like. A lot of ******** have gained power in recent years. Hell, Putin is pretty much the leader that Trump aspires to be, but has no hope of ever being.
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Originally Posted by The_Animus View Post
I didn't vote in the poll, but this is literally false.
And there is a typo that I missed. Oh well.
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A vote for Biden is a vote for the system that gave us Trump and would continue to give us more trumps.
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Why didn't Trump win when he ran for President in 2000?
Didn't he run for some non-party? In which case, just like Churchill he had to switch parties to win (I'm starting to think they are alike).

Aside from that - "events, dear boy, events." They both got lucky and the stars aligned for them beyond any reasonable hope or expectation.
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The comparison is do meaningless I wonder if it's just a "control the conversation" ploy. Say something weird, and voila, thread derailed.
True. I should be following my own advice and not engage.
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A vote for Biden is a vote for the system that gave us Trump and would continue to give us more trumps.
???
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Perhaps, but the game isn't over. If we asked the question of Churchill in the 30s, or when the war was going badly... we'd get a different answer. The key thing is that he was correct about Germany, everything else stems from that. We have to see how China, Globalism, Climate Change, and a whole load of other things play out to know how Trump will be judged.
Did Churchill ever say, "I take no responsibility"?
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I like seeing the Trump-to-Biden ratio in this thread. Makes me hope for a similar landslide in November.
Hey, a man can dream, can't he .
It's really not a dream, it's about data. The polling data puts Biden winning outside the margins of error in the Rustbelt states. Remember, the dumb **** won in three important states by about 88,000 votes. Every election since then has been a push back against Trump.

If Trump wins every other swing state he still loses if Biden takes Pennsylvania, Michigan and Ohio that's the Democrat trifecta. If he takes Pennsylvania and Michigan he just needs to win one more swing state, any will do. Trump is vulnerable in Florida and it's not yet clear how much DeSantis hurt him. If he wins Florida that's it for Trump, game over.
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A vote for Biden is a vote for the system that gave us Trump and would continue to give us more trumps.
And a vote for Trump is ????
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And a vote for Trump is ????
The other side of the same coin. I call them revolutionary progressives. Others call them accelerationists. The basic principle is that the system must be destroyed, either from within or from without, so that it can be replaced.

You had your chance to to vote for the Sanders revolution. Now, the best course of action is to let Trump finish destroying the country, so that Bernie and AOC can rebuild it in the image of the New Socialist Man.

A vote for Biden just props up the system we're supposed to be destroying. A vote for Trump is literally a vote to speed up progress towards our Better Tomorrow. Buckle up, though, because it has to get worse before it can get better.
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And there is a typo that I missed. Oh well.
That's irrelevant. Anyone reading it knows non meant none
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
And a vote for Trump is ????
A vote for Biden obviously.
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That's irrelevant. Anyone reading it knows non meant none
Yeah but the pedants.
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I like seeing the Trump-to-Biden ratio in this thread. Makes me hope for a similar landslide in November.
Hey, a man can dream, can't he .
What does it matter? No matter who wins we still get the same, for Americans: open borders, H-1B visas, manufacturing shipped overseas, fragmentation of society and continued loss of social cohesion. For Europe, neither will get the US out of NATO so countries like Norway can still have a cushy welfare state thanks to the US Military security blanket paid for by US citizens.
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I agree withuke2se, the only way Trump ends up regarded as a second Churchill is if the whole world undergoes a catastrophic shift towards the far right. Let us hope that doesn't happen.
For the millionth time, there is no "left/right" paradigm. That's a meaningless construct for old white people. This is why commentary on US politics from Europeans is so bad. They assume everyone in the US is white and ascribe white motives to non-whites. That's why we get, "Bernie Sanders lost because he was too far to the left for Americans! That's weird because he'd be centre-right in my country!" NO! Biden won because blacks are a cohesive voting bloc that were able to impose their political will over the staggered white votes for Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg. Simple and parsimonious explanation. No "left/right" bull **** needed.
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A vote for non of the above is a vote for Trump.
In that case Trump is quaranteed to win the popular vote and should win by default. And how far does this reasoning go otherwise? Is anyone not going out knocking on doors on behalf of Biden doing that on behalf of Trump? Anyone not donating money for Biden is donating money for Trump?

It's perfectly reasonable to point out that voting for a third party or staying home is going to benefit the GOP, but I find it hard to believe that the approach of condemning anyone not voting for Biden as a Trump supporter is going to be helpful.
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In that case Trump is quaranteed to win the popular vote and should win by default. And how far does this reasoning go otherwise? Is anyone not going out knocking on doors on behalf of Biden doing that on behalf of Trump? Anyone not donating money for Biden is donating money for Trump?

It's perfectly reasonable to point out that voting for a third party or staying home is going to benefit the GOP, but I find it hard to believe that the approach of condemning anyone not voting for Biden as a Trump supporter is going to be helpful.
It's simply pointing out the reality of the situation. This fall's election is the most important one in any of your lives. If you fail to remove Trump, it would be a complete and utter disaster. For everyone, including me and mine, on the other side of the Atlantic. So don't **** it up by playing ideologically pure.
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It's simply pointing out the reality of the situation. This fall's election is the most important one in any of your lives. If you fail to remove Trump, it would be a complete and utter disaster. For everyone, including me and mine, on the other side of the Atlantic. So don't **** it up by playing ideologically pure.
No, we are going to have to learn to accept America has gone down the *******.
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In that case Trump is quaranteed to win the popular vote and should win by default. And how far does this reasoning go otherwise? Is anyone not going out knocking on doors on behalf of Biden doing that on behalf of Trump? Anyone not donating money for Biden is donating money for Trump?

It's perfectly reasonable to point out that voting for a third party or staying home is going to benefit the GOP, but I find it hard to believe that the approach of condemning anyone not voting for Biden as a Trump supporter is going to be helpful.
Can we condemn those on the left who have explicitly said Trump is better than Biden as Trump supporters? Can we condemn those on the left who actively campaign against Biden as Trump supporters? It's going to be Trump or Biden, so when you're working to prevent Biden, how should that be taken?

Finally, why exactly does it matter if those who actively work against the only candidate who can defeat Trump are branded as Trump supporters? It's not going to hurt to accurately describe their actions, is it? Not only are they not voting Biden, but they're trying to convince everyone else not to, as well...which gives us another 4 years of Trump.
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I wonder about those poll results, though. There are more than three trumpkins on this forum. So where are they? Secretly turning their backs on Trump? Not dignifying us with their presence? Taking a sabbatical until things start looking up for Dear Leader?
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It's going to be Biden. Biden is up in the Democrat Trifecta, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan. He's neck and neck in Florida too. Biden can either win the Rust Belt or win Florida and any other swing state. DeSantis hurt Trump in Florida, with him publicly making decisions on Trump's lead and the WWE debacle.

Additionally, Trump can't do rallies in the age of Covid 19 and he's getting no bump from how's he handling the pandemic. He had a short-lived surge and is now tanking.

Trump should have taken a lesson from Winston Churchill. Churchill told the British people that he had nothing to offer them but blood, sweat and tears and loved him for it. Trump called Covid 19 a hoax and we all stopped paying attention to him.
Your lack of faith in Leader Trump is disturbing.
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Voting for the least bad pretty much characterizes my entire 40+ years of participation in the electoral process. But I think protecting us from government by the most bad is not a waste.
Leader Trump will show us the way.
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The main impediment with the Stupid Bitch in Chief being highly regarded 80 years from now is that he's a complete failure.
Hes the greatest thing going, you should sing his praises.
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I'd say a vast majority of the world's population sees Trump for what he is. You don't. I'd say you're in the minority.

I mean, if we are going to make an argumentum ad populum about the bleeding obvious.

I'll give you this: if Trumpism survives and goes on to be some sort of world-encompassing ideology in some kind of apocalyptic scenario, perhaps history will portray Trump favorably. In pretty much all other circumstances, there's little to no chance of that happening.
Silly Leftists always thinking they are the majority. They are not.
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The other side of the same coin. I call them revolutionary progressives. Others call them accelerationists. The basic principle is that the system must be destroyed, either from within or from without, so that it can be replaced.

You had your chance to to vote for the Sanders revolution. Now, the best course of action is to let Trump finish destroying the country, so that Bernie and AOC can rebuild it in the image of the New Socialist Man.

A vote for Biden just props up the system we're supposed to be destroying. A vote for Trump is literally a vote to speed up progress towards our Better Tomorrow. Buckle up, though, because it has to get worse before it can get better.
AOC needs to be deported
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AOC needs to be deported
Maybe with your keen eye for detail you missed the bit where AOC was born in the United States of America.
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Maybe with your keen eye for detail you missed the bit where AOC was born in the United States of America.
Very doubtful.... send her home!
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Hes the greatest thing going, you should sing his praises.
How many N-95 masks did the **** order in February?
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Checking Real Clear Politics, Biden is polling ahead in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan. He's just barely ahead in Florida. If he takes those three states, there's no map for Trump. The electoral map, looks pretty good for America.
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Very doubtful.... send her home!
I fail to understand your problem.

Cortez is already home. She was born in New York and she does live in New York now.

If you can show otherwise, then please do so.
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I fail to understand your problem.

Cortez is already home. She was born in New York and she does live in New York now.

If you can show otherwise, then please do so.
Send her home!
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Send her home!
She is home. She's in New York right now. How much more home could she be?

It's the filthy Trumptrash we need to be deporting. Americans don't need their kind in their country.
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I fail to understand your problem.

Cortez is already home. She was born in New York and she does live in New York now.

If you can show otherwise, then please do so.
I'm reminded of a few of my conservative friends on Facebook. They seem to enjoy posting obviously bad information to provoke people into correcting them. I don't quite get why making oneself look far less intelligent than one is in reality translates into a win, but they seem to think it does. On Facebook, that action is trolling. Here, we are not allowed to speculate whether or not it is, so I have no opinion on whether any particular conservative here is doing it.
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Send her home!
I do not think that you know what you are talking about.

Cortez is already in the nation that she was born in.
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I'm reminded of a few of my conservative friends on Facebook. They seem to enjoy posting obviously bad information to provoke people into correcting them. I don't quite get why making oneself look far less intelligent than one is in reality translates into a win, but they seem to think it does. On Facebook, that action is trolling. Here, we are not allowed to speculate whether or not it is, so I have no opinion on whether any particular conservative here is doing it.
Unfortunately, one has to deal with such people.

However, I have found that such people do an excellent job at validating something my grandfather used to say"

'A man can only make a fool of himself.'
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
I do not think that you know what you are talking about.

Cortez is already in the nation that she was born in.
No thats not true, send her home!
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