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Old 4th January 2019, 11:01 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum View Post
I agree with your underlying premise: This was just some rando on twitter, and thus not really a big deal regarding the GOP at large. However, I think you're badly mischaracterizing the response. On my lefty twitter feed, it's not outrage; it's pointing and laughing. There's a heavy amount of sarcasm, but it's all in service of making light of the clown's antics.

Now, if I may be so bold as to make a prediction: I get the funny feeling that some slightly-prominent right-leaning person (author, pundit, elected official, etc.) will end up actually latching on to the "embarrassing video" and treat it as a very real indictment of Ocasio-Cortez's character.
I sat and read the new Twitter-thread from her latest dance-video. It was a cavalcade of positivism with a few instances of heavily triggered Trumpists.
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Old 4th January 2019, 11:03 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
It's essentially a by proxy version of this:

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/bad_opinions.png

Just with an entire subculture dedicated to finding the "bad opinions" and spoon feeding them to Outrage Addicts so they don't even have to put the effort into finding them themselves.

There is no story here. There is no non-forced or manufactured outrage. Nobody gives a **** about AOC dancing in college. Not the President, not one of her fellow members of Congress, not one Republican State Senator or City Councilman or 3rd Assistant Roadkill Scrapper from Dishrag, West Virginia has said word one about this.


One completely random and anonymous person online found an old video of a newly elected politicians and shared it with a negative caption. That's literally all that has happened. It's one step above a goddamn LOLCat Photo.

But the human centipede took over to make outrage out of nothing and are now using that outrage they made out of nothing to justify why they are outraged. It's like we've achieved Outrage Mutually Assured Destruction where both sides not Outrage First Strike capability.

And now that it's been boot strapped up into being "a thing" from nothing the members of the tribes will get involved and work themselves into real outrage over the fake outrage and that will be used to justify it. "I had to get outraged before the other side got outraged so my outrage would be justified by the outrage they haven't shown yet and oh God I've gone crosseyed."
Dude, you don't remember Gulag Barbie?

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Dems are finding the stupidest people in the country and pushing them out front. Don't be surprised if this doesn't turn out well. One of these days Gulag Barbie may have to debate someone with a calculator.

It IS a little obsessive. She also shows up from time to time in the random musings of Qanon.
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Old 4th January 2019, 11:07 AM   #83
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I sat and read the new Twitter-thread from her latest dance-video. It was a cavalcade of positivism with a few instances of heavily triggered Trumpists.
A very specific type of Trumpist:

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Old 4th January 2019, 11:11 AM   #84
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
A very specific type of Trumpist:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ictureid=11996
Is that comment actually saying working during the day at 19 is better than attending a university?
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Old 4th January 2019, 11:14 AM   #85
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A very specific type of Trumpist:

Reminds me of one of my old bosses. He would complain whenever he saw an African-American who was home during the day, ranting about them being on Welfare or else they'd be at work. If I suggested something such as a night job, he would berate me for defending "them".

ETA: He also had a picture of Hitler on the bulletin board in his office until his boss made him take it down.

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Old 4th January 2019, 11:45 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
A very specific type of Trumpist:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ictureid=11996
Whenever I see stuff like this, I'm always a touch curious whether it is a joke account. Nope.
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No, really, that's gone viral because someone used it to try to humiliate her. It...hasn't worked.
Ughhh! Thats disgusting. Young people having fun!!!

How dare they!?
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Old 4th January 2019, 12:18 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
Considering that the vast majority of them have cramped bicep muscles from holding up pictures with one hand... of the First Lady....
Hmmm, they're holding it up with only one hand?
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(The obsession of the right with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is beyond sick.)
I know, right?

I can't name a single politician that the left is obsessed with right now.
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Old 4th January 2019, 12:29 PM   #90
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
I don't have an opinion on that, and even if I did I can't imagine why anyone would care. Please take note, in no way, shape or form am I asking you for a clarification, a rebuttal, further questions about AOC having seen The Breakfast Club, or even a response in any form whatsoever. Quite the opposite.

However I'm always glad to discuss things that are pertinent ... to something.

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Old 4th January 2019, 12:33 PM   #91
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Which of her ideas do you think are dumb?

He doesn't have an opinion on that
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I know, right?

I can't name a single politician that the left is obsessed with right now.
Yeah! Because a freshman House representative is the equivalent of the President of the United States! Crazy, innit?
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I really do hate the internet for the lack of privacy. As someone mentioned earlier, it’s unfortunate that this will become the new normal in politics. I only hope that it becomes so normal that people just dismiss it out of hand.

I may not agree with her policies, but this is just stupid and she’s not even my representative, so why should I care?
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Because President Trump was not and is not a viable candidate for that office. It is not an issue of voting for Republican, or conservative principles. The issue is voting for Hector Commacho Mountain Dew whatever his name was.
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Then we'll all get over it except a few old curmudgeons shaking their canes at the internet.
Maybe it's the cynical IT Support tech in me but I don't see the curmudgeons going away.

Like I think it's 1,000,000 percent unreasonable now that we have so many people in leadership roles who are either proudly ignorant or openly fear-mongering when it comes to tech.

It's 2019. Even if you're in your 50s or 60s "them thar computer thingies" and "the interwebzs the kids are all on about" shouldn't be these mystical objects you are afraid and/or intentionally ignorant of.

So part of me just think it's an affect, a character they are playing. It will be a thousand years from now, we'll have cities on Mars, thinking AI, robot butlers, transporters and warp drive and food replicators where we're all jacked into some post-Singularity Matrix and somehow despite all that Congress will still find a way to be full of old white men who think computers are this passing fad they don't have to bother learning about.
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Old 4th January 2019, 01:21 PM   #96
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I really do hate the internet for the lack of privacy. As someone mentioned earlier, it’s unfortunate that this will become the new normal in politics. I only hope that it becomes so normal that people just dismiss it out of hand.

I may not agree with her policies, but this is just stupid and she’s not even my representative, so why should I care?
She's not really on my radar but it's interesting to see how 'the other side' views things. STS60 first posted about this in the Qanon Conspiracies thread* yesterday and up thread I have linked to a post of her being referred to as Gulag Barbie back in August so so it appears that the AOC boogey woman meme has been percolating for awhile now. It's a bit like seeing the comments to the Skirpal poisoning story and noticing that all the negative comments look the same. And, of course, this whole AOC thing might be the Russkie plot. So there's that.



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Yes... a high school video. You know all those high schools that have "University" in their names.
There is a University High School in West Los Angeles (it's near UCLA), but in this video they have the Boston University mascot dancing around with the kids. Kind of a tip off.
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Lock her up!

(The obsession of the right with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is beyond sick.)
The fact that people voted for her is beyond sick.

I think most of the negativity toward her is due to the stupid things she says, not her dancing on rooftops. Most of what I see reported on her is along the lines of, "Look what stupid thing she said this week!"

She's a loon. She's an economics major from where? You've gotta be kidding. About time this dummy got her own thread.

If the right is obsessed with her it's because they can't believe a group of voters were stupid enough to elect her. It's a bit scary. All they have to do is quote her to make her look completely nuts.

She's a socialist. That's enough to earn oneself some smearing in the press. But she's not just a socialist. She is, or comes across as being, completely stupid. It's almost beyond belief that anyone would vote for her.

I don't care if she dances on rooftops, sounds fine to me. I just think she's a total idiot based on pretty much everything she says.

What policies of hers do people here think are intelligent and workable? I'd really love to read about it.
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So that I am clear.

An anonymous twitter account posted a video of a young AOC dancing with a caption implying this was outrageous.
A lot of other people of similar notoriety attacked the post as outrageous/silly.
This is evidence that the right and the GOP are obsessed with AOC and insane for thinking this would be outrageous?
The specific account in question was dedicated primarily to promoting "Qanon" material. Qanon is a conspiracy theory that demonizes Democrats and Democratic leaders, and specifically lionizes Donald Trump. The subculture of supporters of Qanon is exclusively right-wing and Trump-devoted.
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Is that comment actually saying working during the day at 19 is better than attending a university?
Well...yeah! If she goes to college they'll just turn her into an atheist, commie pinko liberal lesbian climate-change b'leever snowflake, who'll need her safe space so she can indulge her craving for Tide Pods and hobby of having abortions!

ETA: I get the vibe that AOC is bad because Fox News says shes bad, dammit!
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The specific account in question was dedicated primarily to promoting "Qanon" material. Qanon is a conspiracy theory that demonizes Democrats and Democratic leaders, and specifically lionizes Donald Trump. The subculture of supporters of Qanon is exclusively right-wing and Trump-devoted.
See post above.
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Jesus Goddamn Christ.

One anonymous Twitter user, who's name was literally AnonymousQ1776, is the only person actually quoted in CNN's article as actually having a problem with it.

"Anonymous online people" are not a valid reference point.

Stop gang banging the Outrage Dog Whistle.
Well, didn't your side (plus the professionals from Russia) basically invent this technique? Like "anonymous online people" wouldn't be the very foundation of conservative social media outrage machine...
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Well, didn't your side (plus the professionals from Russia) basically invent this technique? Like "anonymous online people" wouldn't be the very foundation of conservative social media outrage machine...
Oh good I have "a side" again.
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The fact that people voted for her is beyond sick.

I think most of the negativity toward her is due to the stupid things she says, not her dancing on rooftops. Most of what I see reported on her is along the lines of, "Look what stupid thing she said this week!"

She's a loon. She's an economics major from where? You've gotta be kidding. About time this dummy got her own thread.

If the right is obsessed with her it's because they can't believe a group of voters were stupid enough to elect her. It's a bit scary. All they have to do is quote her to make her look completely nuts.

She's a socialist. That's enough to earn oneself some smearing in the press. But she's not just a socialist. She is, or comes across as being, completely stupid. It's almost beyond belief that anyone would vote for her.

I don't care if she dances on rooftops, sounds fine to me. I just think she's a total idiot based on pretty much everything she says.

What policies of hers do people here think are intelligent and workable? I'd really love to read about it.
Change just a few specific details and you could be writing about Trump.
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
The fact that people voted for her is beyond sick.
"Yeah, stupid people not voting the way *I* want them to!"

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I think most of the negativity toward her is due to the stupid things she says, not her dancing on rooftops. Most of what I see reported on her is along the lines of, "Look what stupid thing she said this week!"
Attacks on her have come from not just the things she has said: they have been hysterical attacks on her clothing, her housing, her previous jobs, everything about her has been put under the right-wing's sleaze microscope.

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She's a loon. She's an economics major from where? You've gotta be kidding. About time this dummy got her own thread.
It will not end they way you think.

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If the right is obsessed with her it's because they can't believe a group of voters were stupid enough to elect her. It's a bit scary. All they have to do is quote her to make her look completely nuts.
Elected what? A progressive? A single active progressive with socialist leanings (as opposed to the right's attacks on anything slightly to the left of them as 'socialist').

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She's a socialist. That's enough to earn oneself some smearing in the press. But she's not just a socialist. She is, or comes across as being, completely stupid. It's almost beyond belief that anyone would vote for her.
Or maybe folks were sick of the constant drip feed variations of trickle-down economics that even centrist Democrats were doling out.

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I don't care if she dances on rooftops, sounds fine to me. I just think she's a total idiot based on pretty much everything she says.

What policies of hers do people here think are intelligent and workable? I'd really love to read about it.
The biggest would probably be Universal Health Care, but hey, I think the CATO institute may have beaten her to it.

She's also floated the idea of taxing the rich. Big deal.

She's a single Socialist in a congress that has open racists and abominations like the Freedom Caucus, the reaction to her from the party that has supported (or at least not disavowed) pedophiles and Nazis running for office amuses some of us.
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I think most of the negativity toward her is due to the stupid things she says, not her dancing on rooftops. Most of what I see reported on her is along the lines of, "Look what stupid thing she said this week!"

Often followed by a Snopes article saying "No, she didn't actually say that." In one case, a quote attributed to her actually came from Trump.
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I really do hate the internet for the lack of privacy. As someone mentioned earlier, it’s unfortunate that this will become the new normal in politics. I only hope that it becomes so normal that people just dismiss it out of hand.

I may not agree with her policies, but this is just stupid and she’s not even my representative, so why should I care?
I mean yeah... but this video has every appearance of a promo/recruitment video type thing. Its not like she got drunk at a party, danced like an idiot, and someone filmed her*. There was no invasion of privacy.

*even had that been what had happened, who cares, everyone drinks in college
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Originally Posted by lobosrul5 View Post
I mean yeah... but this video has every appearance of a promo/recruitment video type thing. Its not like she got drunk at a party, danced like an idiot, and someone filmed her*. There was no invasion of privacy.

*even had that been what had happened, who cares, everyone drinks in college
It looks like it might be for a film class so she is technically "working" and not goofing off.
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She's a loon. She's an economics major from where? You've gotta be kidding. About time this dummy got her own thread.
Might want to get your facts straight in the paragraph you're calling someone a loon.
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Often followed by a Snopes article saying "No, she didn't actually say that." In one case, a quote attributed to her actually came from Trump.
^Exactly!

The Republican approach for the past decade has been to smear their most effective opponents by generating in the populace a subjective "feeling," a subconscious impression about the person. By no means does this require actual verified facts: it only needs innuendo, completely made-up lies from social media and "satire" sites, pre-existing racial or religious, prejudice, urban legends, etc.

That's the way Obama "became" a Kenyan Muslim Terrorist in the minds of so many USA voters: given his race and name it was determined by Republican and other rightwing strategists that Obama would be most vulnerable to, most easily assigned, this particular fake tag. They then subtly helped that concept to spread and embed in the public consciousness (unconsciousness) through social media contacts, through their allied mainstream media, and by creating talking points for politicians and other pundits. Sometimes it was blatant (outright claims of forged birth certificates, etc.) and sometime more subtle (Republican leaders saying things along the lines of "I don't know anything for certain, I guess we will have to see...").

Ocasio-Cortez has been "assigned" dumb by the same Republican political machinery. It is telling to me that that are beginning these attacks already: she must scare the crap out of them!

Added in edit: again the goal of the Republican strategists is to generate a overall "feel" or impression within their followers without the need for specific facts. When the name Ocasio-Cortez comes up they want their followers to reflexively think "dumb, idiot, loon, stupid, nuts, I can't believe anyone would vote for her," etc. without the person having to think-up any specific facts that actually document such beliefs. The facts, if anyone bothers to track them down, usually are made up, mis-quotes, lies, or even Trump quotes.

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The Republican approach for the past decade has been to smear their most effective opponents by generating in the populace a subjective "feeling," a subconscious impression about the person. By no means does this require actual verified facts: it only needs innuendo, completely made-up lies from social media and "satire" sites, pre-existing racial or religious, prejudice, urban legends, etc.

That's the way Obama "became" a Kenyan Muslim Terrorist in the minds of so many USA voters: given his race and name it was determined by Republican and other rightwing strategists that Obama would be most vulnerable to, most easily assigned, this particular fake tag. They then subtly helped that concept to spread and embed in the public consciousness (unconsciousness) through social media contacts, through their allied mainstream media, and by creating talking points for politicians and other pundits. Sometimes it was blatant (outright claims of forged birth certificates, etc.) and sometime more subtle (Republican leaders saying things along the lines of "I don't know anything for certain, I guess we will have to see...").

Ocasio-Cortez has been "assigned" dumb by the same Republican political machinery. It is telling to me that that are beginning these attacks already: she must scare the crap out of them!

Added in edit: again the goal of the Republican strategists is to generate a overall "feel" or impression within their followers without the need for specific facts. When the name Ocasio-Cortez comes up they want their followers to reflexively think "dumb, idiot, loon, stupid, nuts, I can't believe anyone would vote for her," etc. without the person having to think-up any specific facts that actually document such beliefs. The facts, if anyone bothers to track them down, usually are made up, mis-quotes, lies, or even Trump quotes.
And the Democrats don't do the same thing??
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
And the Democrats don't do the same thing??
I have the subconscious impression that they are not smart enough to do it as insidiously, repeatedly, nastily, recklessly, or ceaselessly as do the Republicans.

Looking up thread I wonder if today is "And the Democrats don't do the same thing??" day. Frankly I don't think they do it much at all. But if and when they have done it, they would have been wrong to do so. But surely this has been pointed out before: a wrong is a wrong.
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The fact that people voted for her is beyond sick.

If the right is obsessed with her it's because they can't believe a group of voters were stupid enough to elect her. It's a bit scary.
And yet you're OK with the white nationalist, redneck Stupidati who voted for the steaming pile of excrement that currently sits behind the Resolute Desk at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave?

Ever heard of double standards?

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I think most of the negativity toward her is due to the stupid things she says, not her dancing on rooftops. Most of what I see reported on her is along the lines of, "Look what stupid thing she said this week!"

All they have to do is quote her to make her look completely nuts

She's a socialist. That's enough to earn oneself some smearing in the press. But she's not just a socialist. She is, or comes across as being, completely stupid. It's almost beyond belief that anyone would vote for her.

I don't care if she dances on rooftops, sounds fine to me. I just think she's a total idiot based on pretty much everything she says.
What, you mean like...
"....every child, no matter where you are born, should have access to a college or trade-school education if they so choose it, and I think no person should be homeless if we can have public structures and public policy to allow for people to have homes and food and lead a dignified life in the United States."

or

"The only time we create any kind of substantive change is when we reach out to a disaffected electorate and inspire and motivate them to vote."

or

"I believe that every American should have stable, dignified housing, health care, education - that the most very basic needs to sustain modern life should be guaranteed in a moral society."

or

"Mentors of mine were under a big pressure to minimize their femininity to make it. I am not going to do that. That takes away my power. I am not going to compromise who I am."
I do not find anything stupid or unreasonable in these. Sure, she is young and idealistic (a good thing IMO); she hasn't yet been worn down by the old racist and misogynistic white politicians.

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What policies of hers do people here think are intelligent and workable? I'd really love to read about it.
Universal Healthcare
Gun control
Climate change and switching to renewable energy sources
Stop using fossil fuels
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The fact that people voted for her is beyond sick ... I think most of the negativity toward her is due to the stupid things she says
Those are strong words. How about you cite the specific things OAC said to justify this condemnation?

I'm not familiar with her positions beyond the headlines. I would hope you have something a lot juicier than her supporting universal health care.
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
I have the subconscious impression that they are not smart enough to do it as insidiously, repeatedly, nastily, recklessly, or ceaselessly as do the Republicans.
I'd say they do it more insidiously, repeatedly, nastily, recklessly, and ceaselessly. Maybe my opinion is skewed because I live in the belly of the beast in the SF Bay Area.

Speaking of which, I witnessed a great example of this very thing unfolding in my local politics. Back when Gavin Newsom was running for Mayor of San Francisco, he was running against a candidate that was to his left politically named Matt Gonzales. The left in SF ensured everyone that Newsom was, of course, one step away from Hitler in his racist agenda. Then fast forward until 2018 where Newsom runs against a political opponent to his right and, of course, now that guy is literally Hitler and Newsom is a voice of repressed minorities everywhere.
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Those are strong words. How about you cite the specific things OAC said to justify this condemnation?

I'm not familiar with her positions beyond the headlines. I would hope you have something a lot juicier than her supporting universal health care.
I second the request. I'm not that familiar with Ocasio-Cortez, let alone obsessed with her (like most of you are with Trump).
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And the Democrats don't do the same thing??
No, they don't make up bs stories. They point out the actual evil things done by the members of the GOP and some of their supporters.
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Personally, I think her case the stupidity, more accurately described as naive idealism is really in the details. Most of those proposal are actually quite unworkable.

Its nice to say that every American should have stable, dignified housing, health care, education.....unfortunately taken as a whole and considering the few specific proposals she's mentioned, they are pretty much just idealistic platitudes.

Same with renewable energy, I agree with her goal, I expect I'd find the details absurd and rather authoritarian for my tastes.

She has said something to the effect wanting to start a new green deal to create a new smart grid and massive conversion to renewables within 10 years. Hard to imagine how that could be down feasible but again, kind of depends on what she actually means.

Tuition free higher education would mostly be a wealth transfer to the wealthy and upper middle class. Sounds good when you ignore the details but I've never seen a plan that would be exactly what I said with little real benefit to society as a whole. The student debt crisis is pretty much BS too. Driven by a few folks that make really bad choices and want the rest of to foot the bill.

As I mentioned earlier, a federal jobs guarantee is quite stupid and could only be supported by someone who hasn't thought beyond, "Hey, everyone should like have a job man."

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I'd say they do it more insidiously, repeatedly, nastily, recklessly, and ceaselessly. Maybe my opinion is skewed because I live in the belly of the beast in the SF Bay Area.

Speaking of which, I witnessed a great example of this very thing unfolding in my local politics. Back when Gavin Newsom was running for Mayor of San Francisco, he was running against a candidate that was to his left politically named Matt Gonzales. The left in SF ensured everyone that Newsom was, of course, one step away from Hitler in his racist agenda. Then fast forward until 2018 where Newsom runs against a political opponent to his right and, of course, now that guy is literally Hitler and Newsom is a voice of repressed minorities everywhere.
As an economic refuge from SF, I enjoy explaining to people how Newsom was the voice of reason in his tenor as mayor. Most are incredulous.

As I like to point out, no less an luminary than Bill Maher had a great rant on this subject just before Trumps election. Basically saying, "I know we've said it before but this guy really is a fascist."
And here's a great example from this thread.
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She's a single Socialist in a congress that has open racists and abominations like the Freedom Caucus, the reaction to her from the party that has supported (or at least not disavowed) pedophiles and Nazis running for office amuses some of us.
As the GOP has actually disavowed the various actual NAZI's and hebophiles and I suspect strongly that the racism of the freedom caucus is mostly not being progressive.

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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
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Ocasio-Cortez has been "assigned" dumb by the same Republican political machinery. It is telling to me that that are beginning these attacks already: she must scare the crap out of them!

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And well they should be. She turns thirty five in 2024. A presidential election year.

She ticks a few of the demographic boxes that the GOP is most out of touch with. Female, Hispanic, middle-class, etc.. On top of that she is intelligent, attractive, well-spoken, and obviously charismatic enough to create one of the more astounding electoral upsets in recent history.

They are probably already staining their tighty-whities.
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Originally Posted by Molinaro View Post
No, they don't make up bs stories. They point out the actual evil things done by the members of the GOP and some of their supporters.
So is or isn't Gavin Newsom a racist?
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