[Continuation] Brexit: Now What? The Perfect 10. - Page 87

wobs · 25th January 2021, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by ohms

Farage typically misremembering again, it was Nissan themselves who threatened to leave it there was no deal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54986195

Maybe they should have put that we should be paying the car industry millions on the side of that bus.

Darat · 25th January 2021, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

That's right John.
Farmers can just turn around and produce home grown tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers and soft fruit in the middle of winter with not enough greenhouse infrastructure to produce even a tenth of the demand.

He means turnips doesn't he?

You mean a Swiftian solution and we start to eat the cabinet....

Vixen · 25th January 2021, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by wobs

Maybe they should have put that we should be paying the car industry millions on the side of that bus.

What is the truth about Nissan? Someone who picketed outside their car production plant, has this to say about the development:

Quote:

The reality remains, however, that although Nissan has the zero tariffs they wanted, there still remain other ‘non-tariff’ barriers to trade – namely customs checks which will raise costs, cause delays and ultimately make them less competitive.

Every time the UK plant has to bid within Nissan to make a new model in Sunderland, we will see in practice how good the Brexit deal really is. Let’s not forget that the Sunderland plant did not win the bid to make their new electric car, the Ariya, due to concerns about Brexit.

Furthermore, Nissan would not confirm if bringing battery production to Sunderland would mean additional jobs at the plant itself.

Nissan paused one of its two production lines on Friday due to disruption at ports, which they say is due to the pandemic. Struggling to get car parts from the EU is clearly going to have an impact on production whatever the reason. However we have all seen on the news the disruption to ports caused by Brexit red tape.

https://northeastbylines.co.uk/are-t...in-sunderland/

Vixen · 25th January 2021, 05:57 AM

Here's a thread reader by David Lambert, who has been quoted in the FT and the DAILY MAIL, as being a UK wine importer affected by Brexit red-tape. He discovered logjams were happening because of old errors on HMRC webpages and unclear instructions.

Quote:

We are now 23 days into 2021, here is my second thread on how #brexit reality is holding my business back currently, as I watch the wine supply chain collapse before my very eyes. 1/22
Following on from my thread last week I was more than keen to resolve the issues I was having. With now famous #CHIEF computer declaration system, I again spent time checking the coding but sadly to no avail. 2/22
On Monday afternoon I was thrilled to receive a call from an extremely helpful HMRC senior officer from CDS/Chief team. She requested screen shots, which I supplied quickly, and she promised to reply as quickly as possible adding they were extremely busy with help enquiries. 3/22

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...827643904.html

lomiller · 25th January 2021, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Vixen

Who is going to pick all of the soft fruit now that the professional and efficient Romanian gangs have been sent packing? Brits don't want to do it that's for sure, despite much job advertising.

The beauty of Brexit is that pretty soon all those stuck up bankers will have no choice in the matter. They will HAVE to go out and pick crops if they don’t want to pick up and move to the EU where all the banking jobs are.

The Don · 25th January 2021, 07:49 AM

Yet another "Brexit dividend", online purchases from the EU are set to get more expensive:

Quote:

Credit card giant Mastercard is to raise the fees it charges merchants when UK cardholders buy goods and services from the EU by fivefold.

It has sparked fears that consumer prices could rise if merchants choose to pass on those costs, especially on items not available from UK retailers.

Transactions with airlines, hotels, car rentals and holiday firms based in the EU could all be affected.

Mastercard attributed the move to the UK's decision to leave the EU.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55796426

Mastercard claim that the additional costs won't be passed onto end users but added to the additional shipping costs and VAT costs, something's got to give.

No-one will be too surprised to find that the fees are capped by the EU and Brexit has allowed Mastercard to remove that cap. Sunlit ******* uplands my **** !

Tolls · 25th January 2021, 08:25 AM

Project Fear!!!

Oh...hang on...

Vixen · 25th January 2021, 10:00 AM

News at last about my post-Brexit parcel from the UK. It is now due to be delivered tomorrow. It has done the following rounds:

Glostrup, Denmark 22/01/2021 15:15 Arrived at Facility
Hamburg, Germany 22/01/2021 09:00 Departed from Facility
Hamburg, Germany 22/01/2021 08:00 Arrived at Facility
Herne-Boernig, Germany 22/01/2021 03:37 Departed from Facility
Herne-Boernig, Germany 22/01/2021 00:46 Arrived at Facility
Stanford Le Hope, United Kingdom 21/01/2021 12:45 Departed from Facility
Stanford Le Hope, United Kingdom 20/01/2021 14:39 Export Scan
13/01/2021 12:26 A delivery change for this package is in progress. / Your package will be delivered to an alternate address.
13/01/2021 12:20 A valid ID No. (tax, personal, deferment) required for clearance is missing. We're working to obtain this information. / Your package was released by the clearing agency.
13/01/2021 12:19 Your package is being processed at the clearance agency.
Stanford Le Hope, United Kingdom 12/01/2021 13:14 Export Scan
Stanford Le Hope, United Kingdom 12/01/2021 08:44 We've incorrectly sorted this package which may cause a delay.
Stanford Le Hope, United Kingdom 12/01/2021 07:21 Destination Scan
12/01/2021 08:59 Your parcel was released by the customs agency.
12/01/2021 08:59 A valid ID No. (tax, personal, deferment) required for clearance is missing. We're working to obtain this information.
Stanford Le Hope, United Kingdom 12/01/2021 05:54 Arrived at Facility
12/01/2021 06:44 Your package is being processed at the clearance agency.
12/01/2021 06:38 Your package is being processed at the clearance agency.
Tamworth, United Kingdom 12/01/2021 03:02 Departed from Facility
Tamworth, United Kingdom 12/01/2021 00:37 Origin Scan
United Kingdom 11/01/2021 17:12 Shipper created a label, UPS has not received the package yet.
Tracking results provided by UPS 25/01/2021 11:47 Eastern Time

So now it was in Denmark Friday and will somehow get here by tomorrow. According to Google Maps, Glostrup, Denmark is one thousand kilometres away and seventeen hours by road.

Vixen · 25th January 2021, 10:10 AM

Ballad of my post-Brexit parcel:

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I AGREE

'I've been everywhere, Man!'

Matthew Ellard · 25th January 2021, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

'I've been everywhere, Man!'

Well excuse me!

"I've been everywhere man" is an Australian song from 1959. When our former Australian prime minister and prize winning idiot Tony Abbott, who is currently working for fellow prize winning idiot prime minister, Boris Johnson , and establishes the UK, Australian, New Zealand, Canadian free trade block.....CANZUK .....we can loose you parcel in places you have never heard of!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OZWi-mTkNU

The Don · 26th January 2021, 12:50 AM

Looks like the BBC has latched onto the "I had to pay £xx to get my parcel" story as their indication of the "success" of Brexit.

Quote:

She was delighted to hear a friend had sent her a present: a pair of gold earrings from Greece. She was less impressed that she would have to pay nearly £30 in taxes to receive the gift.

The extra charges are a result of new post-Brexit rules that came into force on 1 January.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55752541

I guess that this, standing in the non-EU line in Spanish passport control and more expensive travel insurance/mobile phone roaming/wine will be the most visible effects of Brexit for most people.

Tolls · 26th January 2021, 01:24 AM

I think that was always going to be the case.
The other costs are likely to be absorbed and only appear in inflation figures, which are less immediately obvious to most people.

Summer will be interesting, presuming people will be able to travel abroad...

The Don · 26th January 2021, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by Tolls

I think that was always going to be the case.
The other costs are likely to be absorbed and only appear in inflation figures, which are less immediately obvious to most people.

Summer will be interesting, presuming people will be able to travel abroad...

If international holidays to the EU are possible then the headlines from the Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express and Daily Telegraph are predicable about the "EU punishing British holidaymakers" by forcing them to use non-EU lines and contrasting to other non-EU countries which are allowed to use the EU lines.

Of course those reports will fail to mention that the non-EU countries which are allowed to use the EU lines have signed up to free movement of people.

Tolls · 26th January 2021, 02:29 AM

They'll try, I'm just not sure how successful they'll be.
They've failed, for example, to turn the charges people are seeing on goods coming (eg ebay or amazon) as somehow the EUs fault.

The view that the deal we have with the EU is not what was promised is getting pretty firmly embedded.

The Don · 26th January 2021, 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by Tolls

They'll try, I'm just not sure how successful they'll be.
They've failed, for example, to turn the charges people are seeing on goods coming (eg ebay or amazon) as somehow the EUs fault.

The view that the deal we have with the EU is not what was promised is getting pretty firmly embedded.

Will they therefore push for the UK to renege on the deal on the grounds that a no-deal would be preferable ?

Wudang · 26th January 2021, 03:18 AM

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/bu...-favour/26/01/

Moody's analysis of the trade deal. The article is light on details but says

Quote:

"it largely lacks substance in areas vital to the UK economy".

Tolls · 26th January 2021, 03:20 AM

Ah, well.
I'm sure some will, but I would hope this stab of reality might wake some people up to what crashing out would mean.

I know, I know...I'm just an optimist!

Darat · 26th January 2021, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by Wudang

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/bu...-favour/26/01/

Moody's analysis of the trade deal. The article is light on details but says

You mean he read it? Why on earth did he read it - after all our own government hasn’t, plus of course it was never meant to do anything for UK trade - its purpose was to get Johnson good headlines for Christmas.

Wudang · 26th January 2021, 04:45 AM

I think someone said they "were doing their job". I seem to recall that phrase from somewhere but I can't recall its significance.

Wudang · 26th January 2021, 08:02 AM

Link to Moody's report

https://m.moodys.com/research/Moodys...K--PBC_1262240

25th January 2021, 03:59 AM	#3441
wobs Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Hull Posts: 2,298	Originally Posted by ohms Farage typically misremembering again, it was Nissan themselves who threatened to leave it there was no deal. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54986195 Maybe they should have put that we should be paying the car industry millions on the side of that bus.
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25th January 2021, 05:13 AM	#3442
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 96,150	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop That's right John. Farmers can just turn around and produce home grown tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers and soft fruit in the middle of winter with not enough greenhouse infrastructure to produce even a tenth of the demand. He means turnips doesn't he? You mean a Swiftian solution and we start to eat the cabinet....
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25th January 2021, 05:46 AM	#3443
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Suomi Posts: 20,268	Originally Posted by wobs Maybe they should have put that we should be paying the car industry millions on the side of that bus. What is the truth about Nissan? Someone who picketed outside their car production plant, has this to say about the development: Quote: The reality remains, however, that although Nissan has the zero tariffs they wanted, there still remain other ‘non-tariff’ barriers to trade – namely customs checks which will raise costs, cause delays and ultimately make them less competitive. Every time the UK plant has to bid within Nissan to make a new model in Sunderland, we will see in practice how good the Brexit deal really is. Let’s not forget that the Sunderland plant did not win the bid to make their new electric car, the Ariya, due to concerns about Brexit. Furthermore, Nissan would not confirm if bringing battery production to Sunderland would mean additional jobs at the plant itself. Nissan paused one of its two production lines on Friday due to disruption at ports, which they say is due to the pandemic. Struggling to get car parts from the EU is clearly going to have an impact on production whatever the reason. However we have all seen on the news the disruption to ports caused by Brexit red tape. https://northeastbylines.co.uk/are-t...in-sunderland/
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25th January 2021, 05:57 AM	#3444
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Suomi Posts: 20,268	Here's a thread reader by David Lambert, who has been quoted in the FT and the DAILY MAIL, as being a UK wine importer affected by Brexit red-tape. He discovered logjams were happening because of old errors on HMRC webpages and unclear instructions. Quote: We are now 23 days into 2021, here is my second thread on how #brexit reality is holding my business back currently, as I watch the wine supply chain collapse before my very eyes. 1/22 Following on from my thread last week I was more than keen to resolve the issues I was having. With now famous #CHIEF computer declaration system, I again spent time checking the coding but sadly to no avail. 2/22 On Monday afternoon I was thrilled to receive a call from an extremely helpful HMRC senior officer from CDS/Chief team. She requested screen shots, which I supplied quickly, and she promised to reply as quickly as possible adding they were extremely busy with help enquiries. 3/22 https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...827643904.html
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25th January 2021, 07:39 AM	#3445
lomiller Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 11,193	Originally Posted by Vixen Who is going to pick all of the soft fruit now that the professional and efficient Romanian gangs have been sent packing? Brits don't want to do it that's for sure, despite much job advertising. The beauty of Brexit is that pretty soon all those stuck up bankers will have no choice in the matter. They will HAVE to go out and pick crops if they don’t want to pick up and move to the EU where all the banking jobs are.
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25th January 2021, 07:49 AM	#3446
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,082	Yet another "Brexit dividend", online purchases from the EU are set to get more expensive: Quote: Credit card giant Mastercard is to raise the fees it charges merchants when UK cardholders buy goods and services from the EU by fivefold. It has sparked fears that consumer prices could rise if merchants choose to pass on those costs, especially on items not available from UK retailers. Transactions with airlines, hotels, car rentals and holiday firms based in the EU could all be affected. Mastercard attributed the move to the UK's decision to leave the EU. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55796426 Mastercard claim that the additional costs won't be passed onto end users but added to the additional shipping costs and VAT costs, something's got to give. No-one will be too surprised to find that the fees are capped by the EU and Brexit has allowed Mastercard to remove that cap. Sunlit ***** uplands my ** !

25th January 2021, 08:25 AM	#3447
Tolls Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: UK Posts: 5,227	Project Fear!!! Oh...hang on...

25th January 2021, 10:00 AM	#3448
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Suomi Posts: 20,268	News at last about my post-Brexit parcel from the UK. It is now due to be delivered tomorrow. It has done the following rounds: Glostrup, Denmark 22/01/2021 15:15 Arrived at Facility Hamburg, Germany 22/01/2021 09:00 Departed from Facility Hamburg, Germany 22/01/2021 08:00 Arrived at Facility Herne-Boernig, Germany 22/01/2021 03:37 Departed from Facility Herne-Boernig, Germany 22/01/2021 00:46 Arrived at Facility Stanford Le Hope, United Kingdom 21/01/2021 12:45 Departed from Facility Stanford Le Hope, United Kingdom 20/01/2021 14:39 Export Scan 13/01/2021 12:26 A delivery change for this package is in progress. / Your package will be delivered to an alternate address. 13/01/2021 12:20 A valid ID No. (tax, personal, deferment) required for clearance is missing. We're working to obtain this information. / Your package was released by the clearing agency. 13/01/2021 12:19 Your package is being processed at the clearance agency. Stanford Le Hope, United Kingdom 12/01/2021 13:14 Export Scan Stanford Le Hope, United Kingdom 12/01/2021 08:44 We've incorrectly sorted this package which may cause a delay. Stanford Le Hope, United Kingdom 12/01/2021 07:21 Destination Scan 12/01/2021 08:59 Your parcel was released by the customs agency. 12/01/2021 08:59 A valid ID No. (tax, personal, deferment) required for clearance is missing. We're working to obtain this information. Stanford Le Hope, United Kingdom 12/01/2021 05:54 Arrived at Facility 12/01/2021 06:44 Your package is being processed at the clearance agency. 12/01/2021 06:38 Your package is being processed at the clearance agency. Tamworth, United Kingdom 12/01/2021 03:02 Departed from Facility Tamworth, United Kingdom 12/01/2021 00:37 Origin Scan United Kingdom 11/01/2021 17:12 Shipper created a label, UPS has not received the package yet. Tracking results provided by UPS 25/01/2021 11:47 Eastern Time So now it was in Denmark Friday and will somehow get here by tomorrow. According to Google Maps, Glostrup, Denmark is one thousand kilometres away and seventeen hours by road.
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26th January 2021, 12:50 AM	#3451
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,082	Looks like the BBC has latched onto the "I had to pay £xx to get my parcel" story as their indication of the "success" of Brexit. Quote: She was delighted to hear a friend had sent her a present: a pair of gold earrings from Greece. She was less impressed that she would have to pay nearly £30 in taxes to receive the gift. The extra charges are a result of new post-Brexit rules that came into force on 1 January. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55752541 I guess that this, standing in the non-EU line in Spanish passport control and more expensive travel insurance/mobile phone roaming/wine will be the most visible effects of Brexit for most people.

26th January 2021, 01:24 AM	#3452
Tolls Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: UK Posts: 5,227	I think that was always going to be the case. The other costs are likely to be absorbed and only appear in inflation figures, which are less immediately obvious to most people. Summer will be interesting, presuming people will be able to travel abroad...

26th January 2021, 01:39 AM	#3453
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,082	Originally Posted by Tolls I think that was always going to be the case. The other costs are likely to be absorbed and only appear in inflation figures, which are less immediately obvious to most people. Summer will be interesting, presuming people will be able to travel abroad... If international holidays to the EU are possible then the headlines from the Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express and Daily Telegraph are predicable about the "EU punishing British holidaymakers" by forcing them to use non-EU lines and contrasting to other non-EU countries which are allowed to use the EU lines. Of course those reports will fail to mention that the non-EU countries which are allowed to use the EU lines have signed up to free movement of people.

26th January 2021, 02:29 AM	#3454
Tolls Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: UK Posts: 5,227	They'll try, I'm just not sure how successful they'll be. They've failed, for example, to turn the charges people are seeing on goods coming (eg ebay or amazon) as somehow the EUs fault. The view that the deal we have with the EU is not what was promised is getting pretty firmly embedded.

26th January 2021, 02:33 AM	#3455
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,082	Originally Posted by Tolls They'll try, I'm just not sure how successful they'll be. They've failed, for example, to turn the charges people are seeing on goods coming (eg ebay or amazon) as somehow the EUs fault. The view that the deal we have with the EU is not what was promised is getting pretty firmly embedded. Will they therefore push for the UK to renege on the deal on the grounds that a no-deal would be preferable ?

26th January 2021, 03:18 AM	#3456
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 13,395	https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/bu...-favour/26/01/ Moody's analysis of the trade deal. The article is light on details but says Quote: "it largely lacks substance in areas vital to the UK economy".
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26th January 2021, 03:20 AM	#3457
Tolls Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: UK Posts: 5,227	Ah, well. I'm sure some will, but I would hope this stab of reality might wake some people up to what crashing out would mean. I know, I know...I'm just an optimist!

26th January 2021, 04:32 AM	#3458
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 96,150	Originally Posted by Wudang https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/bu...-favour/26/01/ Moody's analysis of the trade deal. The article is light on details but says You mean he read it? Why on earth did he read it - after all our own government hasn’t, plus of course it was never meant to do anything for UK trade - its purpose was to get Johnson good headlines for Christmas.
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26th January 2021, 04:45 AM	#3459
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 13,395	I think someone said they "were doing their job". I seem to recall that phrase from somewhere but I can't recall its significance.
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26th January 2021, 08:02 AM	#3460
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 13,395	Link to Moody's report https://m.moodys.com/research/Moodys...K--PBC_1262240
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