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Old 13th November 2020, 02:30 PM   #1401
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Trump seemed to be on the cusp of saying "the Biden administration," but caught himself and said "time will tell"
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Old 13th November 2020, 02:31 PM   #1402
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He still hasn't figured out that testing doesn't cause cases.


trying to own the libs feels extra awkward now he's lost.
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Old 13th November 2020, 02:35 PM   #1403
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Is that a new hair colour or just my monitor?
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Old 13th November 2020, 02:36 PM   #1404
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"average development time for a vaccine can take 8-12 years, but we are doing it in less than one year"
We?

Did he imply that New York won't get the vaccine for 'political reasons'?
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Old 13th November 2020, 02:41 PM   #1405
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Would you trust anyone with something called Operation Warp Speed that shows up 26 minutes late?
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Old 13th November 2020, 02:46 PM   #1406
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In 1955, President Eisenhower thanked Dr. Jonas Salk for his “selfless and dedicated medical research” to find a polio vaccine. He did not take credit for himself.
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Old 13th November 2020, 02:48 PM   #1407
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The first guy actually contradicted The PDJT when he said that the vaccine's efficacy and safety is not determined by the company that produced it, or politics, or (something else), but by independent reviewers (as opposed to Pfizer holding out on its announcement until after the Election). Wonder how long he's going to last in that job.

The PDJT also said Pfizer received $1.x "million", I mean "billion" dollars for vaccine purposes, and that whatever they said about it was a misrepresentation. I haven't seen the fact check on this but I'm pretty sure it's ********.

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"average development time for a vaccine can take 8-12 years, but we are doing it in less than one year"
We?

Did he imply that New York won't get the vaccine for 'political reasons'?
Yes. Yes, he did.

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Is that a new hair colour or just my monitor?
I caught that right away, too. It was... not orange.
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Old 13th November 2020, 04:06 PM   #1408
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Sounds like Trump might be exiting the bargaining stage of grief. Still need depression before we get to acceptance.
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Old 13th November 2020, 04:48 PM   #1409
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
The PDJT also said Pfizer received $1.x "million", I mean "billion" dollars for vaccine purposes, and that whatever they said about it was a misrepresentation. I haven't seen the fact check on this but I'm pretty sure it's ********.

It's my understanding that they have an agreement in place to get paid for distribution, but the development itself didn't use government funding.

EDIT: Or an agreement for future purchases of the vaccine. No money has changed hands, in any case.

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Old 13th November 2020, 05:22 PM   #1410
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It's my understanding that they have an agreement in place to get paid for distribution, but the development itself didn't use government funding.

EDIT: Or an agreement for future purchases of the vaccine. No money has changed hands, in any case.
That was the deal; I'd be suspicious of any monetary negotiations that Trump had remotely anything to do with.
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Old 13th November 2020, 05:24 PM   #1411
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Normally drug companies pay for all trials, though hospitals under contract run them. Results are published as well as filed with FDA.
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Old 13th November 2020, 05:28 PM   #1412
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The MSM has realized Trump is not conceding, and that he has a strong path to prevailing via congress's 30+ Republican states' representatives. The constitution allows two per state to choose, overruling the electoral college.
I'm going to ignore the utter and complete inanity of the whole post and focus on just that word. Trump, due to his limited vocabulary, uses "strong" when there are many other words that would convey his intended meaning.

The same is true here. What is a "strong" path? Likely to happen? Easily taken? Popular? Legal? Who the hell knows.
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Old 14th November 2020, 12:06 AM   #1413
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrosia

Sheesh. Can I go back to my schadenfreude now?
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Ambrosia and Nectar were commonly spoken of in ancient texts, with the general consensus being that Ambrosia was a food, whilst Nectar was the drink, but it was not uncommon to see Nectar named as the food and Ambrosia the drink.
https://www.greeklegendsandmyths.com...nd-nectar.html

We now return you to your regularly scheduled schadenfreude......
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Old 14th November 2020, 12:08 AM   #1414
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Is that a new hair colour or just my monitor?
Definitely gray. He hasn't got the time for dying it while fighting all the voter fraud for his people.
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Old 14th November 2020, 12:12 AM   #1415
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
In 1955, President Eisenhower thanked Dr. Jonas Salk for his “selfless and dedicated medical research” to find a polio vaccine. He did not take credit for himself.
Eisenhower wasn't a lying, narcissistic, sociopathic, piece of excrement.
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Old 14th November 2020, 12:15 AM   #1416
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Definitely gray. He hasn't got the time for dying it while fighting all the voter fraud for his people.
He went for a silvery style, with less mullet and forelock, very early on. I thought it looked better than his usual 'do. He soon went back to the usual hairstyle. Maybe he thought the more-distinguished result made him look old.
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Old 14th November 2020, 12:30 AM   #1417
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Reading above, I see an enormous amount of hatred posted in this thread.
I’ll stop hating Trump on the day he stops hating the American electorate.
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Old 14th November 2020, 12:51 AM   #1418
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He went for a silvery style, with less mullet and forelock, very early on. I thought it looked better than his usual 'do. He soon went back to the usual hairstyle. Maybe he thought the more-distinguished result made him look old.
Being old makes him look old
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Old 14th November 2020, 02:55 AM   #1419
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I'm going to ignore the utter and complete inanity of the whole post and focus on just that word. Trump, due to his limited vocabulary, uses "strong" when there are many other words that would convey his intended meaning.



The same is true here. What is a "strong" path? Likely to happen? Easily taken? Popular? Legal? Who the hell knows.
As long as the path doesn't have a gentle downward slope...
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Old 14th November 2020, 05:40 AM   #1420
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Nit: Ambrosia was the food of the gods. Nectar was the drink.
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They ate custard? Never knew that.
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...or rice pudding
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Old 14th November 2020, 05:42 AM   #1421
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Is that a new hair colour or just my monitor?

Plan F)

Slowly morph into Joe Bidens Doppelganger...
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Old 14th November 2020, 06:36 AM   #1422
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Yeah, but the manlier gods should be consuming manly sustenance, such as whole oxen.
A Joint of Oxen would be an awesome name for a heavy metal band of Vikings.
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Old 14th November 2020, 07:42 AM   #1423
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Plan F)

Slowly morph into Joe Bidens Doppelganger...
If he would lose the hair cement and Dairy Queen swirl, we might find out that he resembles President-Elect Biden more than it seems.
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Old 14th November 2020, 11:06 AM   #1424
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Definitely gray. He hasn't got the time for dying it while fighting all the voter fraud for his people.
This has been noted in the news. Looks like he doesn't have time to do his face, either. The poor thing.
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This has been noted in the news. Looks like he doesn't have time to do his face, either. The poor thing.
As I heard one wag say, his hair has conceded.

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This has been noted in the news. Looks like he doesn't have time to do his face, either. The poor thing.



The really sad part is, he actually looks better without all that **** on his face. Too bad there's no one in his life who cares enough about him to actually tell him the truth.
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This has been noted in the news. Looks like he doesn't have time to do his face, either. The poor thing.
It’s those LED low energy bulbs.

(I’ve just realised why he doesn’t like the LED bulbs, its because they are “low energy” and for him that is one of his strongest insults and he considers it a “juge” negative. Never thought about it before.)
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The really sad part is, he actually looks better without all that **** on his face. Too bad there's no one in his life who cares enough about him to actually tell him the truth.
He wouldn't believe them.
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The odd thing is, while Rudy Giuliani served as mayor of New York City he wore a toupee -- or sported an artfully constructed comb over -- which he abruptly abandoned in 2002 after leaving office. For New Yorkers, it was quite startling to suddenly see him bald on top. But most politicians say there is a definite down period after leaving or losing a top office. I guess Giuliani had decided, "Why even bother?"
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I often see politicians in their senior years with jet black or coffee-brown hair, not a gray strand in sight. It looks ridiculous. (Reagan was one of the few who could pull it off.) A mismatch between the evidence of what's on their heads and the lines on their faces. Granted, there may be some who are genetically predisposed to keep more of their hair, and I suppose a much smaller percentage that don't actually turn gray (even a little bit), but for the most part it's a visual lie.

OK, so women can get away with it. That's society.
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The worse in the USA is the teeth. Totally gleaming white dazzlers!
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The worse in the USA is the teeth. Totally gleaming white dazzlers!
You don't see those much in the UK, do you?
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I often see politicians in their senior years with jet black or coffee-brown hair, not a gray strand in sight. It looks ridiculous. (Reagan was one of the few who could pull it off.) A mismatch between the evidence of what's on their heads and the lines on their faces. Granted, there may be some who are genetically predisposed to keep more of their hair, and I suppose a much smaller percentage that don't actually turn gray (even a little bit), but for the most part it's a visual lie.

OK, so women can get away with it. That's society.
My dad had 100% dark brown hair until he was in his early 70's. When he died at 75, he still only had some gray mixed in with the brown. On the other hand, my mother was completely salt and pepper gray in her mid-30's. It's all in the genes.
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You don't see those much in the UK, do you?
My son-in-law is a born and bred Belfastian. My grand kids (both <10 y.o.) already have bad teeth.
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Normally drug companies pay for all trials, though hospitals under contract run them. Results are published as well as filed with FDA.
That's not completely true but it's not important and it's off topic to get into it.

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Plan F)

Slowly morph into Joe Bidens Doppelganger...
In true Manchurian style?
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You don't see those much in the UK, do you?
Sadly we are seeing it more and more.
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My dad had 100% dark brown hair until he was in his early 70's. When he died at 75, he still only had some gray mixed in with the brown. On the other hand, my mother was completely salt and pepper gray in her mid-30's. It's all in the genes.
Hair? What's that?
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Hair? What's that?
It's that stuff that grows on legs and butts.
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My son-in-law is a born and bred Belfastian. My grand kids (both <10 y.o.) already have bad teeth.

He might be interested in this, from the Belfast paper.
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The UK's Oral Health Foundation is calling for the introduction of widespread community fluoridation schemes, a move they believe will help protect millions from tooth decay.
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