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Old 6th December 2020, 01:55 PM   #321
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Oh tell Dilbert-boy to shut his trap. He never was the smartest person in the room like he thinks he is.
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Old 6th December 2020, 03:41 PM   #323
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Oh tell Dilbert-boy to shut his trap. He never was the smartest person in the room like he thinks he is.
Exactly
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Old 6th December 2020, 04:03 PM   #324
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sue them themselves for their own participation in it. It’s ridiculous. The legislatures in the states need to take control right now & reject the certifications, of especially the swing states, that were so heavily influenced by these 100’s of thousands of vote changes.”
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Old 6th December 2020, 05:34 PM   #325
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Gee, what a surprise. Has anyone informed the so-called (says he has no power to do anything!) Governor @BrianKempGA & his puppet Lt. Governor @GeoffDuncanGA, that they could easily solve this mess, & WIN. Signature verification & call a Special Session. So easy!
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Old 6th December 2020, 05:35 PM   #326
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2/ that's going to show that, among many other things."
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Is Trump even aware that his legal team disavowed Powell?
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Old 6th December 2020, 09:42 PM   #328
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
Oh tell Dilbert-boy to shut his trap. He never was the smartest person in the room like he thinks he is.
This, His shtick has gotten really old.
Sad really, because in it's prime DIlbert was so brilliant a comic strip.
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Old 6th December 2020, 09:46 PM   #329
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Originally Posted by Firestone View Post
Trump campaign now plagiarising Rick Astley ...
It takes a Winston Churchill to pull that kind of thing off. And Trump ain't no Churchill.to put it mildly.
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Old 6th December 2020, 10:26 PM   #330
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
This, His shtick has gotten really old.

Sad really, because in it's prime DIlbert was so brilliant a comic strip.
It went downhill pretty fast after he quit his day job.
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Old 7th December 2020, 12:05 AM   #331
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
This, His shtick has gotten really old.
Sad really, because in it's prime DIlbert was so brilliant a comic strip.
We must have been reading two different Dilberts.
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Old 7th December 2020, 12:07 AM   #332
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If there's anyone who can recognize criminal conduct, it's Kerik.
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Old 7th December 2020, 12:11 AM   #333
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Wait a minute.
They did a machine count where Melissa, the Cyber Security expert for Dominion, witnessed ballots being counted 8-10 times and yet the hand recount confirmed the win for Biden?
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My immediate thought as well.
Silly rabbits. Those that were scanned multiple times were so marked so the hand counters could recount them the same number of times.

VOTER FRAUD!!! RIGGED ELECTION!! 4 MORE YEARS.
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Old 7th December 2020, 12:52 AM   #334
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Old 7th December 2020, 12:58 AM   #335
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We must have been reading two different Dilberts.
I was working for AT&T/Lucent during its heyday, Dilbert was our comic strip. There were favourite strips pinned to every partition. I've even got a couple of the books. So sad to see what's become of its creator.
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Old 7th December 2020, 01:18 AM   #336
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Trump campaign now plagiarising Rick Astley ...
Or channeling Commander Peter Quincy Taggart
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The problem with Trump playing the "Never give up, never surrender" card is, if you really do intend to "never surrender", you must be willing to die in place, if winning becomes impossible.

And Trump is too much of a coward to ever do that. He'd be okay with a bunch of other people dying in place, but the minute his own ass is on the line, he'll start shouting "I surrender! I surrender!" faster than an auctioneer on speed.
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Old 7th December 2020, 06:19 AM   #338
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I was working for AT&T/Lucent during its heyday, Dilbert was our comic strip. There were favourite strips pinned to every partition. I've even got a couple of the books. So sad to see what's become of its creator.
It's so odd that Adams seems to have become everything that was mocked in his strip about the pointy haired boss.
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Old 7th December 2020, 06:37 AM   #339
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
This, His shtick has gotten really old.
Sad really, because in it's prime DIlbert was so brilliant a comic strip.
I never really got it but not being an engineer or computer science type, I guess I wasn't the target audience. It's sad that he's using what's left of his platform to betray his country.

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The problem with Trump playing the "Never give up, never surrender" card is, if you really do intend to "never surrender", you must be willing to die in place, if winning becomes impossible.

And Trump is too much of a coward to ever do that. He'd be okay with a bunch of other people dying in place, but the minute his own ass is on the line, he'll start shouting "I surrender! I surrender!" faster than an auctioneer on speed.
His niece, Mary, thinks he very well might make a final trip to a foreign country near the end of his term.

A one-way trip. To a country with no extradition treaty with the US. And there’s nothing that could be done to stop him.
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His niece, Mary, thinks he very well might make a final trip to a foreign country near the end of his term.

A one-way trip. To a country with no extradition treaty with the US. And there’s nothing that could be done to stop him.
At least that would stop him running in 2024.

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His niece, Mary, thinks he very well might make a final trip to a foreign country near the end of his term.

A one-way trip. To a country with no extradition treaty with the US. And there’s nothing that could be done to stop him.

It would seem that the addendum, "...but running away is fine!" kind of contradicts the "Never give up!" part.
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
The problem with Trump playing the "Never give up, never surrender" card is, if you really do intend to "never surrender", you must be willing to die in place, if winning becomes impossible.

And Trump is too much of a coward to ever do that. He'd be okay with a bunch of other people dying in place, but the minute his own ass is on the line, he'll start shouting "I surrender! I surrender!" faster than an auctioneer on speed.
You see, it is easy to show your bravado when you are at your peak, and when you fall, it is already more difficult to show how cool, invincible you are, you know everything and can do everything. And when you are replaced by someone else, when you are losing ground, it is harder to prove that you are right.
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The problem with Trump playing the "Never give up, never surrender" card is, if you really do intend to "never surrender", you must be willing to die in place, if winning becomes impossible.
I just watched Downfall, a German film about the last days of Hitler in his bunker as the Russians clobbered Berlin. Hitler preferred to commit suicide rather than surrender, which was certainly cowardly. Trump will just always pretend he never lost, which is arguably worse.
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It would seem that the addendum, "...but running away is fine!" kind of contradicts the "Never give up!" part.
You write that as if consistency was ever a consideration for Trump.

I think I posted his decision tree recently:

IF x is good for Donald Trump, THEN x, ELSE not x.

No reason to think he’ll be considering consistency - or anything else - when deciding whether or not to emigrate.
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I just watched Downfall, a German film about the last days of Hitler in his bunker as the Russians clobbered Berlin. Hitler preferred to commit suicide rather than surrender, which was certainly cowardly. Trump will just always pretend he never lost, which is arguably worse.
Since this whole debacle began I've been hoping that someone with sufficient influence would metaphorically guide Trump to the traditional small room with a bottle of whisky and a service revolver. But he's surrounded by enablers who are as cynical and/or deranged as he is.
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I just watched Downfall, a German film about the last days of Hitler in his bunker as the Russians clobbered Berlin. Hitler preferred to commit suicide rather than surrender, which was certainly cowardly. Trump will just always pretend he never lost, which is arguably worse.
Off topic a bit but: I don't agree it was cowardice for Hitler to commit suicide. His world was broken. In many cultures, suicide is a honorable way out of defeat. And, I mean, he would surely have been hanged by thy allies, had he surrendered alive. It takes some courage to take maters in your own hands.

... Which is exactly why I can't imagine Donald Trump doing it. He will take the Black Night route.

...Unless he suddenly finds it in his interest to accept defeat, in which case he won't give a thought to the people who tried to join him in his last stand.


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Off topic a bit but: I don't agree it was cowardice for Hitler to commit suicide. His world was broken. In many cultures, suicide is a honorable way out of defeat. And, I mean, he would surely have been hanged by thy allies, had he surrendered alive. It takes some courage to take maters in your own hands.
Is it honorable to commit suicide in German military culture? Certainly many Nazis took that option in 1945. It seems cowardly to me, for whatever that's worth.

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... Which is exactly why I can't imagine Donald Trump doing it. He will take the Black Night route.

...Unless he suddenly finds it in his interest to accept defeat, in which case he won't give a thought to the people who tried to join him in his last stand.
I think Trump's cowardice is not as questionable as Hitler's. Definitely Trump will follow his nature and keep lying and denying. It's the only way he can imagine he's not a loser.
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trump has shown in the past if he doesn't need someone, or they won't play by newly revised rules they go under the bus.
If he can sell out his toadies to save himself bet your last cent on what he would do.

It's coming down to unveiled threats already and no court nor state government has folded to pressure yet.
Hope holds strong for the correct outcome.
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Is it honorable to commit suicide in German military culture? Certainly many Nazis took that option in 1945. It seems cowardly to me, for whatever that's worth.



I think Trump's cowardice is not as questionable as Hitler's. Definitely Trump will follow his nature and keep lying and denying. It's the only way he can imagine he's not a loser.
It was Hitler's Götterdämmerung. He saw the war as only having two possible outcomes, the complete destruction of the Soviet Union or the complete destruction of Germany. Hitler's suicide was, I think in his mind and seeing his and Germany's fates being linked the final destruction of Germany.

This is also Trump's Götterdämmerung only this time Brünnhilde isn't riding into the flames, she's flying to South Florida after burning down Valhalla.
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Is it honorable to commit suicide in German military culture? Certainly many Nazis took that option in 1945. It seems cowardly to me, for whatever that's worth.
I think that's our culture's judgement on their culture. In both European and American thought there is an idea that it is better to die than to surrender, but in American sources, it only counts if you go down fighting.

This is not a blanket statement meant to cover every aspect of American tradition, but I think it's a general attitude. Patton's suggestion of "Don't die for your country. Make the other son of a bitch die for his country." has a very American ring to it.
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Is it honorable to commit suicide in German military culture? Certainly many Nazis took that option in 1945. It seems cowardly to me, for whatever that's worth.
Well, not as explicitly as in Japanese culture, but ... yes, in the context of fighting to death.

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I think Trump's cowardice is not as questionable as Hitler's. Definitely Trump will follow his nature and keep lying and denying. It's the only way he can imagine he's not a loser.
I agree, and not only that. He will do whatever he thinks serves him.

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It was Hitler's Götterdämmerung. He saw the war as only having two possible outcomes, the complete destruction of the Soviet Union or the complete destruction of Germany. Hitler's suicide was, I think in his mind and seeing his and Germany's fates being linked the final destruction of Germany.

This is also Trump's Götterdämmerung only this time Brünnhilde isn't riding into the flames, she's flying to South Florida after burning down Valhalla.
According to the film, Hitler had a strange contempt for the German people. He thought that if they weren't strong enough to win, they had no right to survive. There's a parallel with Trump -- if the American people aren't stupid enough to set aside their self-interest and swallow his BS, then they don't deserve to survive either.

Yeah, I didn't really intend to Godwin this thread, but here we are.
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Is it honorable to commit suicide in German military culture? Certainly many Nazis took that option in 1945. It seems cowardly to me, for whatever that's worth.

I remember a scene from a movie that my parents were watching when I was a kid. Hitler promoted an officer he didn't particularly like to General shortly before a battle that he commanded and lost. The General surrendered and was taken prisoner, and when Hitler learned this, he went on a rant about how he had specifically promoted the man so that he would commit suicide when defeated, and he couldn't even do that right.
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I just watched Downfall, a German film about the last days of Hitler in his bunker as the Russians clobbered Berlin.
Not sure what it says about me, but the scene from the movie that's stuck with me the most involves Blondi, his dog.
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His niece, Mary, thinks he very well might make a final trip to a foreign country near the end of his term.

A one-way trip. To a country with no extradition treaty with the US. And there’s nothing that could be done to stop him.
That's sort of fine. And when he goes, revoke his passport and/or citizenship. Then he is out forever, and also may not run for US president ever again no matter what he blusters about 2024.
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I remember a scene from a movie that my parents were watching when I was a kid. Hitler promoted an officer he didn't particularly like to General shortly before a battle that he commanded and lost. The General surrendered and was taken prisoner, and when Hitler learned this, he went on a rant about how he had specifically promoted the man so that he would commit suicide when defeated, and he couldn't even do that right.
Paulus, at Stalingrad. Made into Field Marshal at the last moment. Since no German Field Marshal has ever been captured alive the message was clear. But Paulus surrendered himself and his Army.
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Not sure what it says about me, but the scene from the movie that's stuck with me the most involves Blondi, his dog.
That was bad, but I think the part about Goebbels' kids was worse.
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