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Old 7th July 2016, 12:23 AM   #1
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CCW holder killed reaching for ID.

Not the first time the police have shot someone for getting their ID when asked but fatal in this case. It will be interesting to see if the officer had a body camera recording this. He seems a little panicky to be in the field with a gun.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-license.html
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Old 7th July 2016, 01:10 AM   #2
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The old busted tail light and you end up dead trick. I think there is a business opportunity for a fail safe vehicle light system.
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I wonder if people asking for more gun in the hand of the population, realize that it will make such incident with cops far more often. Let me guess they will ask for more training for the cops.
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More disgusting police behaviour.
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Vlogging the drama is a priority over first aid these days.
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Isn't the correct away to phrase this for the many "police shoot thug with gun"?
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Vlogging the drama is a priority over first aid these days.
The officer was telling her to keep her hands where they were.
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
The officer was telling her to keep her hands where they were.

That short clip of him... he's the twitchiest officer I've seen in a while.
I wouldn't be BookFacing it, but I doubt I'd risk reaching anywhere near the armed guy.

Cops deal with CCW drivers every day... what was this guy's problem?



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He seems a little panicky to be in the field with a gun.

He does indeed.
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
The officer was telling her to keep her hands where they were.
Why on earth was she handcuffed? Is this SOP for partners of people murdered by police?
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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP View Post
That short clip of him... he's the twitchiest officer I've seen in a while.
I wouldn't be BookFacing it, but I doubt I'd risk reaching anywhere near the armed guy.

Cops deal with CCW drivers every day... what was this guy's problem?
He was the wrong skin color to have a legitimate CCW.
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From the linked articel:
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Reynolds says to her Facebook viewers that Castile was licensed to carry a weapon and told the officer he had a firearm as he reached for his wallet and ID.
Bad idea, telling a cop at a stop that you have a gun while you are reaching for something the cop can't see. A more experienced cop would likely have told him to stop reaching and get out of the car. It's far safer to tell the cop either before or after, but not while, reaching for your ID.
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Old 7th July 2016, 03:24 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by paulhutch View Post
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Bad idea, telling a cop at a stop that you have a gun while you are reaching for something the cop can't see. A more experienced cop would likely have told him to stop reaching and get out of the car. It's far safer to tell the cop either before or after, but not while, reaching for your ID.
Then I'm not sure what he should have done.....

Not complying with the request for ID may have ended up with him being shot.

Failing to say that he had a weapon which was subsequently found or glimpsed may have ended up with him being shot.

And clearly what he did wasn't a good idea either.
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Then I'm not sure what he should have done.....

Not complying with the request for ID may have ended up with him being shot.

Failing to say that he had a weapon which was subsequently found or glimpsed may have ended up with him being shot.

And clearly what he did wasn't a good idea either.
Exactly.

Now this has nothing to do with the proliferation of CCW? You know, something unknown to comparable First World countries? Nah, of course not. Heaven forbid. Guns put some gigantic force field around gun holders which make them safe. Indeed immortal.
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Then I'm not sure what he should have done.....

Not complying with the request for ID may have ended up with him being shot.

Failing to say that he had a weapon which was subsequently found or glimpsed may have ended up with him being shot.

And clearly what he did wasn't a good idea either.
His mistake was thinking he could have a concealed carry permit while black.
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His mistake was thinking he could have a concealed carry permit while black.
No doubt.
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Always shoot first. You'll have plenty of time to analyze the situation later.
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Then I'm not sure what he should have done.....
My third sentence.
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
The officer was telling her to keep her hands where they were.
I'd like to think I would be clearly narrating my intentions to provide aid and to hell with the consequences.
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Originally Posted by paulhutch View Post
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Bad idea, telling a cop at a stop that you have a gun while you are reaching for something the cop can't see. A more experienced cop would likely have told him to stop reaching and get out of the car. It's far safer to tell the cop either before or after, but not while, reaching for your ID.
this


for some though the cop was part of an execution squad against black people (otherwise known as thugs to some around here)
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for some though the cop was part of an execution squad against black people (otherwise known as thugs to some around here)
You of all people should recognise deliberate hyperbole when you see it.

The police here were poorly trained cowboys.

I've said it time and time again. The biggest problem with policing in the US is the vast number of police forces, each with different standards of recruitment, training and policy setting. A "force" of a hundred police can't have the same standards as the Met, the RCMP or state forces of 15,000+ in Australia.

Small forces have small mindsets and poor training. Leading to stupid events like this. Amalgamate US forces. Have state forces. Learn from others. For one of the very rare times.
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Then I'm not sure what he should have done....
Here is some advice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT-nePQuT-s

ETA:
Also, Chris Rock's video (start wathcing at the 2 minute mark) -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

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for some though the cop was part of an execution squad against black people (otherwise known as thugs to some around here)
Got it he shouldn't have obeyed the law as to what CCW holders need to do when stopped by a cop.
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A police promo with a white driver?

Yeah, sure that hits the spot.
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Jolly nice. All he needed to do next was offer him a nice cup of tea and they could do some knitting together or something.

Seems to happen differently in real life sometimes. Looks like if you get the secret words wrong you lose. Big time.
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... and I thought the situation after the incident in Baton Rouge was gonna be bad. This one hits much closer to home.
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
I'd like to think I would be clearly narrating my intentions to provide aid and to hell with the consequences.

The boyfriend allegedly did something similar and it got him shot. And with the officer knowing that the boyfriend had a gun, and the girlfriend reaching toward her boyfriend, the officer, in his apparent mental state, would almost certainly interpret the action as her reaching for the weapon.

She'd be dead, too, and there would be no one to provide the other side of the story.

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Just a few points. You are a young black man, with a CCW, driving around with a "busted taillight".

This is likely not the best idea to start with.

Upon being stopped, you'd think the lad would have kept his hands on the steering wheel, told the police officer clearly that he was a CCW permit holder, and that he was armed.... And asked for directions.

We get the impression that he was fishing for his wallet and perhaps the officer saw the pistol? That's not clear.
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Bad idea, telling a cop at a stop that you have a gun while you are reaching for something the cop can't see. A more experienced cop would likely have told him to stop reaching and get out of the car. It's far safer to tell the cop either before or after, but not while, reaching for your ID.
Many jurisdictions require licensed concealed carriers to immediately inform any LEO they're involved with that they are carrying and provide their carry license to the officer.
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Just a few points. You are a young black man, with a CCW, driving around with a "busted taillight".

This is likely not the best idea to start with.

Upon being stopped, you'd think the lad would have kept his hands on the steering wheel, told the police officer clearly that he was a CCW permit holder, and that he was armed.... And asked for directions.

We get the impression that he was fishing for his wallet and perhaps the officer saw the pistol? That's not clear.
He was the passenger. And the story is that he did inform the officer of his CCW status and being armed.

The mistake here was CCW while black.
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The cop told him not to reach for anything. He reached for something. He got shot. No sympathy.
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The cop told him not to reach for anything. He reached for something. He got shot. No sympathy.
Contempt of cop clearly deserving a death sentence. Here I thought people legally carrying guns were not threatening, so why the high stress? It is almost as if he found the CCW permit by a black man inherently threatening.
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He was the passenger.
A good example of how the quick distribution of a video without context can lead to a misleading scenario.
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Too many potential fuses for the situation to go horribly bad VERY quickly: Black guy, CCW, armed, jumpy cop also armed, car stop situation...

...and it did go wrong.

Heck, I'm NEVER going to hire a car again in the USA if this is how they issue tail-light tickets!
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He was the wrong skin color to have a legitimate CCW.
Nail, hit on head.

Wrong color to send in a CV, as if the name is black, even with no criminal record, he/she is only hired after any equivalently talented white person with a criminal record.
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The cop told him not to reach for anything. He reached for something. He got shot. No sympathy.
Yeah we know. Summary execution. Way to go US
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I wonder if people asking for more gun in the hand of the population, realize that it will make such incident with cops far more often. Let me guess they will ask for more training for the cops.
You assume by "population", they include black people.
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The boyfriend allegedly did something similar and it got him shot. And with the officer knowing that the boyfriend had a gun, and the girlfriend reaching toward her boyfriend, the officer, in his apparent mental state, would almost certainly interpret the action as her reaching for the weapon.

She'd be dead, too, and there would be no one to provide the other side of the story.
Exactly.

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Here is some advice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT-nePQuT-s

ETA:
Also, Chris Rock's video (start wathcing at the 2 minute mark) -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
Folks are still passing around that Chris Rock routine as if it were serious?

Personally, I'm wondering if the cop's immediate story - before he saw the video - is on record. I don't look forward to yet another story about how the black guy was glaring and menacing like some sort of rabid animal, nor the people who will swear that this must be the absolute truth, but I have a rim curiosity to know what the hell he was thinking.

I also expect the NRA to say little or nothing.
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The cop told him not to reach for anything. He reached for something. He got shot. No sympathy.
Fella, that was one heck of a multi-story leap off of Decency Heights you just took there.
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for some though the cop was part of an execution squad against black people (otherwise known as thugs to some around here)

"Some around here" meaning you and Skeptic Tank?
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Vlogging the drama is a priority over first aid these days.
What's that supposed to mean? The cop tells her to keep her hands visible, he's still holding the gun in the window, he's clearly hysterical.

What is she supposed to do?

And thank goodness she was live streaming because they confiscated her phone.
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