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View Poll Results: Will they successfully clone a woolly mammoth?
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Old 19th February 2021, 11:21 AM   #41
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An Asian elephant mother presumably wouldn't be able teach the baby on how to find food and survive through snowy winter.
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Old 19th February 2021, 12:46 PM   #42
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This is relevant:

First clone of U.S. endangered species, a black-footed ferret, born in Colorado

They are not attempting to directly supplement the population through cloning, but instead are doing it to add genetic diversity to the breeding pool.

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“Biotechnology and genomic data can really make a difference on the ground with conservation efforts,” said Ben Novak, lead scientist with Revive & Restore, a biotechnology-focused conservation nonprofit that coordinated the ferret and horse clonings.
What else is this Novak guy working on?

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Novak, the lead scientist at Revive & Restore, calls himself the group’s “passenger pigeon guy” for his work to someday bring back the once common bird that has been extinct for over a century. Cloning birds is considered far more challenging than mammals because of their eggs, yet the group’s projects even include trying to bring back a woolly mammoth, a creature extinct for thousands of years.
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Old 19th February 2021, 12:59 PM   #43
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https://www.dw.com/en/japanese-scien...0mouse%20cells.


Article from 2019, Japanese team has some success implanting mammoth DNA into mouse embryos.

What are they trying to make? I guess a mouse sized mammoth would be cheaper to feed and a cool pet, but what if they get a mammoth sized mouse? Hide the cheese.
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Old 19th February 2021, 03:00 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
An Asian elephant mother presumably wouldn't be able teach the baby on how to find food and survive through snowy winter.
Probably not relevant if the cloned mammoth isn't thrown into the wild.
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Old 19th February 2021, 03:42 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Probably not relevant if the cloned mammoth isn't thrown into the wild.
Throwing mammoths around probably isn't advisable.
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Old 19th February 2021, 03:48 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post

but what if they get a mammoth sized mouse?
We'd need bigger cats;

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Old 19th February 2021, 03:57 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
The baby mammoth would have the wrong kind of mother and wouldn't be taught the ways of mammoth life. I don't know if that would be critical.
This is a good point. Is it ethical to recreate an individual of an extinct species, who will likely not have the benefit of the companionship and learning opportunities they would get from a community of mammoths?
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Old 19th February 2021, 04:09 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
This is a good point. Is it ethical to recreate an individual of an extinct species, who will likely not have the benefit of the companionship and learning opportunities they would get from a community of mammoths?
Well, humans do stuff like that all the time with wild animals raised in captivity. They will imprint on human "adoptive parents" if you raise them from a baby.

Trying to reintroduce an animal that has been raised that way to the wild is probably more ethically questionable.

You would need to set up some kind of animal sanctuary I think, complete with rangers and zoologists who can keep an eye on the animals in case they need assistance.
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Old 19th February 2021, 04:13 PM   #49
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You would need to set up some kind of animal sanctuary I think, complete with rangers and zoologists who can keep an eye on the animals in case they need assistance.
Pleistocene Park?
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Old 19th February 2021, 04:20 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Pleistocene Park?
Exactly. What could go wrong?
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Old 19th February 2021, 04:25 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Exactly. What could go wrong?
Indeed! We could also clone Neanderthals to act as rangers. Somewhere cold would be good. Scotland works for me. Plenty to eat, and not too warm for the mammoths. Even if they escaped, what harm could a mammoth do? Mind you, if the Neanderthals escaped....................nah, it's Scotland! Nobody would notice.
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Old 19th February 2021, 04:33 PM   #52
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Well, humans do stuff like that all the time with wild animals raised in captivity. They will imprint on human "adoptive parents" if you raise them from a baby.
Adopting an orphan who would otherwise certainly die is one thing - creating an individual is different. I mean, it would be cool, and we'd probably learn a lot, but is it the right thing to do?

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Trying to reintroduce an animal that has been raised that way to the wild is probably more ethically questionable.

You would need to set up some kind of animal sanctuary I think, complete with rangers and zoologists who can keep an eye on the animals in case they need assistance.
Definitely.
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Old 19th February 2021, 05:32 PM   #53
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Indeed! We could also clone Neanderthals to act as rangers. Somewhere cold would be good. Scotland works for me. Plenty to eat, and not too warm for the mammoths. Even if they escaped, what harm could a mammoth do? Mind you, if the Neanderthals escaped....................nah, it's Scotland! Nobody would notice.
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Old 19th February 2021, 05:54 PM   #54
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
An Asian elephant mother presumably wouldn't be able teach the baby on how to find food and survive through snowy winter.
It's potentially possible that the first generation would need human caretakers to help integrate them into the wild. I think this is done with rescued animals be rewilded sometimes, so isn't a completely new idea.
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Old 19th February 2021, 05:57 PM   #55
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Pleistocene Park?
You know that's a real project right?
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Old 19th February 2021, 05:59 PM   #56
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
This is a good point. Is it ethical to recreate an individual of an extinct species, who will likely not have the benefit of the companionship and learning opportunities they would get from a community of mammoths?
The idea, as I mentioned earlier, really isn't to clone a few individuals. It's to produce a large population, so they would have the companionship of a community of mammoths.
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These folks claim to be working on it.
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Old 22nd February 2021, 05:59 PM   #58
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Call me when they get around to cloning a T Rex. That is what people want to see.....
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Old 22nd February 2021, 06:33 PM   #59
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Call me when they get around to cloning a T Rex. That is what people want to see.....
Given that we don't have the DNA of a T Rex, and never will, that's not going to happen.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Call me when they get around to cloning a T Rex. That is what people want to see.....
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Given that we don't have the DNA of a T Rex, and never will, that's not going to happen.
Just to explain a bit more: woolly mammoths were still alive much more recently than the dinosaurs. The dinosaurs were all wiped out (except for birds) 65 million years ago, whereas some mammoths were still alive as recently as 3,700 years ago (most went extinct about 10,500 years ago at the end of the most recent ice age). Thus it is at least conceivable that some mammoth remains may be found with DNA that can still be read. T-rex DNA would have disappeared a long time ago.
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Old 22nd February 2021, 11:35 PM   #61
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This is a good point. Is it ethical to recreate an individual of an extinct species, who will likely not have the benefit of the companionship and learning opportunities they would get from a community of mammoths?
Oh please!

Minoosh I like you a lot and find your posts enjoyable, but this is nonsense.
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Old 22nd February 2021, 11:44 PM   #62
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Call me when they get around to cloning a T Rex. That is what people want to see.....
I think there's a relative lack of enthusiasm about Pleistocene megafauna. Maybe people just don't know much about them or they see them as just more exotic versions of what we have today. Whereas the dinosaurs just stimulate the imagination far more because, besides certain birds, we have little to work off of.

Ain't gonna happen though. Too much time has passed.
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I think they should genetically engineer them to be the size of Scotties. They'd be adorable.
Ah, the geneered lap-elephants. They appear in my gaming.


The black-footed ferret has been cloned.
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who cares, now that airlines don't accept emotional support animals anymore?
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