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Old 9th January 2019, 03:35 PM   #481
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Yeah, Obama Care sure did a great job of reducing health insurance costs.
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Old 9th January 2019, 04:11 PM   #482
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
If you did, then can you explain how increasing consumption is good for the economy?
Consumption is the sole point of having an economy. If everyone lives in holes scraped out with their hands and eat bugs you don't have a good economy no matter how much you invested.

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I don't see how it would e good for anyone except those fortunate enough to be selected for the job of consuming.
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I'll consume at least a new sports car and a case of beer every week.

If you can afford to do so, fill your boots. Just make sure you don't use them together.
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
There's also the being upset that more people having access to health care and stopping the discrimination against people with pre-existing conditions wasn't saving you enough money part of the complaint which is disturbingly selfish.
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Old 10th January 2019, 03:39 AM   #484
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It seems this thread has at least managed to shine a light on the apparent fact that right wingers don't actually understand basic economic concepts. Might explain why GOP economic policies are so terrible.
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Old 10th January 2019, 07:03 AM   #485
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
You're kidding right? Did you study economics in College Or maybe even in High School?

It is not a fallacy and it's part of Keynes economics. You can hand the rich money all day but they are unlikely to invest in businesses without customers. If we put money in the hands of consumers it turns and provides more opportunities for investment.

The biggest problem in US is the absurd top heavy distribution of income and wealth.

Hence my idea for economic decimation of the top earners.
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Old 10th January 2019, 09:25 AM   #486
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
It seems this thread has at least managed to shine a light on the apparent fact that right wingers don't actually understand basic economic concepts. Might explain why GOP economic policies are so terrible.
The numbers for understanding aren't great either way roughly half of Americans understand how marginal tax rates work. Far more Democrats understand than Republicans (63% vs 38%). It's no wonder tax policy is such a mess with these numbers.
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Old 10th January 2019, 09:28 AM   #487
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This is like when I was growing up watching my parents get divorced and every argument about the toilet seat being up or the milk not being put back in the refrigerator was just there so they could have a fight about literally every moment in their marriage that ever happened.

Isn't this thread supposed to be about a reaction that didn't exist to a video of somebody dancing?
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Old 10th January 2019, 09:48 AM   #488
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Isn't this thread supposed to be about a reaction that didn't exist to a video of somebody dancing?
You keep posting what you think the thread is about, and you've been wrong every time. If you want to know what the thread is "supposed to be about", why not try reading the OP?
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I mean sure in general that is going to be an issue. But I still don't understand how anyone thought this video would be embarrassing. It just blows my mind. I just don't get it, are there large segments of the population that think dancing is some taboo activity? Do we actually live in the world of Footloose? I mean I don't generally dance, but that is because I think I look like an idiot, not out of any moral imperative outside not subjecting others to seeing that.
You just don't get it. Women aren't allowed to have fun. They have to keep their purity. I'm sure there's some hint in there that after all that dancing and, presumably, drinking, there was a lot of unchristian, pre-marriage stuff going on.
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Old 10th January 2019, 10:20 AM   #490
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
...with a bachelor's degree in international relations and a minor in economics.

If she were a Republican I don't think you'd set the bar that low.
I have seen little about her academic ability, but she seems economically literate.


I wasn't being snarky when I said it shouldn't be difficult to work out here.

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And this really shouldn't be difficult to work out - as it's easy to see in the extreme case.

If a country has $1B to stimulate the economy, it could give a tax break to the ultra rich, giving the thousand richest people $1-million each. They'd hardly notice that. They'd probably invest much of it (quite possibly offshore) and might also spend it on luxuries that don't benefit the local economy - buying another yacht made in the Netherlands wouldn't stimulate the US economy except very indirectly, for example.

If the same country gave $1000 to the poorest million people, then that would have a huge effect and a far higher proportion of the money would be spent in the local area, and immediately recycled in the economy and ultimately ending back in government funds through sales and income taxes, for example.

Obviously this is a silly example, but the principle holds. The most cost-effective way of stimulating the economy is to give the money to the poorest, as they are more likely to spend the money and in the most deprived areas.



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Want to really get the economy moving? Increase CONSUMPTION. This leads to more investment in production opportunities that profit from that consumption.
I've never understood this idea. Isn't this just a version if the broken window fallacy?
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You're kidding right? Did you study economics in College Or maybe even in High School?

It is not a fallacy and it's part of Keynes economics. You can hand the rich money all day but they are unlikely to invest in businesses without customers. If we put money in the hands of consumers it turns and provides more opportunities for investment.

The biggest problem in US is the absurd top heavy distribution of income and wealth.
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If you did, then can you explain how increasing consumption is good for the economy? I don't see how it would e good for anyone except those fortunate enough to be selected for the job of consuming. As a matter of fact, if we need more consumption, I'll gladly volunteer. I'll consume at least a new sports car and a case of beer every week. I can probably find others if that doesn't boost the economy enough. Maybe we can put an ad on craigslist or something? Consumers wanted: all sorts of goods and services available!

Because a country isn't like a household. If you give £100 to someone poor, they'll spend it. Straight away, in my country about £20 goes back to the government in sales taxes. The person they give the money to, is also likely to spend it (if they are spending it locally) and if they spend it on goods in the local area another 20% of the remaining £80 goes back to the government within two transactions. That means that they've paid out £100, but already got back £36.

The money goes back to the government quicker if you give it to poor people. It stimulates the poorest parts of the economy, and potentially reduces the need for benefit payments. It also ends up with a faster turnover, and with less of it being siphoned off outside your own country.

All these concepts are very simple. If you don't get that, then you *really* shouldn't be criticising anyone's intellect if they do understand that.
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More made up quotes "from" AOC "Owning guns is not a right, if it were a right, it would be in the constitution".

No attribution, of course. No source, date, venue. No proof she ever said such a thing.

Accepted without question by her detractors, of course.
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Escheresque and Mobius strip politics. These are useful and apt descriptions.
You could try non-euclidian or cyclopean politics, too. Lovecraft adored that last one.

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It's like we've achieved Outrage Mutually Assured Destruction
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I know, right?

I can't name a single politician that the left is obsessed with right now.
To be fair, when one name does come up in your mind, the odds are that person made themselves the target of that obsession.

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If the right is obsessed with her it's because they can't believe a group of voters were stupid enough to elect her. It's a bit scary. All they have to do is quote her to make her look completely nuts.
Now you know how we feel.

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She's a socialist.
I'm sure you're completely against any sort of social program or government-funded organisation. Militias all the way, amirite?
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Old 10th January 2019, 10:29 AM   #493
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More smears:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez blasts The Daily Caller for fake "nude selfie"

Considering the accusation that it is the left that has an obsession with Ocasio-Cortez, it seems telling that those on the right are ones that keep generating fake stories about her.
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More smears:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez blasts The Daily Caller for fake "nude selfie"

Considering the accusation that it is the left that has an obsession with Ocasio-Cortez, it seems telling that those on the right are ones that keep generating fake stories about her.
It's getting weirder.

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Owen Shroyer, a host of the show “War Room” on Alex Jones’ Infowars network, asserted that media organizations that give positive coverage to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are “partly responsible for the death of Heather Heyer,” a counter-protester who was murdered by a neo-Nazi at the 2017 Unite the Right white supremacist gathering.

Right-wing media have been in the midst of a months-long tantrum over Ocasio-Cortez’s early political career, tossing out every conceivable smear in the right-wing playbook to seemingly no avail. Ocasio-Cortez’s dismantling of the attempted smears with seeming ease, paired with her unapologetically progressive message, has earned her positive media attention since her swearing-in to Congress.

And Shroyer isn’t happy about that.

“Sandy @AOC Cortez flares her nostrils and gets more media attention than a sitting Congressman @SteveScalise being shot by a radicalized left-wing terrorist,” Shroyer said, apparently forgetting the wall-to-wall coverage that Rep. Steve Scalise’s shooting received. “The same media that gives AOC all the positive attention is the reason why the shooter was radicalized.”

“If a deeper truth be told, the same media is partly responsible for the death of Heather Heyer. Drumming up the Trump hysteria which manufactured that scenario,” Shroyer wrote.
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More smears:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez blasts The Daily Caller for fake "nude selfie"

Considering the accusation that it is the left that has an obsession with Ocasio-Cortez, it seems telling that those on the right are ones that keep generating fake stories about her.
That... wasn't a nude.
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Graduating cum laude from Boston University in any discipline is certainly indicative of intelligence.

I'm not sure why you think International Relations and Economics are among the ones with a lower bar.
You're not looking at this from an anti-elitist perspective, that's why.

She's smart. Ugh.

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God I just love it when Shapiro gets owned. I can't stand that weasel-faced con man.

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This doesn't even make sense:
How so?

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Just think, if he'd been born a decade or two later, there'd be actual footage of David Cameron ******* a pig head.
Wow, I was thinking exactly that while reading the post above yours.
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Old 10th January 2019, 11:16 AM   #497
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That... wasn't a nude.
No - it wasn't. Yet the Daily Caller claimed it was described that way. Why would they claim that?
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Remember when Trump lied about how wealthy he was by falsely claiming his father's property as his own just so he could get on the Forbes 400 list? That is the kind of mentality you're talking about.
Man, that's petty. Trump never ceases to disappoint.

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Having reread the original post, I believe I misinterpreted it. I apologize to Varwoche for my earlier rash response.


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Monarchy is not legitimate.
Sorry, the other poster was using a sane definition of the word "legitimate".
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I've seen it said that you can see boobs reflected in the tap. I've not bothered zooming in to find out for myself because I'm not 12 years old.
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No - it wasn't. Yet the Daily Caller claimed it was described that way. Why would they claim that?
Technically it was described that way by some people, including by AOC herself. Nobody should have described it that way, and leading with (some people described as" that without noting it wasn't actually a nude is clickbaity trash.
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
It's not even that hard to work out...

Alexandria -> Xandra -> Sandra -> Sandy
I'm sorry, what's this Sandy business? Come to think of it, what's this Alexandria business?

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Perhaps, it's just me, but I read his comment more as a critique of Joe's oft uttered decrylation of tribalism - sort of a tribe that hates tribalism if you will.
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@Joe And funny enough, I just re-read my post and was reminded that it was addressed to you. This is a prime example of the things I've pointed out to you previously. Your tribe is the Middle Ground High Horse Tribe, infamous for vague, vacuous posturing.
Let's be careful, when discovering that things are not always black or white, that there isn't just one shade of gray, either.
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Technically it was described that way by some people,

Technically?!
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The money goes back to the government quicker if you give it to poor people. It stimulates the poorest parts of the economy, and potentially reduces the need for benefit payments. It also ends up with a faster turnover, and with less of it being siphoned off outside your own country.
Hell, an even easier way to get it going is to give in terms of food vouchers.

The government should give everyone making under $X a year restaurant coupons. The people get the benefit of being able to eat at restaurants, the restaurants get the benefit of more business, meaning they hire more people and buy more food from suppliers, which means there are more people in shipping getting it there and more people producing it.

Although the state loses out on some sales tax at point-of-purchase, there is income tax up the line.

My other idea: states give food stamps to be used only for locally owned businesses. People in Chicago can use them at Bobeck's (I think that is locally owned there) but not WalMart. The company must be headquartered in the state to accept the state food stamps.

Food vouchers are absolutely the best approach for government support of the economy. They make things happen.
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There is a reason that drugs in Canada and Europe are a fraction of what they are in the US.
And that's painfully evidence when you need to buy medecine for your pet, which is not similariy down-priced.

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If you did, then can you explain how increasing consumption is good for the economy? I don't see how it would e good for anyone except those fortunate enough to be selected for the job of consuming. As a matter of fact, if we need more consumption, I'll gladly volunteer. I'll consume at least a new sports car and a case of beer every week. I can probably find others if that doesn't boost the economy enough. Maybe we can put an ad on craigslist or something? Consumers wanted: all sorts of goods and services available!
I guess that's a no, then.

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Technically?!
The best kind of correct.
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Let's be careful, when discovering that things are not always black or white, that there isn't just one shade of gray, either.
Nope the two sides have graciously acknowledge the existence of a third side, which is exactly the wishy-washy median between the two sides. No more, no less.

There are now three sides; black, white, and grey. There is no light grey or dark grey.
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Nope the two sides have graciously acknowledge the existence of a third side, which is exactly the wishy-washy median between the two sides. No more, no less.

There are now three sides; black, white, and grey. There is no light grey or dark grey.
Meanwhile the Green Party and that sneaky devil William of Orange plot to seize power. Code Pink can't stop them, despite the Yellow Peril, so we'll fall to the Reds and wind up singing the blues.
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I'm sorry, what's this Sandy business? Come to think of it, what's this Alexandria business?
Isn't it called Istanbul these days?
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Isn't it called Istanbul these days?
Nobody's business but the Turks!
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Isn't it called Istanbul these days?
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Nobody's business but the Turks!
That's Constantinople. Alexandria is in Egypt, and hasn't changed its name.

They did lose a few books, though.
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Old 10th January 2019, 01:38 PM   #510
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
That's Constantinople. Alexandria is in Egypt, and hasn't changed its name.

They did lose a few books, though.
That's what you get when you play with matches flint.
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Old 10th January 2019, 02:36 PM   #511
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
That's Constantinople. Alexandria is in Egypt, and hasn't changed its name.

They did lose a few books, though.
I was recently listening a podcast, maybe the Skeptic Guide, suggesting that the whole library of alexandria story maybe so distorted as to basically be a myth. The Library wasn't all that big, by the time it burned down it had been deteriorating for decades, etc.
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I was recently listening a podcast, maybe the Skeptic Guide, suggesting that the whole library of alexandria story maybe so distorted as to basically be a myth. The Library wasn't all that big, by the time it burned down it had been deteriorating for decades, etc.

What story? The Library definitely existed.
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
What story? The Library definitely existed.
The Library existed, but the idea that a huge fire destroyed all the ancient knowledge is questionable.

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Despite the widespread modern belief that the Library was "burned" once and cataclysmically destroyed, the Library actually declined gradually over the course of several centuries, starting with the purging of intellectuals from Alexandria in 145 BC during the reign of Ptolemy VIII Physcon, which resulted in Aristarchus of Samothrace, the head librarian, resigning from his position and exiling himself to Cyprus. Many other scholars, including Dionysius Thrax and Apollodorus of Athens, fled to other cities, where they continued teaching and conducting scholarship. The Library, or part of its collection, was accidentally burned by Julius Caesar during his civil war in 48 BC, but it is unclear how much was actually destroyed and it seems to have either survived or been rebuilt shortly thereafter; the geographer Strabo mentions having visited the Mouseion in around 20 BC and the prodigious scholarly output of Didymus Chalcenterus in Alexandria from this period indicates that he had access to at least some of the Library's resources.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria
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Thanks. Weird. I wouldn't have guessed there were any widespread modern beliefs or knowledge about that library.
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If you want a real library disaster, look up the Mongol sack of Baghdad. The Tigris was reported to run black from the ink of the texts destroyed.
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez foot photo identified by foot fetishists as someone else | The Independent

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In one of the weirdest controversies yet surrounding the youngest ever United States Congresswoman, a photo circulating that claimed to be of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s toes and legs in a bathtub has been proven to be a case of mistaken identity.

The photo in question, which was originally shared on Reddit and 4Chan, shows a woman’s feet and legs in a bathtub.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8720191.html
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This is like when I was growing up watching my parents get divorced and every argument about the toilet seat being up or the milk not being put back in the refrigerator was just there so they could have a fight about literally every moment in their marriage that ever happened.

Isn't this thread supposed to be about a reaction that didn't exist to a video of somebody dancing?
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OMG. I hadn't seen Trump in his border...um...whatever that was. Certainly wasn't a speech. He sounded like a blabbering idiot. Wheels are older than walls? Maybe in his alternate reality but not in the real world.
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OMG. I hadn't seen Trump in his border...um...whatever that was. Certainly wasn't a speech. He sounded like a blabbering idiot. Wheels are older than walls? Maybe in his alternate reality but not in the real world.
I have it on good cartoon authority that the wheel was invented (as a comically heavy millstone type slab of rock with no discernible use) when people were all living in caves, wearing leopard skins.
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I have it on good cartoon authority that the wheel was invented (as a comically heavy millstone type slab of rock with no discernible use) when people were all living in caves, wearing leopard skins.
Right after cave wall painting porn.
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