ISF Logo   IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Reply
Old 10th January 2019, 02:10 PM   #2521
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane questions and lies from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Do we see jets coming from the nucleus? ...
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.

Complete insanity that we saw jets, negatively charged dust and an ambipolar electric field at the dwarf planet Ceres. Rosetta detected those at comet 67P.

We have detected a very thin atmosphere at Ceres that is explained by sublimating ices. That atmosphere should be partially ionized, thus a plasma with a ambipolar electric field.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 02:16 PM   #2522
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane lies about sceince from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
They are explaining the DC with the ambipolar electric field.
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.

Sol88 insanely has a quote where the diamagnetic cavity is not explained by the ambipolar electric field !
Quote:
As already touched upon, the picture gets further complicated outside the diamagnetic cavity, where the plasma distribution will be shaped also by the magnetic field and the solar wind motional electric field. We should also emphasize that our model is based on a stationary situation with an electric field profile that remains constant in time. Speculatively, the field profile may rather vary periodically. A decaying potential profile will tend to trap electrons with insufficient energy to overcome the potential barrier. Such electrons will subsequently cool further via collisions closer to the nucleus. Unless effectively removed via dissociative recombination (a process which is more efficient the slower the electrons are), the cold electron population grows and continues to do so up to a point where the resulting reduced electron temperature leads to a diminishing (or even reversal) of the ambipolar electric field that then can allow the cold electrons to escape outwards. This in turn leads back to an outward-pointing ambipolar electric field. Such a scenario would be qualitatively consistent with the time-varying cavity boundary observed on Rosetta (Goetz et al. 2016).
This is a quote about the environment outside of the DC.
This is a quote about the environment outside of the DC effect on the ambipolar electric field.
This is a quote about the environment outside of the DC effects on the ambipolar electric field being supported by changes in the boundary of the DC.

Last edited by Reality Check; 10th January 2019 at 02:18 PM.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 02:19 PM   #2523
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane questions and lies from So88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Tell me how the suprathermal electrons are leaving the double layer?
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.

Comets do not have double layers as explained to Sol88 many times
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 02:26 PM   #2524
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane comments, insults and lies from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Mmmmmm.....
...
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.

Sol88's quote of
Quote:
The ion-neutral decoupling distance, rin, when defined according to equation (6), is strongly dependent on the electric potential profile.
is nothing to do with Sol88's insane "They are explaining the DC with the ambipolar electric field" lie.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 02:26 PM   #2525
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,201
Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
The fact that both leave shows that either the dust is not charged, or is too large to be affected by such a trifling field. Therefore, as previously noted, it is obviously an irrelevance. You have provided zilch to explain why this field would have any relevance to the complete failure of your woo.
Mmmmm......ok.



Reality Check will have something to say about this, no doubt.


To many simplifying assumptions to be accurate.

THE ROLE OF ELECTRIC FIELDS IN THE COMETARY ENVIRONMENT

In particular the assumption in the above paper on the ion-neutral importance in calculating
Quote:
ion-neutral drag dominates.
But this latest paper goes on to state
Quote:
The presence of a non-negligible ambipolar electric field and limited importance of ion-neutral collisional coupling are further supported by observations in the diamagnetic cavity of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko by plasma instruments onboard Rosetta that reveal ion speeds several times higher than the neutral expansion velocity.
Onthe ion-neutral coupling in cometary comae


So I think you’ll find there maybe a little more to it.
__________________
"Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116]

"No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem]

Dust, if you are talking about mass. Vacuum if you are talking about volume.[Jonesdave116 7/12/18]
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 02:27 PM   #2526
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane lies about science from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Diamagnetic region(s): structure of the unmagnetized plasma around Comet 67P/CG ...
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 02:28 PM   #2527
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane question and insults from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
No, your understanding, collision or electric field stoping the charged particles from the solar wind?...
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 02:35 PM   #2528
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,146
Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Mmmmm......ok.



Reality Check will have something to say about this, no doubt.


To many simplifying assumptions to be accurate.

THE ROLE OF ELECTRIC FIELDS IN THE COMETARY ENVIRONMENT

In particular the assumption in the above paper on the ion-neutral importance in calculating

But this latest paper goes on to state Onthe ion-neutral coupling in cometary comae


So I think you’ll find there maybe a little more to it.
Yes, at a relatively low activity comet there appears to be a correlation with electron-neutral collisions, as well. Hey, we learned something! It does not appear to operate at a higher activity comet, such as Halley. All the ions in the DC were at the neutral velocity, and all the electrons were cold.
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 02:39 PM   #2529
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,146
Quote:
No, your understanding, collision or electric field stoping the charged particles from the solar wind?...
How the hell would an electric field stop the solar wind? Probably already asked. Total woo.
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 02:40 PM   #2530
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane comments and lies from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Yup, thought so....collision.
....
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.

Sol88's insane delusion that colliding gases will not have colliding particles !
This is modern textbook physics that has been around for centuries. Children can learn this. Gas is a bunch of colliding particles. Two clouds of gas are two bunches of colliding particles. Let the clouds collide and their once separate particles are now also colliding with each other!

The real world physics is more complicated and vastly beyond Sol88's ability to learn as shown over 12 years of an utterly ignorant obsession with his cult's electric comet insanity which he is insisting on making more and more insane with each post here.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 02:42 PM   #2531
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane lies about science from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
I linked to the latest paper that shows collisions to be unimportant..
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 02:43 PM   #2532
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane question from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
So you do know about the suprathermal electrons, don’t you?
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 02:51 PM   #2533
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual lies about the mainstream emphasizes Sol88's electric comet insanity.

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Again, Onthe ion-neutral coupling in cometary comae
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.

On the ion-neutral coupling in cometary comae is about ion-neutral coupling and agrees with previous models !

No one (except Sol88 and his cult) should be insane enough to ignore that fact that colliding plasma will have colliding particles.

No one (except Sol88 and his cult) should be insane enough to ignore that fact that colliding plasma containing ions and neutrals will have a different regimes such as a collisional regime where the ion-neutral coupling is not significant (think of direct hits) and a ion-neutral coupling regime where it is the coupling that is important (think of an ion passing close to a neutral atom).
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 02:53 PM   #2534
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane questions and lies from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Why are they able to escape the double layer? What gives the such high energies?
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 02:58 PM   #2535
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane comments and lies from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Good, I’m happy with the knowledge you know the DC is caused via ion/electron-neutral collisions and there may only possibly be an ambipolar electric field at at 67P but none at Halley.
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.

Sol88's delusion is that the DC is caused by whatever magical electric fields he thinks up.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 03:05 PM   #2536
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane comments from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Were you able to add to your list?
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.

This is the insanity of wanting the list of his insane plays to be made longer. But it is already clear to everyone here how insane his current posts are and probably his future posts will be equally insane. Once Sol88 descended to "utterly/completely/absolutely" insane content he cannot go any lower .
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 03:06 PM   #2537
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane questions and lies from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Give me your run down on the field aligned currents (Birkeland currents) in operation at 67P and how that to the above statements.
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 03:12 PM   #2538
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane lies and insults from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Tells me you are completely ignorant. ...
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.

Sol88's insanity here is his ignorant and blatant "asteroids have more h2o than comets" lie about
Rosetta Spacecraft's Comet Water Discovery: What It Means for Earth
Quote:
While asteroids are dry, rocky bodies now, it's possible that these space rocks were water-rich during the early days of the solar system. Altwegg thinks that asteroids may have bombarded the Earth about 800 million years after the formation of the solar system, bringing water to the early planet once it cooled after formation.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 03:17 PM   #2539
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane comments, lies and insults from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Keep going rc, your doing a fantastic job. I think you and jonesdave116 should have a little talk.
...
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.

jonesdave116 and I agree - Sol88 is writing completely stupid posts that have nothing to do with his electric comet insanity and have lies about the papers that Sol88 "cites" (a part of the insanity is not actually citing the papers).
That is what Sol88 quoted:
Originally Posted by Reality Check View Post
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults, lies.

Sol88 plays his "lies about science" card and makes it insane as usual.
We see ions in the coma moving outward from the nucleus as expected for ions in a turbulent plasma.
An insane "negatively charged dust coming off the nucleus in jets" lie. We detected beams of negatively charged nanograins in the coma going both inward and outward.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 03:22 PM   #2540
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane questions and lies from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
How do beams of negatively charged dust and water group ions both leave the ambipolar electric field?
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.

Sol88's insanity here is his usual insane lie of "negatively charged dust" (it is ice or dust grains) and an equally insane "leave the ambipolar electric field" lie ( the ambipolar electric field and observations are within the coma).
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 03:40 PM   #2541
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
The Haser model has been modified over the years. Essentially it a good model when observing comets from afar. It relies on the use of the lifetime of H2O before it is dissociated into OH and H. It uses a spherical distribution which, when taking measurements from afar, is perfectly valid, as the distances from the nucleus where measurements are made is sufficient for the coma to have evened out. The measurements at 67P were much closer to the nucleus, and various methods were used. The measured production rates all exceeded the estimates from the previous perihelion observations, suggesting that the Haser model was slightly underestimating the production rate. Not by much, though, showing that it is a valid model.
Good post, jonesdave116.

In case we get repeated stupidity from Sol88: The production rate from the Haser model is the production rate of daughter products from the parent found by plugging in the production rate of the parent Q. Q is not known and has to be measured.

A re-evaluation of the Haser model scale lengths for comets
"Q is the production rate of the parent" and is one of 3 unknowns in the model (the other 2 are parent and daughter reciprocal scale lengths).
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 03:46 PM   #2542
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane lies about science from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
To many simplifying assumptions to be accurate. ...
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.

The insanity here is over 12 years of Sol88's abysmal ignorance and massive delusions about science and comets means Sol88 has no idea what he is writing about.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 04:13 PM   #2543
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,201
Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
How the hell would an electric field stop the solar wind? Probably already asked. Total woo.
Deflection is the word you’re looking for, not stoping.

Is the solar wind being slowed at all? Like in the sublimation model of “mass loading”?
__________________
"Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116]

"No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem]

Dust, if you are talking about mass. Vacuum if you are talking about volume.[Jonesdave116 7/12/18]
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 05:24 PM   #2544
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual insane questions and lies from Sol88

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Is the solar wind being slowed at all? Like in the sublimation model of “mass loading”?
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 05:34 PM   #2545
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,201
Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Yes, at a relatively low activity comet there appears to be a correlation with electron-neutral collisions, as well. Hey, we learned something! It does not appear to operate at a higher activity comet, such as Halley. All the ions in the DC were at the neutral velocity, and all the electrons were cold.

Yay! We learned something


Ion-neutral collisions were once thought to be very important for the mass loading model but we’ve learned it’s now of
Quote:
limited importance of ion-neutral collisional coupling
and that the ambipolar electric field is
Quote:
non-negligible ambipolar electric field
Onthe ion-neutral coupling in cometary comae



Real science evolving their understanding.
__________________
"Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116]

"No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem]

Dust, if you are talking about mass. Vacuum if you are talking about volume.[Jonesdave116 7/12/18]

Last edited by Sol88; 10th January 2019 at 05:36 PM.
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 07:28 PM   #2546
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 23,801
Thumbs down Usual lies to derail from Sol88's electric comet insanity

Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
We learned something....
Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies.

Sol88 has not learned anything about physics or comets for at least 12 years.
What we (the other posters in this thread) have learned is some mainstream ices and dust comet physics:
Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Yes, at a relatively low activity comet there appears to be a correlation with electron-neutral collisions, as well. Hey, we learned something! It does not appear to operate at a higher activity comet, such as Halley. All the ions in the DC were at the neutral velocity, and all the electrons were cold.
Nothing to do with Sol88's electric comet insanity.

What we (the other posters in this thread) have known for at least months is that comet comae have ambipolar electric fields for the basic reason that space plasmas will have them.
What we (the other posters in this thread) have known for at least weeks is that a paper has the phrase "non-negligible ambipolar electric fields" and Sol88 is insanely obsessed with those words and his lie that it is part of the electric comet insanity.

Last edited by Reality Check; 10th January 2019 at 07:35 PM.
Reality Check is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th January 2019, 10:13 PM   #2547
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,201
Good news, reality check. Well done mate.

Glad we are over the whole charge separation and electric field shamozel.

Very happy to see your understanding evolve just like A’Hearn’s!



Could do me a favour and update your list?
__________________
"Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116]

"No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem]

Dust, if you are talking about mass. Vacuum if you are talking about volume.[Jonesdave116 7/12/18]
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th January 2019, 01:30 AM   #2548
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,146
Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Deflection is the word you’re looking for, not stoping.

Is the solar wind being slowed at all? Like in the sublimation model of “mass loading”?
Irrelevant. An electric field will not deflect the solar wind. Stop talking nonsense.
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th January 2019, 01:32 AM   #2549
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,146
Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Yay! We learned something


Ion-neutral collisions were once thought to be very important for the mass loading model but we’ve learned it’s now of and that the ambipolar electric field is

Onthe ion-neutral coupling in cometary comae



Real science evolving their understanding.
Mass loading is nothing to do with ion-neutral collisions. Stop talking nonsense.
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th January 2019, 01:33 AM   #2550
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,146
Quote:
Very happy to see your understanding evolve just like A’Hearn’s
Quit lying. Comets are dust and ice and organics, with a high porosity. And a density far less than water. Ergo, your model failed.
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th January 2019, 01:34 AM   #2551
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,201
Should investigate, jonesdave116?

I reckoning it would be acting the same as the double layers I’ve been predicting at comets since the start of this thread.

Let’s have a look at what electric fields and more specifically what double layers can do with charged particles.
__________________
"Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116]

"No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem]

Dust, if you are talking about mass. Vacuum if you are talking about volume.[Jonesdave116 7/12/18]
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th January 2019, 01:36 AM   #2552
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,146
Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Should investigate, jonesdave116?

I reckoning it would be acting the same as the double layers I’ve been predicting at comets since the start of this thread.

Let’s have a look at what electric fields and more specifically what double layers can do with charged particles.
Complete load of tosh. No DLs seen. No mechanism, no science, no evidence. And nobody gives a toss what an unqualified wooist reckons.
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th January 2019, 01:43 AM   #2553
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,201
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doub...plasma_physics)

Yep, just as I’ve been suspecting for quite a few years now.

Go learn some plasma physics and read the latest papers champ. Get back to me when you have a half an idea.

Collisions holding back the solar plasma. Good one
__________________
"Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116]

"No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem]

Dust, if you are talking about mass. Vacuum if you are talking about volume.[Jonesdave116 7/12/18]
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th January 2019, 01:46 AM   #2554
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,146
Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doub...plasma_physics)

Yep, just as I’ve been suspecting for quite a few years now.

Go learn some plasma physics and read the latest papers champ. Get back to me when you have a half an idea.

Collisions holding back the solar plasma. Good one
A complete irrelevance. No mechanisms, no science, no evidence. Your model totally failed. Why are you still here?
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th January 2019, 02:11 AM   #2555
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,201
Do you believe there is a NON negligible ambipolar electric field at comet 67P, jonesdave116?

Sounds like your a doubting Thomas still.
__________________
"Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116]

"No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem]

Dust, if you are talking about mass. Vacuum if you are talking about volume.[Jonesdave116 7/12/18]
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th January 2019, 02:28 AM   #2556
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,201
What’s happens to the charged particles meeting the electric field from the suns direction?
__________________
"Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116]

"No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem]

Dust, if you are talking about mass. Vacuum if you are talking about volume.[Jonesdave116 7/12/18]
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th January 2019, 02:30 AM   #2557
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,201
Are they slowed down and mass loaded or deflected?

Do you know jd116?
__________________
"Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116]

"No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem]

Dust, if you are talking about mass. Vacuum if you are talking about volume.[Jonesdave116 7/12/18]
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th January 2019, 04:08 AM   #2558
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,146
Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Do you believe there is a NON negligible ambipolar electric field at comet 67P, jonesdave116?

Sounds like your a doubting Thomas still.
It is a complete irrelevance. It has nothing to do with your failed woo. And wasn't seen at Halley.
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th January 2019, 04:09 AM   #2559
jonesdave116
Illuminator
 
jonesdave116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,146
Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Are they slowed down and mass loaded or deflected?

Do you know jd116?
Go read the bloody papers instead of asking irrelevant questions on here.
__________________
“There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher - the priest.” - Victor Hugo

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
jonesdave116 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th January 2019, 05:05 AM   #2560
Sol88
Illuminator
 
Sol88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,201
Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Go read the bloody papers instead of asking irrelevant questions on here.
It’s actually a rhetorical question. This was observed and measured.

Shall we dig out the papers and have a look?


More than happy to wheel out Decca’s paper, again?
__________________
"Goes without saying that nothing electrical happened." [Jonesdavid116]

"No, never electric discharges" [Tusenfem]

Dust, if you are talking about mass. Vacuum if you are talking about volume.[Jonesdave116 7/12/18]
Sol88 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Reply

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:43 PM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.