Justice Department appoints special prosecutor for Trump/Russia

Tony Stark · 17th May 2017, 03:05 PM

Deputy attorney general appoints special counsel to oversee probe of Russian interference in election
http://wapo.st/2pVno3F

ETA: Special council is former FBI Director Robert Mueller.

Trump is **********.

Tony Stark · 17th May 2017, 03:31 PM

Stacko · 17th May 2017, 03:35 PM

Rosenstein only gave the White House 30 mins heads up. I think he was mad about being made a patsy.

https://mobile.twitter.com/joshtpm/s...71821879308289

Tony Stark · 17th May 2017, 03:40 PM

Imagining how furious Trump is right now gives me tremendous schadenfreude.

acbytesla · 17th May 2017, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

Imagining how furious Trump is right now gives me tremendous schadenfreude.

What do we know about Mueller?

Stacko · 17th May 2017, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

What do we know about Mueller?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mueller

Newtons Bit · 17th May 2017, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

What do we know about Mueller?

He was the director of the FBI for both Bush and Obama.

Tony Stark · 17th May 2017, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

What do we know about Mueller?

He was the the Director of the FBI from 2001-2013.

He and Comey (then Deputy Attorney General) made the White House back down from their attempts at warrantless wiretapping back in 2004.

This is really bad for Trump. I feel confident that Mueller will prosecute any crimes he uncovers.

rustypouch · 17th May 2017, 03:53 PM

Fake News.^TM

acbytesla · 17th May 2017, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

He was the the Director of the FBI from 2001-2013.

He and Comey (then Deputy Attorney General) made the White House back down from their attempts at warrantless wiretapping back in 2004.

This is really bad for Trump. I feel confident that Muller will prosecute any crimes he uncovers.

Oh, that Mueller. Trump is **********.

acbytesla · 17th May 2017, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by rustypouch

Fake News.^TM

Will it be Fake News when they escort Trump out of the White House in cuffs?

Resume · 17th May 2017, 04:01 PM

This moron has only been in office five months and he's already damaged the Presidency.

Also, the market's taking a dump.

WilliamSeger · 17th May 2017, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

Imagining how furious Trump is right now gives me tremendous schadenfreude.

Have a kicker: Imagine how furious Ryan and McConnell are at Trump.

willhaven · 17th May 2017, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

Deputy attorney general appoints special counsel to oversee probe of Russian interference in election
http://wapo.st/2pVno3F

ETA: Special council is former FBI Director Robert Mueller.

Trump is **********.

Maybe, maybe not.

But at this point, at least I have the confidence that the chips will fall where they should if any wrongdoing is uncovered.

American institutions for the win.

acbytesla · 17th May 2017, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by willhaven

Maybe, maybe not.

But at this point, at least I have the confidence that the chips will fall where they should if any wrongdoing is uncovered.

American institutions for the win.

I agree. But something tells me there is fire behind all the smoke.

Skeptic Ginger · 17th May 2017, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

What do we know about Mueller?

He stood up to Bush.

Skeptic Ginger · 17th May 2017, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

This moron has only been in office five months and he's already damaged the Presidency. .

What did you expect? It's not like it hasn't been obvious from before Day 1 that he was incompetent and mentally off his nut.

I wouldn't worry about the Dow, the GOP still has time to do all their tax cuts for the rich and retracting regulations.

Polaris · 17th May 2017, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

Section (b)(ii) ought to about cover Trump's obstruction.

varwoche · 17th May 2017, 04:54 PM

I'm extremely disappointed that pre-campaign financial ties aren't part of the package.

Tony Stark · 17th May 2017, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by varwoche

I'm extremely disappointed that pre-campaign financial ties aren't part of the package.

Looks broad enough that it could be.

Tony Stark · 17th May 2017, 04:59 PM

Mitch McConnell walked away from questions about this without saying anything.

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/864974483072978944

varwoche · 17th May 2017, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

Imagining how furious Trump is right now gives me tremendous schadenfreude.

Same. His abject misery causes me unabashed joy.

chrispy · 17th May 2017, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by varwoche

Same. His abject misery causes me unabashed joy.

Me too! I have to say that watching this as an American expat is something else. If this were a political thriller I would say that it had jumped the shark by last week, yet in reality it keeps getting crazier and crazier. To the Americans on the board,what is the vibe on the street in your various necks of the woods? I'm hoping there is a palpable energy for this charlatan to get whats comin' to him.

Tony Stark · 17th May 2017, 05:20 PM

This was made possible because Jeff Sessions recused himself. Which he did as a response to it coming out that he lied about meeting with Russians during his Senate confirmation hearing.

lol

pgwenthold · 17th May 2017, 05:21 PM

Rogue Staff is saying they are trying to calm the President by pointing out this will probably slow things down. I'm sure it will slow some, but it's not going to slow the WashPo and David Fahrenfeld. They will keep attacking

Babbylonian · 17th May 2017, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by chrispy

Me too! I have to say that watching this as an American expat is something else. If this were a political thriller I would say that it had jumped the shark by last week, yet in reality it keeps getting crazier and crazier. To the Americans on the board,what is the vibe on the street in your various necks of the woods? I'm hoping there is a palpable energy for this charlatan to get whats comin' to him.

I live in Portland, Oregon (or close enough). That palpable energy has existed here since before the election.

chrispy · 17th May 2017, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

I live in Portland, Oregon (or close enough). That palpable energy has existed here since before the election.

haha. Makes sense to me!

varwoche · 17th May 2017, 05:25 PM

I wonder if there are really "tapes". And I wonder how many non family members know about them. And I wonder how hard it is for a POTUS to destroy "tapes" without collaborator(s). If this sort of mayhem happens, I picture the longtime bodyguard in on the action.

SezMe · 17th May 2017, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by varwoche

I'm extremely disappointed that pre-campaign financial ties aren't part of the package.

I think (b).2 covers that quite nicely. IMO, it will also encompass Sessions. Oh, joy!

portlandatheist · 17th May 2017, 05:30 PM

Shock, horror, suspense, astonishment, disbelief and delight. If this were a Netflix series I'd binge watch it at the deprivation of everything else. Is it too early to buy the champagne?

Tony Stark · 17th May 2017, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

Shock, horror, suspense, astonishment, disbelief and delight. If this were a Netflix series I'd binge watch it at the deprivation of everything else.

Real life is crazier than House of Cards.

Quote:

Is it too early to buy the champagne?

I wouldn't pop it quite yet but this is very bad for Trump. This could easily destroy his presidency. He should be scared.

Trebuchet · 17th May 2017, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

Real life is crazier than House of Cards.

I wouldn't pop it quite yet but this is very bad for Trump. This could easily destroy his presidency. He should be scared.

He should. But he's very, very, stupid.

You know what scares the bleep out of me? "President Pence". Trump, for all his multitude of faults, is at least not a fundie.

Minoosh · 17th May 2017, 05:43 PM

(To Chrispy)
I divide time between my rock-ribbed Republican mom and culturally Mexican teenagers. Neither has been able to stand Trump for quite some time now. The significance of the latest development IMO is not as obvious to people who haven't been obsessively following the news. I've never been as glued to the Internet as I am now. If you check the news once or twice a day, there may be enough fresh scandal to make none of it look that serious. Even the news of a special prosecutor appointment. The kids can't relate to Watergate and though mom is "with it" in the moment, at 92 she has such severe short-term memory loss that at every headline she asks me, "Do you like Donald Trump?" "No, I can't stand him" is my stock response.

Spindrift · 17th May 2017, 06:00 PM

Can Trump fire the special prosecutor?

If so, how long until he does?

Tony Stark · 17th May 2017, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Spindrift

Can Trump fire the special prosecutor?

No. He would have go the Nixon route of trying to make Rosenstein do it and firing him when he didn't. Then doing the same thing with the person to next hold the job until he found someone willing to do it.

acbytesla · 17th May 2017, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

No. He would have go the Nixon route of trying to make Rosenstein do it and firing him when he didn't. Then doing the same thing with the person to next hold the job until he found someone willing to do it.

I'm not sure he can do that. The special prosecutor statute has changed multiple times.

Foolmewunz · 17th May 2017, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

No. He would have go the Nixon route of trying to make Rosenstein do it and firing him when he didn't. Then doing the same thing with the person to next hold the job until he found someone willing to do it.

I think the Swedish Chef has the answer to that need.... "Bork!"

a_unique_person · 17th May 2017, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by portlandatheist

Shock, horror, suspense, astonishment, disbelief and delight. If this were a Netflix series I'd binge watch it at the deprivation of everything else. Is it too early to buy the champagne?

Looking at reboots of .."The West Wing " and "The Americans".

Tony Stark · 17th May 2017, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

I'm not sure he can do that. The special prosecutor statute has changed multiple times.

This is what the regulation says:

Quote:

(d) The Special Counsel may be disciplined or removed from office only by the personal action of the Attorney General. The Attorney General may remove a Special Counsel for misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest, or for other good cause, including violation of Departmental policies. The Attorney General shall inform the Special Counsel in writing of the specific reason for his or her removal.

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...00_17&rgn=div8

Babbylonian · 17th May 2017, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

This is what the regulation says:

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...00_17&rgn=div8

For this situation, substitute "Deputy Attorney General" since Sessions recused himself from this case.

17th May 2017, 03:05 PM	#1
Tony Stark Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 9,624	Justice Department appoints special prosecutor for Trump/Russia Deputy attorney general appoints special counsel to oversee probe of Russian interference in election http://wapo.st/2pVno3F ETA: Special council is former FBI Director Robert Mueller. Trump is **********.
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Stacko Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,495	Rosenstein only gave the White House 30 mins heads up. I think he was mad about being made a patsy. https://mobile.twitter.com/joshtpm/s...71821879308289
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Tony Stark Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 9,624	Imagining how furious Trump is right now gives me tremendous schadenfreude.
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acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 14,349	Originally Posted by Tony Stark Imagining how furious Trump is right now gives me tremendous schadenfreude. What do we know about Mueller?
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Stacko Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,495	Originally Posted by acbytesla What do we know about Mueller? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mueller
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Newtons Bit Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 10,016	Originally Posted by acbytesla What do we know about Mueller? He was the director of the FBI for both Bush and Obama.
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Tony Stark Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 9,624	Originally Posted by acbytesla What do we know about Mueller? He was the the Director of the FBI from 2001-2013. He and Comey (then Deputy Attorney General) made the White House back down from their attempts at warrantless wiretapping back in 2004. This is really bad for Trump. I feel confident that Mueller will prosecute any crimes he uncovers.
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17th May 2017, 03:57 PM	#10
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 14,349	Originally Posted by Tony Stark He was the the Director of the FBI from 2001-2013. He and Comey (then Deputy Attorney General) made the White House back down from their attempts at warrantless wiretapping back in 2004. This is really bad for Trump. I feel confident that Muller will prosecute any crimes he uncovers. Oh, that Mueller. Trump is **********.
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acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 14,349	Originally Posted by rustypouch Fake News.^TM Will it be Fake News when they escort Trump out of the White House in cuffs?
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WilliamSeger Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,210	Originally Posted by Tony Stark Imagining how furious Trump is right now gives me tremendous schadenfreude. Have a kicker: Imagine how furious Ryan and McConnell are at Trump.

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willhaven Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,049	Originally Posted by Tony Stark Deputy attorney general appoints special counsel to oversee probe of Russian interference in election http://wapo.st/2pVno3F ETA: Special council is former FBI Director Robert Mueller. Trump is **********. Maybe, maybe not. But at this point, at least I have the confidence that the chips will fall where they should if any wrongdoing is uncovered. American institutions for the win.

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acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 14,349	Originally Posted by willhaven Maybe, maybe not. But at this point, at least I have the confidence that the chips will fall where they should if any wrongdoing is uncovered. American institutions for the win. I agree. But something tells me there is fire behind all the smoke.
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Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 62,782	Originally Posted by acbytesla What do we know about Mueller? He stood up to Bush.

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Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 62,782	Originally Posted by Resume This moron has only been in office five months and he's already damaged the Presidency. . What did you expect? It's not like it hasn't been obvious from before Day 1 that he was incompetent and mentally off his nut. I wouldn't worry about the Dow, the GOP still has time to do all their tax cuts for the rich and retracting regulations.

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Polaris Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 11,029	Originally Posted by Tony Stark Section (b)(ii) ought to about cover Trump's obstruction.
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varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 10,377	I'm extremely disappointed that pre-campaign financial ties aren't part of the package.
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Tony Stark Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 9,624	Originally Posted by varwoche I'm extremely disappointed that pre-campaign financial ties aren't part of the package. Looks broad enough that it could be.
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Tony Stark Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 9,624	Mitch McConnell walked away from questions about this without saying anything. https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/864974483072978944
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varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 10,377	Originally Posted by Tony Stark Imagining how furious Trump is right now gives me tremendous schadenfreude. Same. His abject misery causes me unabashed joy.
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chrispy Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Mexico/Guatemala Posts: 294	Originally Posted by varwoche Same. His abject misery causes me unabashed joy. Me too! I have to say that watching this as an American expat is something else. If this were a political thriller I would say that it had jumped the shark by last week, yet in reality it keeps getting crazier and crazier. To the Americans on the board,what is the vibe on the street in your various necks of the woods? I'm hoping there is a palpable energy for this charlatan to get whats comin' to him.

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Tony Stark Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 9,624	This was made possible because Jeff Sessions recused himself. Which he did as a response to it coming out that he lied about meeting with Russians during his Senate confirmation hearing. lol
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Babbylonian Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 9,817	Originally Posted by chrispy Me too! I have to say that watching this as an American expat is something else. If this were a political thriller I would say that it had jumped the shark by last week, yet in reality it keeps getting crazier and crazier. To the Americans on the board,what is the vibe on the street in your various necks of the woods? I'm hoping there is a palpable energy for this charlatan to get whats comin' to him. I live in Portland, Oregon (or close enough). That palpable energy has existed here since before the election.
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chrispy Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Mexico/Guatemala Posts: 294	Originally Posted by Babbylonian I live in Portland, Oregon (or close enough). That palpable energy has existed here since before the election. haha. Makes sense to me!

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varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 10,377	I wonder if there are really "tapes". And I wonder how many non family members know about them. And I wonder how hard it is for a POTUS to destroy "tapes" without collaborator(s). If this sort of mayhem happens, I picture the longtime bodyguard in on the action.
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SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 22,183	Originally Posted by varwoche I'm extremely disappointed that pre-campaign financial ties aren't part of the package. I think (b).2 covers that quite nicely. IMO, it will also encompass Sessions. Oh, joy!

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portlandatheist Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,670	Shock, horror, suspense, astonishment, disbelief and delight. If this were a Netflix series I'd binge watch it at the deprivation of everything else. Is it too early to buy the champagne?

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Tony Stark Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 9,624	Originally Posted by portlandatheist Shock, horror, suspense, astonishment, disbelief and delight. If this were a Netflix series I'd binge watch it at the deprivation of everything else. Real life is crazier than House of Cards. Quote: Is it too early to buy the champagne? I wouldn't pop it quite yet but this is very bad for Trump. This could easily destroy his presidency. He should be scared.
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Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwet Posts: 13,264	Originally Posted by Tony Stark Real life is crazier than House of Cards. I wouldn't pop it quite yet but this is very bad for Trump. This could easily destroy his presidency. He should be scared. He should. But he's very, very, stupid. You know what scares the bleep out of me? "President Pence". Trump, for all his multitude of faults, is at least not a fundie.
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Minoosh Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 6,190	(To Chrispy) I divide time between my rock-ribbed Republican mom and culturally Mexican teenagers. Neither has been able to stand Trump for quite some time now. The significance of the latest development IMO is not as obvious to people who haven't been obsessively following the news. I've never been as glued to the Internet as I am now. If you check the news once or twice a day, there may be enough fresh scandal to make none of it look that serious. Even the news of a special prosecutor appointment. The kids can't relate to Watergate and though mom is "with it" in the moment, at 92 she has such severe short-term memory loss that at every headline she asks me, "Do you like Donald Trump?" "No, I can't stand him" is my stock response.
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17th May 2017, 06:05 PM	#35
Tony Stark Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 9,624	Originally Posted by Spindrift Can Trump fire the special prosecutor? No. He would have go the Nixon route of trying to make Rosenstein do it and firing him when he didn't. Then doing the same thing with the person to next hold the job until he found someone willing to do it.
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