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Old 11th January 2019, 03:53 AM   #1241
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Originally Posted by erwinl View Post
Well,

According to Wikipedia, between 2014 and 2016 a total of 23613 Amercans got a permanent residency in Mexico. That amounts, on average, to 227 per week.
If there is some extra migration after 2016, it could very wel be some 300 americans leaving the USA per week.

So. Is Trump's wall a Chinese wall, to keep out foreigners, or is it an East German wall to keep in US citizens?
Shhhhhhhhh.... Don't **** my life up!!
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Old 11th January 2019, 04:24 AM   #1242
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Originally Posted by chrispy View Post
Shhhhhhhhh.... Don't **** my life up!!
I won't tell if you won't.
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Old 11th January 2019, 04:30 AM   #1243
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Mmm. No one could have seen this coming. Trump stiffed contractors for billions last year as well...and they're winning lawsuits

The end honestly sums up the important part of it, even if it's repeating the title.

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Anyway, the point is that Donald Trump promised to run the federal government the way he ran his businesses...and it appears that this is one promise that he's actually keeping: Stiffing contractors out of money they're contractually owed, forcing them to turn to costly litigation to get paid.
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Old 11th January 2019, 05:52 AM   #1244
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Is the wall up yet? Did Trump stiff the contractors? I had to sleep a few hours, could not keep up with the frenetic pace.
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Old 11th January 2019, 05:56 AM   #1245
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
You aren't posting pro-Trump falsehoods.
I don't see how that's relevant. Someone can be as interested as I am about Trump but come to a different conclusion. I don't see what's odd or wrong with that per se.
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Old 11th January 2019, 06:01 AM   #1246
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Hitler never won an election to my knowledge. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. He lost but Hindenburg who did win ceded power as Chancellor to Hitler and two years later Hitler declared himself Fuhrer or Emperor and that was that until he died in the bunker in 45.

They never had another election for the leader of Germany.
Well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_...deral_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novemb...ntary_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_G...and_referendum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_G...and_referendum

All rigged, of course.
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Old 11th January 2019, 06:05 AM   #1247
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
Lindsey Graham deserves distinction for his sycophancy. He's now the chair of the Judiciary Committee after his defense of Kavanaugh. He went from criticizing Trump over Syria to supporting him on it. And now he is calling for Trump to use emergency powers to overrule Congress.



Linky.
So Graham's Jar-Jar to Trump's Palpatine?
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Old 11th January 2019, 06:11 AM   #1248
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I often said during rallies, with little variation, that “Mexico will pay for the Wall.” We have just signed a great new Trade Deal with Mexico. It is Billions of Dollars a year better than the very bad NAFTA deal which it replaces. The difference pays for Wall many times over!

H1-B holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming which will bring both simplicity and certainty to your stay, including a potential path to citizenship. We want to encourage talented and highly skilled people to pursue career options in the U.S.
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Old 11th January 2019, 06:19 AM   #1249
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Am I the only one with the feeling that Trump has no idea how International Trade actually works?
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Old 11th January 2019, 06:21 AM   #1250
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

I often said during rallies, with little variation, that “Mexico will pay for the Wall.” We have just signed a great new Trade Deal with Mexico. It is Billions of Dollars a year better than the very bad NAFTA deal which it replaces. The difference pays for Wall many times over!

H1-B holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming which will bring both simplicity and certainty to your stay, including a potential path to citizenship. We want to encourage talented and highly skilled people to pursue career options in the U.S.
If anyone was curious, this is what was on his campaign website in 2016 for pay for the wall..

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It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:
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Old 11th January 2019, 06:23 AM   #1251
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

I often said during rallies, with little variation, that “Mexico will pay for the Wall.” We have just signed a great new Trade Deal with Mexico. It is Billions of Dollars a year better than the very bad NAFTA deal which it replaces. The difference pays for Wall many times over!
Ah, now i understand. The wall money from Congress is just a loan, and they'll get it back once the Mexican trade money starts coming in. Brilliant!
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Old 11th January 2019, 06:25 AM   #1252
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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We lose 300 Americans a week, 90% of which comes through the Southern Border. These numbers will be DRASTICALLY REDUCED if we have a Wall!
...what?

Is he trying to keep Americans in? I don't get it.
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Old 11th January 2019, 06:27 AM   #1253
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Thanks for the info. I had been doing it from memory. But my feeble mind could not recall all the details.
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Old 11th January 2019, 06:30 AM   #1254
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
They have made concessions. Trump refused them outright.

You keep ignoring the facts in order to maintain your opinion.
Trump ostensibly wants the government opened. Democrats would be happy to concede a bill opening the government and give him what he wants on that.
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Old 11th January 2019, 06:42 AM   #1255
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
Am I the only one with the feeling that Trump has no idea how International Trade actually works?
I'd be surprised to learn Trump knows how doorknobs work. Which is uncharitable of me as he may possess the understanding but be foiled by his tiny crinkled paws.
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Old 11th January 2019, 06:58 AM   #1256
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

I often said during rallies, with little variation, that “Mexico will pay for the Wall.” We have just signed a great new Trade Deal with Mexico. It is Billions of Dollars a year better than the very bad NAFTA deal which it replaces. The difference pays for Wall many times over!

H1-B holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming which will bring both simplicity and certainty to your stay, including a potential path to citizenship. We want to encourage talented and highly skilled people to pursue career options in the U.S.
Okay, this one's weird. The first seems like him, with the capitalized Billions, the unnecessary "very bad" and the general failure to math. The second seems like someone else. It's too grammatically correct and includes some well written ambiguity for racist interpretations: "everyone GTFO" would also add "simplicity and certainty" to their stay, and there's no indication that the "talented and highly skilled people" they want to have overlap with the people who are already here.

How much time was there between these twits?
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Old 11th January 2019, 07:01 AM   #1257
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Am I the only one with the feeling that Trump has no idea how International Trade actually works?

That has been abundantly clear from the way he constantly talks about China paying the tariffs he imposed.
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Old 11th January 2019, 07:04 AM   #1258
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How much time was there between these twits?
35 minutes
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Old 11th January 2019, 07:08 AM   #1259
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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy View Post
Okay, this one's weird. The first seems like him, with the capitalized Billions, the unnecessary "very bad" and the general failure to math. The second seems like someone else. It's too grammatically correct and includes some well written ambiguity for racist interpretations: "everyone GTFO" would also add "simplicity and certainty" to their stay, and there's no indication that the "talented and highly skilled people" they want to have overlap with the people who are already here.
(bolding mine)

Hypothesis: Stephen Miller wrote it.
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Old 11th January 2019, 07:08 AM   #1260
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
35 minutes
Then I'm leaning toward A being Trump and B being Miller.

[ETA] Jinx!
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Old 11th January 2019, 07:49 AM   #1261
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
I'm having trouble parsing this bit
I'm guessing that he's saying 300 murders per week are due to illegal immigrants.

The first figures I found said that somewhat under 16,000 murders occurred in 2014. Assuming that not much has changed, that's about 300 murders per week. So, I suppose that more or less all murders are caused by illegal immigrants.

Given this fact, I guess I must change my mind. Build the wall!

ETA: As others have suggested, perhaps he was talking about heroin.

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Old 11th January 2019, 07:59 AM   #1262
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1. Over 90% of all Mexican cartel drugs that come in across the US-Mexican border do so through the legitimate ports of entry on the border, smuggled in in trucks and vehicles. A wall is not going to make any difference to this.
Are you sure about the statistic? According to this 2017 DHS slide deck, in 2016, it was 78% coming through ports of entry. Obviously, that's a large majority.

There is an additional concern, I suppose. We're measuring seizures. If going over the border away from a port of entry is genuinely effective, then a smaller percentage will be seized there than at the ports, so our metric would be misleading.

None of this is to say I support the wall, of course. I don't believe it's an effective way to control drug smuggling or, really, any of the other aims Trump has (aside from motivating his base, for which it seems quite effective).
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Old 11th January 2019, 08:02 AM   #1263
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Just an aside -- Saw Ted Cruz at The PDJT's border visit yesterday.
I have to say the beard suits him well. Looks great!
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Rudy Giuliani says President Trump’s legal team should be allowed to “correct” special counsel Robert Mueller’s final report before Congress or the American people get the chance to read it.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-final-mueller

Seems legit...
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Rudy Giuliani says President Trump’s legal team should be allowed to “correct” special counsel Robert Mueller’s final report before Congress or the American people get the chance to read it.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-final-mueller

Seems legit...
Of course. Just like they should be allowed to correct jury verdicts, economic facts, poll results, election counts...
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Nice try but that's an old and idiotic debating tactic of woo-slingers and reactionaries. We're discussing YOUR foolish ideas.

If you want to discuss my foolish ideas, have at 'em.

Yeah, I have a solution. Trump gives in. And he will. This is all about re-election. As he begins to take honest note of ACTUAL (not pretend) polls and sees the minus number climbing (12% more on the RCP Average in the "Don't Approve" category and 12.8% more on fivethirtyeight) and even Rasmussen showing his die-hard supporters no longer supporting him.... He now has to weigh the yuge campaign value of having delivered on his Wall, versus the ridicule value of continuing this fight and losing later and not having a wall to pose in front of in 2020.
Ah, foolish ideas indeed.
“As he begins to take honest note of ACTUAL polls.”
I am alaways amazed when other posters write about President DJT understanding and accepting facts before weighing them carefully to rationally decide on a course of action. As if everything he has been doing since elected is merely an act - a sham which he will drop once he understands the seriousness of the situation.

He has created a world where he is not exposed to unpleasant facts. And when those facts do make it into the Oval Office, he confidently ignores them.

I am not a doctor and I have never met the president so I cannot say that he most assuredly has a mental illness. But I will say he is doing an uncannily accurate impersonation of someone suffering from Narcissic Persinality Disorder. The man needs help, not actual poll numbers.
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Old 11th January 2019, 09:15 AM   #1267
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Are you sure about the statistic? According to this 2017 DHS slide deck, in 2016, it was 78% coming through ports of entry. Obviously, that's a large majority.

There is an additional concern, I suppose. We're measuring seizures. If going over the border away from a port of entry is genuinely effective, then a smaller percentage will be seized there than at the ports, so our metric would be misleading.

None of this is to say I support the wall, of course. I don't believe it's an effective way to control drug smuggling or, really, any of the other aims Trump has (aside from motivating his base, for which it seems quite effective).
From that slide... wow.

 Common between the ports smuggling methods
– Backpackers (Main method)
– Air cannons, trebuchets & catapults (100-300 meters)
– Tunnel (basic to complex)
– Ultralights & UAVs
– Ramps


Trebuchets!!! Seriously, wow.
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Old 11th January 2019, 09:22 AM   #1268
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the way to control drug trafficking is to control demand, as countless examples have shown.
Americans addicted to painkillers would love nothing more than a program that provides care and substitutes that will allow them to continue their life.
But the Trump administration is going hardcore in the opposite direction.
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Just an aside -- Saw Ted Cruz at The PDJT's border visit yesterday.
I have to say the beard suits him well. Looks great!
Anything that serves to hide that face will look good.
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Of course. Just like they should be allowed to correct jury verdicts, economic facts, poll results, election counts...
....inauguration attendance...
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There's speculation that Trump's harping on the border wall and the shutdown could cost him in 2020. He keep trying to please his base and the radical fringes that he's turning off moderates and swing voters.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-votes/579952/
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There's speculation that Trump's harping on the border wall and the shutdown could cost him in 2020. He keep trying to please his base and the radical fringes that he's turning off moderates and swing voters.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-votes/579952/
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Are you sure about the statistic? According to this 2017 DHS slide deck, in 2016, it was 78% coming through ports of entry. Obviously, that's a large majority.
smartcooky did refer to cartel drugs. I expect what's moved across country comes from smaller players.
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What does "non-political" even mean these days, indeed what did it mean ever?

"Politics" is not some walled up separate pocket universe that doesn't affect the rest of... everything.
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Trump won't get the Wall build via a National Emergency, since the Pentagon won't let him divert billions and billions away from Defense to his sandcastle - and it will put pressure on the Senate to stop him if he tries.
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smartcooky did refer to cartel drugs. I expect what's moved across country comes from smaller players.
Maybe so. I don't know how to verify that.

But, in any case, we're talking about an overstatement that isn't all that essential to his primary point. I was just surprised by the figure he claimed.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
"Politics" is not some walled up separate pocket universe that doesn't affect the rest of... everything.
These days, it seems to me like politics are the continuation of war by other means.

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Maybe so. I don't know how to verify that.
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Old 11th January 2019, 10:31 AM   #1278
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
These days, it seems to me like politics are the continuation of war by other means.
It has usually been thus.

Why do you think there are two red lines in the House of Commons?

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Members may speak only from where they were called, which must be within the House. They may not speak from the floor of the House between the red lines (traditional supposed to be two sword-lengths apart). Also, the Speaker will not call a Member in the gallery if there is room downstairs. Members must stand whilst speaking but if they are unable to do so they are allowed to address the House seated.
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link is 2015 data (2013 Data below):
UK 8.5% of GDP of which 83.3% is public expenditure - 7.1% of GDP is public spending
US 16.4% of GDP of which 48.2% is public expenditure - 7.9% of GDP is public spending
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Old 11th January 2019, 10:37 AM   #1279
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
What does "non-political" even mean these days, indeed what did it mean ever?

"Politics" is not some walled up separate pocket universe that doesn't affect the rest of... everything.
Earlier I wrote that there does not exist a national emergency that is non political....even 9/11 or a hurricane. Do you extend that far or is there a limit?
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