[Split Thread] Vitamin C as a cure for illnesses - Page 5

Hellbound · 2nd February 2021, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

Well they are made from "CHEMICALS"!!!

You know, the same things as the rest of the universe is made from.

Not to mention there are fewer chemicals in those synthetics than in “natural” remedies.

Not drug related, but an example none-the-less: strawberry flavor. There are over 200 organic compounds involved in the flavor of a natural strawberry. Artificial strawberry flavor? One synthetic chemical. And a simpler, better tested, better understood one.

Same with most meds. Natural remedies have hundreds of chemicals: whatever was in the plant. Often at levels that vary from plant to plant based on growing conditions, soil composition, time of planting and harvest, weather patterns, etc, etc. you may get anywhere from half to double the amount of active ingredients. Synthetics are made of only the active ingredients, no extras, with precise dosage control.

Not to mention the whole idea of natural=safe is trivially false: nightshade, oleander, ricin, etc. Heck, cocaine is a plant product, as is opium. They weren’t safe even before they got purified and concentrated.

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catsmate · 4th February 2021, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Lab produced drugs are synthetic for the most part. Nothing earthy about them as I can see.

Yes, they're just pure, consistent and effective.

abaddon · 4th February 2021, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Lab produced drugs are synthetic for the most part. Nothing earthy about them as I can see.

well, let's just ignore the fact that "lab produced" drugs saved my life for now.

If synthetic drugs are not from earth, where are they from? Mars? Saturn? where?

Blue Mountain · 4th February 2021, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

What are you talking about..sounds like a lot of anger coming out.

I take a couple pharma meds, BP meds and ibuprofen and tylenol and the rest is YES herbals and all the other non toxic food based, earth based medicine I research and have been for 30 yrs.

Just curious: if a tin of sliced peaches included deoxyribonucleic acid in its ingredients list, would you eat the peaches or discard them?

Caroline13 · 16th February 2021, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Blue Mountain

Just curious: if a tin of sliced peaches included deoxyribonucleic acid in its ingredients list, would you eat the peaches or discard them?

I didn't look up the acid but it's probably a preservative and I'd probably not be buying the peaches, but I'd eat them... Some preservatives are necessary for feeding our billions of population.

Caroline13 · 16th February 2021, 03:19 PM

On the Vit C subject, just heard my normal 1 hr with Dr. Victory on the radio where she discusses and answers covid questions daily..

And she is convinced and I've always been, for 30 some yrs, everyone would be healthier and many who have died from covid related issues, would be alive today had they had adequate/optimal Vit C, Vit C, Zinc, Quercetine and for me I've been taking Grape Seed Extract for 25 yrs, and no colds, flu or vaccines in about 30some yrs.

It's tragic but true. And our leaders are silent on this type of information.

They go off on masks, distancing, hand sanitizers and here comes the vaccines, so hang in...B.S. They are failing everyone. Newsome will pay when he is recalled which is coming.

bruto · 16th February 2021, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I didn't look up the acid but it's probably a preservative and I'd probably not be buying the peaches, but I'd eat them... Some preservatives are necessary for feeding our billions of population.

You probably should.

whoanellie · 16th February 2021, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I didn't look up the acid but it's probably a preservative and I'd probably not be buying the peaches, but I'd eat them... Some preservatives are necessary for feeding our billions of population.

This is hilarious.

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Trebuchet · 16th February 2021, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

You probably should.

Just don't tell her about the Dihydrogen Monoxide!

Gord_in_Toronto · 16th February 2021, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Just don't tell her about the Dihydrogen Monoxide!

I thought I had warned her.

Blue Mountain · 17th February 2021, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Just don't tell her about the Dihydrogen Monoxide!

I just did a web search for dihydrogen monoxide and came across Dihydrogen Monoxide Research Division site. This is dangerous stuff!

The FAQ has an extensive list of its hazards. Here's only a few of them:

Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
Contact with DHMO often ruins electronic devices like computers and cell phones.

I, for one, support a ban on this noxious substance.

catsmate · 17th February 2021, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

And she is convinced and I've always been, for 30 some yrs, everyone would be healthier and many who have died from covid related issues, would be alive today had they had adequate/optimal Vit C, Vit C, Zinc, Quercetine and for me

You're both utterly wrong.

Carrot Flower King · 18th February 2021, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I didn't look up the acid but it's probably a preservative and I'd probably not be buying the peaches, but I'd eat them... Some preservatives are necessary for feeding our billions of population.

And you wonder why some of us struggle to take you in any way seriously when you blether on with your pseudo-medical nonsense and your unevidenced assertions...

Caroline13 · 18th February 2021, 10:52 AM

All you non believers in Vit C, continue your path, there will always be a good supply for use who have faith in it for our healing.

Caroline13 · 18th February 2021, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

And you wonder why some of us struggle to take you in any way seriously when you blether on with your pseudo-medical nonsense and your unevidenced assertions...

Don't struggle, don't read my info. Where is your common sense, just insisting on bringing others down is what I see from SO MANY here. Must bring so much pleasure. Sad pleasure as I see it.

Caroline13 · 18th February 2021, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by bruto

You probably should.

I don't have to look everything up, it's a preservative plain and simple...Anything hard to pronounce is probably not good to ingest, but foods are full of preservatives...

Pixel42 · 18th February 2021, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

All you non believers in Vit C, continue your path, there will always be a good supply for use who have faith in it for our healing.

I'm pretty sure there's no one contributing to this thread who doesn't believe in Vitamin C. What a bizarre thing to say. It's an essential vitamin, it's important to ensure your diet isn't deficient in it. It's just not a magic cure for everything that ails you.

kali1137 · 18th February 2021, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Don't struggle, don't read my info. Where is your common sense, just insisting on bringing others down is what I see from SO MANY here. Must bring so much pleasure. Sad pleasure as I see it.

It's not about bringing others down or seeking in pleasure. It is trying to educate someone who is in dire need of it. I doubt that is likely in your case as you seem to not want to learn anything but keep spouting out the same tired misinformation. So what I see it as, is an attempt to not have people see that misinformation and believe it. Silly nonsense like Ouija boards and bigfoot cause no harm, but what you are spouting can literally get someone killed. The fact you truly don't care about that is what is most disturbing.

whoanellie · 18th February 2021, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I don't have to look everything up, it's a preservative plain and simple...Anything hard to pronounce is probably not good to ingest, but foods are full of preservatives...

You don't have to but you should look it up. Otherwise you are ignorant.
It's not a preservative.
Food is full of it.
It's perfectly safe to eat
.

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bruto · 18th February 2021, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I don't have to look everything up, it's a preservative plain and simple...Anything hard to pronounce is probably not good to ingest, but foods are full of preservatives...

No. Caroline. You have fallen into a monkey trap. You will not escape unless you let go of something.

Carrot Flower King · 18th February 2021, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Don't struggle, don't read my info. Where is your common sense, just insisting on bringing others down is what I see from SO MANY here. Must bring so much pleasure. Sad pleasure as I see it.

You've clearly not understood a thing I've posted in any of these threads.

I've more than enough common sense, but know where it ends and you need some decent hard, repeatable evidence.

Much of what you post and claim is flat out dangerous. Pointing this out is not to bring anyone down, but to highlight the lack of evidence and danger of these claims, made by someone who eventually fessed up to be a Big Vit Shill and has clearly made faaaaaar more money from that than I have from anything pharmaceutical (for avoidance of doubt I have not made a single penny from anything pharmaceutical).

If you are brought down by folk not falling for your sales pitch and calling you out, that's for you to sort out for yourself. Personally I'd far rather you charlatans and frauds who endanger other people's lives would just shut up, but freedom of speech'n'all that...And so what you say will be questioned, freedom of speech'n'all that.

If what you claim is so brilliant there must be loads of good evidence: where is it? You've not shown it yet.

"Common sense" should tell anyone that someone who makes claims and persistently and consistently refuses to back them up is...What words am I allowed to use here?

Carrot Flower King · 18th February 2021, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I don't have to look everything up, it's a preservative plain and simple...Anything hard to pronounce is probably not good to ingest, but foods are full of preservatives...

Are you for real?

You seriously do not know what was referred to? You wonder why I said I shouldn't take you seriously. That's why...

Hint: it is nothing like a preserrvative and you are well screwed without it.

And the "I don't like that word, 'cos it's too complicated!" is another mark on the Alt Med Bingo card...

Caroline13 · 18th February 2021, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

I'm pretty sure there's no one contributing to this thread who doesn't believe in Vitamin C. What a bizarre thing to say. It's an essential vitamin, it's important to ensure your diet isn't deficient in it. It's just not a magic cure for everything that ails you.

Where did the cures all come from? I don't know who said that? Good Grief.

Caroline13 · 18th February 2021, 12:08 PM

Hey Carrot Flower King...your username is very nice and health sounding, but sure doesn't fit you and the way you come across to me anyway.

Caroline13 · 18th February 2021, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by kali1137

It's not about bringing others down or seeking in pleasure. It is trying to educate someone who is in dire need of it. I doubt that is likely in your case as you seem to not want to learn anything but keep spouting out the same tired misinformation. So what I see it as, is an attempt to not have people see that misinformation and believe it. Silly nonsense like Ouija boards and bigfoot cause no harm, but what you are spouting can literally get someone killed. The fact you truly don't care about that is what is most disturbing.

I'm not looking to be educated here, I believe I have a very balanced life and have looked into and gone into many things in life.

How many of you experts have done sunbathing on nude beaches? Talk about getting good dosing of Vit D. And stepping out of the comfort zone that MOST live in.

And if I wanted to use a pendulum and muscle testing, what is the harm? And you people, omg

Caroline13 · 18th February 2021, 12:17 PM

And continue to live in your Scientific Box (closed box).

Carrot Flower King · 18th February 2021, 12:18 PM

Has anyone else considered the possibility that "Caroline13" is a complete wind up: we've got pretty much the full Alt Med/Anti-Vax Bingo Card, all the alt-med and anti-vax tropes and more; doubling down on certain egregious errors; refusing to answer questions and all the rest.

It's almost too good to be true.

Are we being played here?

PS Caroline, my user name is a song reference, but I couldn't use the full title. I had a long and, though I say so myself, pretty succesful career in healthcare. If I come across differently to you that is purely because of what you post: I'm very nice to sensible people, less so to those who persistently spout dangerous nonsense, just ask Carrot Flower Queen...

Carrot Flower King · 18th February 2021, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

And continue to live in your Scientific Box (closed box).

And another irony meter goes...

From the person who talks about open minds...

Oh, while we are here: might you like to explain why taking any form of thyroid medication without regular blood tests is in any way recommendable, therapeutically effective or safe?

Pixel42 · 18th February 2021, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Where did the cures all come from? I don't know who said that? Good Grief.

It's an expression. I'm just saying that statements like this

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Vit C and recently added Amla (goosberry) and I absolutely know these are a major factor in my life of good health, no colds, flu and other sickness for over 30 yrs and I'm 82,

are not justified. Provided you eat sensibly, there is no evidence that taking Vitamin C supplements will significantly reduce your chances of getting sick. Assuming a connection between the two things is an example of the post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy.

Pixel42 · 18th February 2021, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

Has anyone else considered the possibility that "Caroline13" is a complete wind up

Yes.

Finster · 18th February 2021, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

Has anyone else considered the possibility that "Caroline13" is a complete wind up: w

Yep

kali1137 · 18th February 2021, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I'm not looking to be educated here, I believe I have a very balanced life and have looked into and gone into many things in life.

How many of you experts have done sunbathing on nude beaches? Talk about getting good dosing of Vit D. And stepping out of the comfort zone that MOST live in.

And if I wanted to use a pendulum and muscle testing, what is the harm? And you people, omg

And if you were just spouting pendulum and muscle testing you would likely be getting less reactions. But telling people to take vit c, don't get vaccines, don't go to doctors, don't wear masks - that ignorance puts lives at risk. You are clearly not here to learn anything, can't back up any of your claims and don't even try, so what is it you are looking for here? All you do is start a post with the same dangerous claims, refuse to back up the statements or show any proof, abandon that thread and start a new one with the same garbage - rinse and repeat.

bruto · 18th February 2021, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I'm not looking to be educated here, I believe I have a very balanced life and have looked into and gone into many things in life.

How many of you experts have done sunbathing on nude beaches? Talk about getting good dosing of Vit D. And stepping out of the comfort zone that MOST live in.

And if I wanted to use a pendulum and muscle testing, what is the harm? And you people, omg

Nude sunbathing has some hazards in my climate, and like many others here, I do take vitamin D. One can acknowledge the importance of vitamins and other measures without indulging in anti-vaccine hokum.

That last sentence indicates a problem I don't think you've worked out properly. There is, of course, no harm in using a pendulum and muscle testing, etc., but that is a far different thing from recommending a practice, or suggesting it has benefits which cannot be substantiated.

You have not just recommended what you do, but criticized in insulting and uncivil terms those who do otherwise.

abaddon · 18th February 2021, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I'm not looking to be educated here, I believe I have a very balanced life and have looked into and gone into many things in life.

How many of you experts have done sunbathing on nude beaches? Talk about getting good dosing of Vit D. And stepping out of the comfort zone that MOST live in.

Well. it gave me skin cancer, should I ignore that?

Originally Posted by Caroline13

And if I wanted to use a pendulum and muscle testing, what is the harm? And you people, omg

And now we are into the madness of dowsing. I have no idea how many times that needs to be debunked. As for the "what's the harm" citation, people die because of this nonsense, children are murdered because of this nonsense.

But that is OK with you for some reason.

Blue Mountain · 18th February 2021, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I'm not looking to be educated here, I believe I have a very balanced life and have looked into and gone into many things in life.

How many of you experts have done sunbathing on nude beaches? Talk about getting good dosing of Vit D. And stepping out of the comfort zone that MOST live in.

And if I wanted to use a pendulum and muscle testing, what is the harm? And you people, omg

Originally Posted by Caroline13

I don't have to look everything up, it's a preservative plain and simple...Anything hard to pronounce is probably not good to ingest, but foods are full of preservatives...

Originally Posted by Caroline13

And continue to live in your Scientific Box (closed box).

Okay, here's the reveal: the abbreviation for deoxyribonucleic acid, which you claim is a "preservative, pure and simple," is DNA. It's the literal building block of all life on Earth. Every organic thing on the planet, from the simplest bacteria to all plants and animals to the largest animal on Earth, has DNA. It's impossible to exist without it.

Assuming you're being sincere here and not merely trolling us, the highlighted shows your problem. You relied on your "common sense," refused to look something up, and made a laughable mistake. This pattern extends to many of your other pronouncements here, with the exception that many of your mistakes are not laughable, but serious enough to cause you harm.

You're clearly trying to educate us, but have no interest in expanding your knowledge base beyond your own comfort zone.

I'm amazed that you fell into such a simple trap. But given that you're unwilling to learn, or even to do a basic investigation such as looking up an unfamiliar term (instead, just making an assumption about it) shows why you fell into the trap. And why we're not taking very kindly to your posts.

As skeptics we learn not to take things at face value. We look for evidence to support our claims, and if the evidence shows otherwise we adjust our claims. "When an honest person is shown to be mistaken, that person will wither cease being mistaken or cease being honest." For our point of view, you're sadly of the latter and not the former.

Foster Zygote · 21st February 2021, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Caroline13

Anything hard to pronounce is probably not good to ingest...

Things like cholecalciferol or ascorbic acid?

bigred · 21st February 2021, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by kali1137

what you are spouting can literally get someone killed. The fact you truly don't care about that is what is most disturbing.

Welcome to the alt-med world. They aren't interested in truth or having both eyes wide (or even half-way) open; they're only interested in believing what sounds all warm and fuzzy. So what if it's wrong?

I think it's rather obvious this is a troll, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be called out and props to y'all for doing so (even if it is like beating up a 10 yr old). I've battled this group more than once with unproven quackery cancer cures (Vitamin C "megadoses" among them) and will continue to do so for the reasons you posted. Whether it's done due to trolling or ignorance almost doesn't matter; it's inexcusable either way. And slime like Mercola, Pauling et all leading the way should have been locked up the minute they started touting such BS. That they weren't is IMO a crime as well, as God knows how many lives it may have taken from vulnerable/desperate people who bought into it.

I saw a TED talk recently where the guy touched on some of this and I remember this quote: "You're entitled to your own opinions. You are not entitled to your own facts."

Science is hardly perfect, but at least it (by definition) kicks its claims in the tires with studies, tests, etc. Alt-med requires no proof, no evidence, not even rational thought. That so many people buy into it anyway is, as kali said, disturbing, to put it mildly.

Carrot Flower King · 22nd February 2021, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Things like cholecalciferol or ascorbic acid?

Trying to run one's life based on a lack of linguistic skills must get quite tricky - pauses to have a slurp of liquid containing riboflavine, magnesium, some mono-amine oxidase inhibitors, such as beta-carboline, and a bunch of polyphenols, which my body will turn into some paraxanthines, such as theobromine and theophiline. Tastes gooooooooood!

Gord_in_Toronto · 22nd February 2021, 12:24 PM

@Caroline13

Just for the LOLs

But I would love an answer.

Could you please explain why your formula for long life is better than what I have posted from people who have lived to be 100 by smoking and drinking? Who should I believe? Why?

Caroline13 · 22nd February 2021, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

@Caroline13

Just for the LOLs

But I would love an answer.

Could you please explain why your formula for long life is better than what I have posted from people who have lived to be 100 by smoking and drinking? Who should I believe? Why?

I don't know what you are looking for. I've made it good to 82 with some issues but all in all very grateful and live with thanks for my life.

Live to be 100, I'm not thinking that and to me that can be a Curse also.

And I never smoked, my son in law is dead at 55 and he smoked, and drank, I did my share but haven't touched any booze in maybe 8 yrs or so, don't miss it, don't need it, don't want it and the money I save. Dad drank to 2 weeks before he died, beer, and he was almost 95. Dad never smoked, this may have been his saving grace, but he was so ready to check out when he finally did.

What else do you want to know.

2nd February 2021, 09:09 PM	#161
Hellbound Merchant of Doom Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not in Hell, but I can see it from here on a clear day... Posts: 14,388	Vitamin C as a cure for illnesses Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto Well they are made from "CHEMICALS"!!! You know, the same things as the rest of the universe is made from. Not to mention there are fewer chemicals in those synthetics than in “natural” remedies. Not drug related, but an example none-the-less: strawberry flavor. There are over 200 organic compounds involved in the flavor of a natural strawberry. Artificial strawberry flavor? One synthetic chemical. And a simpler, better tested, better understood one. Same with most meds. Natural remedies have hundreds of chemicals: whatever was in the plant. Often at levels that vary from plant to plant based on growing conditions, soil composition, time of planting and harvest, weather patterns, etc, etc. you may get anywhere from half to double the amount of active ingredients. Synthetics are made of only the active ingredients, no extras, with precise dosage control. Not to mention the whole idea of natural=safe is trivially false: nightshade, oleander, ricin, etc. Heck, cocaine is a plant product, as is opium. They weren’t safe even before they got purified and concentrated. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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4th February 2021, 02:33 PM	#162
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,835	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Lab produced drugs are synthetic for the most part. Nothing earthy about them as I can see. Yes, they're just pure, consistent and effective.
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4th February 2021, 02:38 PM	#163
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 21,294	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Lab produced drugs are synthetic for the most part. Nothing earthy about them as I can see. well, let's just ignore the fact that "lab produced" drugs saved my life for now. If synthetic drugs are not from earth, where are they from? Mars? Saturn? where?
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4th February 2021, 06:00 PM	#164
Blue Mountain Resident Skeptical Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Waging war on woo-woo in Winnipeg Posts: 6,454	Originally Posted by Caroline13 What are you talking about..sounds like a lot of anger coming out. I take a couple pharma meds, BP meds and ibuprofen and tylenol and the rest is YES herbals and all the other non toxic food based, earth based medicine I research and have been for 30 yrs. Just curious: if a tin of sliced peaches included deoxyribonucleic acid in its ingredients list, would you eat the peaches or discard them?
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16th February 2021, 03:13 PM	#165
Caroline13 Thinker Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 220	Originally Posted by Blue Mountain Just curious: if a tin of sliced peaches included deoxyribonucleic acid in its ingredients list, would you eat the peaches or discard them? I didn't look up the acid but it's probably a preservative and I'd probably not be buying the peaches, but I'd eat them... Some preservatives are necessary for feeding our billions of population.
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16th February 2021, 03:19 PM	#166
Caroline13 Thinker Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 220	On the Vit C subject, just heard my normal 1 hr with Dr. Victory on the radio where she discusses and answers covid questions daily.. And she is convinced and I've always been, for 30 some yrs, everyone would be healthier and many who have died from covid related issues, would be alive today had they had adequate/optimal Vit C, Vit C, Zinc, Quercetine and for me I've been taking Grape Seed Extract for 25 yrs, and no colds, flu or vaccines in about 30some yrs. It's tragic but true. And our leaders are silent on this type of information. They go off on masks, distancing, hand sanitizers and here comes the vaccines, so hang in...B.S. They are failing everyone. Newsome will pay when he is recalled which is coming.

16th February 2021, 04:05 PM	#167
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 27,708	Originally Posted by Caroline13 I didn't look up the acid but it's probably a preservative and I'd probably not be buying the peaches, but I'd eat them... Some preservatives are necessary for feeding our billions of population. You probably should.
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16th February 2021, 04:09 PM	#168
whoanellie Muse Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 782	Originally Posted by Caroline13 I didn't look up the acid but it's probably a preservative and I'd probably not be buying the peaches, but I'd eat them... Some preservatives are necessary for feeding our billions of population. This is hilarious. Sent from my SM-G981V using Tapatalk
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16th February 2021, 08:32 PM	#169
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,025	Originally Posted by bruto You probably should. Just don't tell her about the Dihydrogen Monoxide!
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16th February 2021, 08:50 PM	#170
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,404	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Just don't tell her about the Dihydrogen Monoxide! I thought I had warned her.
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17th February 2021, 01:50 PM	#171
Blue Mountain Resident Skeptical Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Waging war on woo-woo in Winnipeg Posts: 6,454	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Just don't tell her about the Dihydrogen Monoxide! I just did a web search for dihydrogen monoxide and came across Dihydrogen Monoxide Research Division site. This is dangerous stuff! The FAQ has an extensive list of its hazards. Here's only a few of them: Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities. DHMO is a major component of acid rain. Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns. Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits. Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions. Contact with DHMO often ruins electronic devices like computers and cell phones. I, for one, support a ban on this noxious substance.
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17th February 2021, 02:57 PM	#172
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,835	Originally Posted by Caroline13 And she is convinced and I've always been, for 30 some yrs, everyone would be healthier and many who have died from covid related issues, would be alive today had they had adequate/optimal Vit C, Vit C, Zinc, Quercetine and for me You're both utterly wrong.
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18th February 2021, 09:42 AM	#173
Carrot Flower King Muse Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 736	Originally Posted by Caroline13 I didn't look up the acid but it's probably a preservative and I'd probably not be buying the peaches, but I'd eat them... Some preservatives are necessary for feeding our billions of population. And you wonder why some of us struggle to take you in any way seriously when you blether on with your pseudo-medical nonsense and your unevidenced assertions...

18th February 2021, 10:52 AM	#174
Caroline13 Thinker Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 220	All you non believers in Vit C, continue your path, there will always be a good supply for use who have faith in it for our healing.

18th February 2021, 10:55 AM	#175
Caroline13 Thinker Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 220	Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King And you wonder why some of us struggle to take you in any way seriously when you blether on with your pseudo-medical nonsense and your unevidenced assertions... Don't struggle, don't read my info. Where is your common sense, just insisting on bringing others down is what I see from SO MANY here. Must bring so much pleasure. Sad pleasure as I see it.

18th February 2021, 10:57 AM	#176
Caroline13 Thinker Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 220	Originally Posted by bruto You probably should. I don't have to look everything up, it's a preservative plain and simple...Anything hard to pronounce is probably not good to ingest, but foods are full of preservatives...

18th February 2021, 11:11 AM	#177
Pixel42 Schrödinger's cat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Malmesbury, UK Posts: 12,998	Originally Posted by Caroline13 All you non believers in Vit C, continue your path, there will always be a good supply for use who have faith in it for our healing. I'm pretty sure there's no one contributing to this thread who doesn't believe in Vitamin C. What a bizarre thing to say. It's an essential vitamin, it's important to ensure your diet isn't deficient in it. It's just not a magic cure for everything that ails you.
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18th February 2021, 11:20 AM	#178
kali1137 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Purgatory, PA Posts: 1,655	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Don't struggle, don't read my info. Where is your common sense, just insisting on bringing others down is what I see from SO MANY here. Must bring so much pleasure. Sad pleasure as I see it. It's not about bringing others down or seeking in pleasure. It is trying to educate someone who is in dire need of it. I doubt that is likely in your case as you seem to not want to learn anything but keep spouting out the same tired misinformation. So what I see it as, is an attempt to not have people see that misinformation and believe it. Silly nonsense like Ouija boards and bigfoot cause no harm, but what you are spouting can literally get someone killed. The fact you truly don't care about that is what is most disturbing.

18th February 2021, 11:32 AM	#179
whoanellie Muse Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 782	Originally Posted by Caroline13 I don't have to look everything up, it's a preservative plain and simple...Anything hard to pronounce is probably not good to ingest, but foods are full of preservatives... You don't have to but you should look it up. Otherwise you are ignorant. It's not a preservative. Food is full of it. It's perfectly safe to eat . Sent from my SM-G981V using Tapatalk
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18th February 2021, 11:36 AM	#180
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 27,708	Originally Posted by Caroline13 I don't have to look everything up, it's a preservative plain and simple...Anything hard to pronounce is probably not good to ingest, but foods are full of preservatives... No. Caroline. You have fallen into a monkey trap. You will not escape unless you let go of something.
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18th February 2021, 11:37 AM	#181
Carrot Flower King Muse Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 736	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Don't struggle, don't read my info. Where is your common sense, just insisting on bringing others down is what I see from SO MANY here. Must bring so much pleasure. Sad pleasure as I see it. You've clearly not understood a thing I've posted in any of these threads. I've more than enough common sense, but know where it ends and you need some decent hard, repeatable evidence. Much of what you post and claim is flat out dangerous. Pointing this out is not to bring anyone down, but to highlight the lack of evidence and danger of these claims, made by someone who eventually fessed up to be a Big Vit Shill and has clearly made faaaaaar more money from that than I have from anything pharmaceutical (for avoidance of doubt I have not made a single penny from anything pharmaceutical). If you are brought down by folk not falling for your sales pitch and calling you out, that's for you to sort out for yourself. Personally I'd far rather you charlatans and frauds who endanger other people's lives would just shut up, but freedom of speech'n'all that...And so what you say will be questioned, freedom of speech'n'all that. If what you claim is so brilliant there must be loads of good evidence: where is it? You've not shown it yet. "Common sense" should tell anyone that someone who makes claims and persistently and consistently refuses to back them up is...What words am I allowed to use here?

18th February 2021, 11:41 AM	#182
Carrot Flower King Muse Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 736	Originally Posted by Caroline13 I don't have to look everything up, it's a preservative plain and simple...Anything hard to pronounce is probably not good to ingest, but foods are full of preservatives... Are you for real? You seriously do not know what was referred to? You wonder why I said I shouldn't take you seriously. That's why... Hint: it is nothing like a preserrvative and you are well screwed without it. And the "I don't like that word, 'cos it's too complicated!" is another mark on the Alt Med Bingo card...

18th February 2021, 12:05 PM	#183
Caroline13 Thinker Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 220	Originally Posted by Pixel42 I'm pretty sure there's no one contributing to this thread who doesn't believe in Vitamin C. What a bizarre thing to say. It's an essential vitamin, it's important to ensure your diet isn't deficient in it. It's just not a magic cure for everything that ails you. Where did the cures all come from? I don't know who said that? Good Grief.

18th February 2021, 12:08 PM	#184
Caroline13 Thinker Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 220	Hey Carrot Flower King...your username is very nice and health sounding, but sure doesn't fit you and the way you come across to me anyway.

18th February 2021, 12:13 PM	#185
Caroline13 Thinker Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 220	Originally Posted by kali1137 It's not about bringing others down or seeking in pleasure. It is trying to educate someone who is in dire need of it. I doubt that is likely in your case as you seem to not want to learn anything but keep spouting out the same tired misinformation. So what I see it as, is an attempt to not have people see that misinformation and believe it. Silly nonsense like Ouija boards and bigfoot cause no harm, but what you are spouting can literally get someone killed. The fact you truly don't care about that is what is most disturbing. I'm not looking to be educated here, I believe I have a very balanced life and have looked into and gone into many things in life. How many of you experts have done sunbathing on nude beaches? Talk about getting good dosing of Vit D. And stepping out of the comfort zone that MOST live in. And if I wanted to use a pendulum and muscle testing, what is the harm? And you people, omg

18th February 2021, 12:17 PM	#186
Caroline13 Thinker Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: So Calif. Posts: 220	And continue to live in your Scientific Box (closed box).

18th February 2021, 12:18 PM	#187
Carrot Flower King Muse Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 736	Has anyone else considered the possibility that "Caroline13" is a complete wind up: we've got pretty much the full Alt Med/Anti-Vax Bingo Card, all the alt-med and anti-vax tropes and more; doubling down on certain egregious errors; refusing to answer questions and all the rest. It's almost too good to be true. Are we being played here? PS Caroline, my user name is a song reference, but I couldn't use the full title. I had a long and, though I say so myself, pretty succesful career in healthcare. If I come across differently to you that is purely because of what you post: I'm very nice to sensible people, less so to those who persistently spout dangerous nonsense, just ask Carrot Flower Queen...

18th February 2021, 12:21 PM	#188
Carrot Flower King Muse Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 736	Originally Posted by Caroline13 And continue to live in your Scientific Box (closed box). And another irony meter goes... From the person who talks about open minds... Oh, while we are here: might you like to explain why taking any form of thyroid medication without regular blood tests is in any way recommendable, therapeutically effective or safe?

18th February 2021, 12:23 PM	#189
Pixel42 Schrödinger's cat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Malmesbury, UK Posts: 12,998	Originally Posted by Caroline13 Where did the cures all come from? I don't know who said that? Good Grief. It's an expression. I'm just saying that statements like this Originally Posted by Caroline13 Vit C and recently added Amla (goosberry) and I absolutely know these are a major factor in my life of good health, no colds, flu and other sickness for over 30 yrs and I'm 82, are not justified. Provided you eat sensibly, there is no evidence that taking Vitamin C supplements will significantly reduce your chances of getting sick. Assuming a connection between the two things is an example of the post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy.
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18th February 2021, 12:24 PM	#190
Pixel42 Schrödinger's cat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Malmesbury, UK Posts: 12,998	Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King Has anyone else considered the possibility that "Caroline13" is a complete wind up Yes.
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18th February 2021, 12:25 PM	#191
Finster Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,093	Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King Has anyone else considered the possibility that "Caroline13" is a complete wind up: w Yep
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18th February 2021, 12:35 PM	#192
kali1137 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Purgatory, PA Posts: 1,655	Originally Posted by Caroline13 I'm not looking to be educated here, I believe I have a very balanced life and have looked into and gone into many things in life. How many of you experts have done sunbathing on nude beaches? Talk about getting good dosing of Vit D. And stepping out of the comfort zone that MOST live in. And if I wanted to use a pendulum and muscle testing, what is the harm? And you people, omg And if you were just spouting pendulum and muscle testing you would likely be getting less reactions. But telling people to take vit c, don't get vaccines, don't go to doctors, don't wear masks - that ignorance puts lives at risk. You are clearly not here to learn anything, can't back up any of your claims and don't even try, so what is it you are looking for here? All you do is start a post with the same dangerous claims, refuse to back up the statements or show any proof, abandon that thread and start a new one with the same garbage - rinse and repeat.

18th February 2021, 12:36 PM	#193
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 27,708	Originally Posted by Caroline13 I'm not looking to be educated here, I believe I have a very balanced life and have looked into and gone into many things in life. How many of you experts have done sunbathing on nude beaches? Talk about getting good dosing of Vit D. And stepping out of the comfort zone that MOST live in. And if I wanted to use a pendulum and muscle testing, what is the harm? And you people, omg Nude sunbathing has some hazards in my climate, and like many others here, I do take vitamin D. One can acknowledge the importance of vitamins and other measures without indulging in anti-vaccine hokum. That last sentence indicates a problem I don't think you've worked out properly. There is, of course, no harm in using a pendulum and muscle testing, etc., but that is a far different thing from recommending a practice, or suggesting it has benefits which cannot be substantiated. You have not just recommended what you do, but criticized in insulting and uncivil terms those who do otherwise.
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18th February 2021, 01:22 PM	#194
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 21,294	Originally Posted by Caroline13 I'm not looking to be educated here, I believe I have a very balanced life and have looked into and gone into many things in life. How many of you experts have done sunbathing on nude beaches? Talk about getting good dosing of Vit D. And stepping out of the comfort zone that MOST live in. Well. it gave me skin cancer, should I ignore that? Originally Posted by Caroline13 And if I wanted to use a pendulum and muscle testing, what is the harm? And you people, omg And now we are into the madness of dowsing. I have no idea how many times that needs to be debunked. As for the "what's the harm" citation, people die because of this nonsense, children are murdered because of this nonsense. But that is OK with you for some reason.
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18th February 2021, 03:00 PM	#195
Blue Mountain Resident Skeptical Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Waging war on woo-woo in Winnipeg Posts: 6,454	Originally Posted by Caroline13 I'm not looking to be educated here, I believe I have a very balanced life and have looked into and gone into many things in life. How many of you experts have done sunbathing on nude beaches? Talk about getting good dosing of Vit D. And stepping out of the comfort zone that MOST live in. And if I wanted to use a pendulum and muscle testing, what is the harm? And you people, omg Originally Posted by Caroline13 I don't have to look everything up, it's a preservative plain and simple...Anything hard to pronounce is probably not good to ingest, but foods are full of preservatives... Originally Posted by Caroline13 And continue to live in your Scientific Box (closed box). Okay, here's the reveal: the abbreviation for deoxyribonucleic acid, which you claim is a "preservative, pure and simple," is DNA. It's the literal building block of all life on Earth. Every organic thing on the planet, from the simplest bacteria to all plants and animals to the largest animal on Earth, has DNA. It's impossible to exist without it. Assuming you're being sincere here and not merely trolling us, the highlighted shows your problem. You relied on your "common sense," refused to look something up, and made a laughable mistake. This pattern extends to many of your other pronouncements here, with the exception that many of your mistakes are not laughable, but serious enough to cause you harm. You're clearly trying to educate us, but have no interest in expanding your knowledge base beyond your own comfort zone. I'm amazed that you fell into such a simple trap. But given that you're unwilling to learn, or even to do a basic investigation such as looking up an unfamiliar term (instead, just making an assumption about it) shows why you fell into the trap. And why we're not taking very kindly to your posts. As skeptics we learn not to take things at face value. We look for evidence to support our claims, and if the evidence shows otherwise we adjust our claims. "When an honest person is shown to be mistaken, that person will wither cease being mistaken or cease being honest." For our point of view, you're sadly of the latter and not the former.
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