House passes Canabis decriminalization

acbytesla · 4th December 2020, 01:58 PM

DOA at the Senate?

dudalb · 4th December 2020, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

DOA at the Senate?

Jesus, that is stupid. Laws against Mary Jane are so widely ignored that it's like prohibition in the last days" a great many law enforcement agencies are not even trying to enforce them.

acbytesla · 4th December 2020, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Jesus, that is stupid. Laws against Mary Jane are so widely ignored that it's like prohibition in the last days" a great many law enforcement agencies are not even trying to enforce them.

I live on the West Coast. We have drive through pot stores.

plague311 · 4th December 2020, 02:27 PM

Cannabis*

Geez, put the pipe down.../sarc

dudalb · 4th December 2020, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

I live on the West Coast. We have drive through pot stores.

I live in Sacramento. In some public parks, you can stoned in the summer just by breahting the air.

dudalb · 4th December 2020, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by plague311

Cannabis*

Geez, put the pipe down.../sarc

Dont' Bogart Thea Joint....

dirtywick · 4th December 2020, 02:39 PM

would be good if they passed it so individuals would have some employment protections

Segnosaur · 4th December 2020, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Jesus, that is stupid. Laws against Mary Jane are so widely ignored that it's like prohibition in the last days" a great many law enforcement agencies are not even trying to enforce them.

Yet according to PEW research:
Police officers made about 663,000 arrests for marijuana-related offenses...amounting to 40% of the 1.65 million total drug arrests in the U.S. that year (2018).

So, arrests are decreasing, but they are still fairly common.

Something else that should be considered.

From: Forbes
Marijuana arrests nationally are down 18% since 2010, but there has been an uptick since 2015—even though more states are enacting legalization or decriminalization policies
...
Overall, black people are 3.64 times more likely than white people to be arrested for marijuana possession, even though usage rates are comparable....“The one common finding across every state and the vast majority of counties is that black people are more likely to be arrested for possessing marijuana than white people, regardless of whether possession is illegal, legal, or decriminalized in their state,” the report concludes.

acbytesla · 4th December 2020, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I live in Sacramento. In some public parks, you can stoned in the summer just by breahting the air.

Whereabouts? I spent a lot of time up around Citrus Heights, Roseville, Folsom area.

Stacyhs · 4th December 2020, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Yet according to PEW research:
Police officers made about 663,000 arrests for marijuana-related offenses...amounting to 40% of the 1.65 million total drug arrests in the U.S. that year (2018).

So, arrests are decreasing, but they are still fairly common.

Something else that should be considered.

From: Forbes
Marijuana arrests nationally are down 18% since 2010, but there has been an uptick since 2015—even though more states are enacting legalization or decriminalization policies
...
Overall, black people are 3.64 times more likely than white people to be arrested for marijuana possession, even though usage rates are comparable....“The one common finding across every state and the vast majority of counties is that black people are more likely to be arrested for possessing marijuana than white people, regardless of whether possession is illegal, legal, or decriminalized in their state,” the report concludes.

But how can that possibly be? Bill Barr has decreed there is "generally no systemic racism in the US among our police departments". The report must be wrong

Dr. Keith · 4th December 2020, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

But how can that possibly be? Bill Barr has decreed there is "generally no systemic racism in the US among our police departments". The report must be wrong

Black people are bad at hiding the fact that their melatonin is high.

dudalb · 4th December 2020, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Whereabouts? I spent a lot of time up around Citrus Heights, Roseville, Folsom area.

Howe Avenue park, once you got away from wher the kids playgrounds were.

Trebuchet · 4th December 2020, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

DOA at the Senate?

Obviously.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 5th December 2020, 02:57 AM

Actually, never mind.

ChristianProgressive · 5th December 2020, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Obviously.

This is one time I say "good on em". Pot has multiple dangerous effects on the brain, especially in young people. Not only should it remain illegal, but enforcement efforts need to be stepped up.

Susheel · 5th December 2020, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

This is one time I say "good on em". Pot has multiple dangerous effects on the brain, especially in young people. Not only should it remain illegal, but enforcement efforts need to be stepped up.

So, you don't sell to kids. Restrictions are there for alcohol and cigarettes, the same mechanism can be used for pot.

kookbreaker · 5th December 2020, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

This is one time I say "good on em". Pot has multiple dangerous effects on the brain, especially in young people. Not only should it remain illegal, but enforcement efforts need to be stepped up.

Decriminalization is not legalization.

Too many young lives have been destroyed by criminal charges over small amounts of MJ. This needs to end.

Ambrosia · 5th December 2020, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

Pot has multiple dangerous effects on the brain, especially in young people.

Multiple dangerous effects??

For example?

In young people, sure. Any mind altering substance is best avoided until after your brain has mostly finished growing. For healthy adults though marijuana is about as close to harmless as you can get.

It's impossible to die from overdose. As in actually physically impossible.

It can trigger latent mental health problems, or exacerbate existing ones. So it's not totally without risk, but the risks are *very* small for a healthy adult, certainly much smaller than other legal and regulated drugs.

If it's available legally then when you buy the stuff you know what's in what you are buying so it won't be mixed with anything like 'Spice' or other synthetic cannabinoids, which are likely more harmful.

The downsides of criminalisation of marijuana far, far outweigh any positive impacts of prohibtion.

dudalb · 5th December 2020, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Susheel

So, you don't sell to kids. Restrictions are there for alcohol and cigarettes, the same mechanism can be used for pot.

This,
Mary Jane should be legalized with the same restrictions as booze.
Less sure about this approach to the harder drugs ..Heroin,Crack etc..though I think addiction should be treated as a medical problem rather then a ciminal one. But the harder stuff shoud have much more severe restrictions then Pot.

Mader Levap · 5th December 2020, 01:03 PM

Nah, harder stuff should be banned, but criminalization should apply only to ones producing and selling drug. Junkies should be detoxed, not in jail for merely buying and using it.

acbytesla · 5th December 2020, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Howe Avenue park, once you got away from wher the kids playgrounds were.

I think I know where that is.

Venom · 5th December 2020, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

Nah, harder stuff should be banned, but criminalization should apply only to ones producing and selling drug. Junkies should be detoxed, not in jail for merely buying and using it.

My thoughts.

I say treat the harder drugs like huffing paint or drinking household items not meant to be drunk.

TruthJonsen · 5th December 2020, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Preliminary evidence suggests that medical cannabis could be an effective option for treating substance use disorders. As the only company conducting US federally funded scientific research using standardized products, Columbia Care is the clear leader to determine a role for medical cannabis in the opioid crisis.

https://www.healtheuropa.eu/using-me...sorders/94903/

dudalb · 5th December 2020, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

I think I know where that is.

Its' not that far from CSUS, which explains a lot....

acbytesla · 5th December 2020, 05:16 PM

I absolutely despise the use of recreational drugs and yet think it's a major waste of time and resources to criminalize their use. I also think in a way criminalizing them makes them more attractive.

3point14 · 5th December 2020, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

This is one time I say "good on em". Pot has multiple dangerous effects on the brain, especially in young people. Not only should it remain illegal, but enforcement efforts need to be stepped up.

You'd be in favour of crimilalising alcohol then?

3point14 · 5th December 2020, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

I absolutely despise the use of recreational drugs and yet think it's a major waste of time and resources to criminalize their use. I also think in a way criminalizing them makes them more attractive.

And makes it much harder to keep them out of the hands of the underage.

And puts enormous sums of money into the hands of people who do bad things with it.

Mike! · 5th December 2020, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Whereabouts? I spent a lot of time up around Citrus Heights, Roseville, Folsom area.

Some 35 plus years ago, that was my primary stomping ground.

JoeMorgue · 5th December 2020, 08:39 PM

"House passes Cannabis decriminalization."

So... nothing then? Like literally nothing? Like as close to nothing as something could happen and still be detectable by science levels of nothing?

So what it went from ~400 bills that the McConnel is gleefully sitting on with no chance of changing his mind and zero chance of anyone doing anything about to ~401 bills?

The House might has well of wished upon a star or thrown a coin in a wishing well.

acbytesla · 5th December 2020, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Mike!

Some 35 plus years ago, that was my primary stomping ground.

I was there for a few months a couple of years ago. Probably a lot has changed since you were there given the changes in the Seattle area during the same timeframe.

Venom · 5th December 2020, 09:11 PM

Wait why do we have a Senate again, exactly?

acbytesla · 5th December 2020, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

"House passes Cannabis decriminalization."

So... nothing then? Like literally nothing? Like as close to nothing as something could happen and still be detectable by science levels of nothing?

So what it went from ~400 bills that the McConnel is gleefully sitting on with no chance of changing his mind and zero chance of anyone doing anything about to ~401 bills?

The House might has well of wished upon a star or thrown a coin in a wishing well.

I disagree. Canabis legalisation just passed in what, four elections this November? 69 percent of the public today thinks it should be legalized. You pass the bill to make the GOP defend being on the other side of something the country supports.

JoeMorgue · 5th December 2020, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

I disagree. Canabis legalisation just passed in what, four elections this November? 69 percent of the public today thinks it should be legalized. You pass the bill to make the GOP defend being on the other side of something the country supports.

Okay. And?

67% of Americans support equal pay for men and women. H.R.7, Paycheck Fairness Act is sitting on McConnel's desk waiting for a vote. It's been there since March of 2019.

83% of Americans support background checks for gun owners. H.R.8, Bipartisan Background Checks Act is sitting on McConnel's desk waiting for a vote. It's been there since February of 2019.

67% of Americans support a higher minimum wage. H.R.582, Raise the Wage Act is sitting on McConnel's desk waiting for a vote. It's been there since July of 2019.

74% of Americans support paths to citizenship. H.R.6, American Dream and Promise Act is sitting on McConnel's desk waiting for a vote. It's been there since July of 2019.

H.R.1, For the People Act, a sweeping reform of voting rights and security. Been sitting on his desk since January of 2019.

H.R.1585, Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act. Expired and wasn't renewed in 2018.

I could go on but my point has been made.

acbytesla · 5th December 2020, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Okay. And?

67% of Americans support equal pay for men and women. H.R.7, Paycheck Fairness Act is sitting on McConnel's desk waiting for a vote. It's been there since March of 2019.

83% of Americans support background checks for gun owners. H.R.8, Bipartisan Background Checks Act is sitting on McConnel's desk waiting for a vote. It's been there since February of 2019.

67% of Americans support a higher minimum wage. H.R.582, Raise the Wage Act is sitting on McConnel's desk waiting for a vote. It's been there since July of 2019.

74% of Americans support paths to citizenship. H.R.6, American Dream and Promise Act is sitting on McConnel's desk waiting for a vote. It's been there since July of 2019.

H.R.1, For the People Act, a sweeping reform of voting rights and security. Been sitting on his desk since January of 2019.

H.R.1585, Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act. Expired and wasn't renewed in 2018.

I could go on but my point has been made.

Your point is great. But I bet the degree which people want to to decriminalize pot is much more.

turingtest · 5th December 2020, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

I disagree. Canabis legalisation just passed in what, four elections this November? 69 percent of the public today thinks it should be legalized. You pass the bill to make the GOP defend being on the other side of something the country supports.

I'd like to agree with this, and do with the basic idea of putting them on the record. Then I remember their adamant opposition to the ACA, and how, when there was public support for things in it like protection for pre-existing conditions, the GOP simply changed the record, and began claiming that only they could provide that protection- all while they were having vote after vote to overturn the law that already provided it, and with nothing tangible to replace it with.

The only thing the GOP needs to do defend being on the wrong side of something the country supports is to claim, when necessary, that they actually always supported it, and in fact, gosh, only they can make it so anyway.

Craig4 · 6th December 2020, 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Your point is great. But I bet the degree which people want to to decriminalize pot is much more.

A majority of people may support it but for how many is it a litmus test issue? The needle won't move on this in the Senate until it becomes a "Go home issue" for Senators. I would try to tie legalization to ending mass incarceration. That makes it a go home issue for Senators in Texas, Georgia, Pennsylvania and a few other states with Republican senators but large Democrat leaning urban areas.

rdaneel · 6th December 2020, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

A majority of people may support it but for how many is it a litmus test issue? The needle won't move on this in the Senate until it becomes a "Go home issue" for Senators. I would try to tie legalization to ending mass incarceration. That makes it a go home issue for Senators in Texas, Georgia, Pennsylvania and a few other states with Republican senators but large Democrat leaning urban areas.

There's also the factor of sales tax revenue their state could be making.
They could be bringing in money from it instead of spending money on enforcement and incarceration.

psionl0 · 6th December 2020, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

This is one time I say "good on em". Pot has multiple dangerous effects on the brain, especially in young people. Not only should it remain illegal, but enforcement efforts need to be stepped up.

Why?
- Are the prisons not full enough for you?
- Is there not enough demand for more police officers, courts and prisons for you?
- Is organized crime not profitable enough for you?
- Are too many people living normal productive lives when with a little more effort, we could destroy them instead?

Chanakya · 6th December 2020, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by psionl0

Why?
- Are the prisons not full enough for you?
- Is there not enough demand for more police officers, courts and prisons for you?
- Is organized crime not profitable enough for you?
- Are too many people living normal productive lives when with a little more effort, we could destroy them instead?

Indeed.

And, most importantly, especially hereabouts on this skeptics site: I think it is pretty widely accepted (although TBF I don't have any research quotes handy) that the ganja is fairly innocuous. Far less so than alcohol, for instance. So that it makes no sense at all to subject this particular substance to all kinds of laws and rules and whatnot (unless we're also willing to do the same for alcohol and coffee!). I mean, apart from anything and everything else, this seems to be blatant, and entirely unreasonable, special pleading.

I myself am all for not just decriminalization but for making marijuana entirely freely available.

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eta:
Just started this thread, to actually examine the proposition that I'm kind of taking for granted here, that marijuana is fairly harmless, certainly less harmful than alcohol.

acbytesla · 6th December 2020, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

This is one time I say "good on em". Pot has multiple dangerous effects on the brain, especially in young people. Not only should it remain illegal, but enforcement efforts need to be stepped up.

Originally Posted by Ambrosia

Multiple dangerous effects??

For example?

In young people, sure. Any mind altering substance is best avoided until after your brain has mostly finished growing. For healthy adults though marijuana is about as close to harmless as you can get.

It's impossible to die from overdose. As in actually physically impossible.

It can trigger latent mental health problems, or exacerbate existing ones. So it's not totally without risk, but the risks are *very* small for a healthy adult, certainly much smaller than other legal and regulated drugs.

If it's available legally then when you buy the stuff you know what's in what you are buying so it won't be mixed with anything like 'Spice' or other synthetic cannabinoids, which are likely more harmful.

The downsides of criminalisation of marijuana far, far outweigh any positive impacts of prohibtion.

I use to feel the way you do CP. But criminalization has been a total and abject failure. It hasn't kept marijuana out of the hands of children. It has however resulted in millions of people being incarcerated and having criminal records. Enforcement is expensive. Prison cells, police and legal costs are enormous.

Alcohol is ten times more dangerous than cannabis and yet you can buy it everywhere. Should we make it illegal?

4th December 2020, 01:58 PM	#1
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dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,307	Originally Posted by acbytesla DOA at the Senate? Jesus, that is stupid. Laws against Mary Jane are so widely ignored that it's like prohibition in the last days" a great many law enforcement agencies are not even trying to enforce them.
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acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,174	Originally Posted by dudalb Jesus, that is stupid. Laws against Mary Jane are so widely ignored that it's like prohibition in the last days" a great many law enforcement agencies are not even trying to enforce them. I live on the West Coast. We have drive through pot stores.
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4th December 2020, 02:28 PM	#5
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,307	Originally Posted by acbytesla I live on the West Coast. We have drive through pot stores. I live in Sacramento. In some public parks, you can stoned in the summer just by breahting the air.
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dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,307	Originally Posted by plague311 Cannabis* Geez, put the pipe down.../sarc Dont' Bogart Thea Joint....
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Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,095	Originally Posted by dudalb Jesus, that is stupid. Laws against Mary Jane are so widely ignored that it's like prohibition in the last days" a great many law enforcement agencies are not even trying to enforce them. Yet according to PEW research: Police officers made about 663,000 arrests for marijuana-related offenses...amounting to 40% of the 1.65 million total drug arrests in the U.S. that year (2018). So, arrests are decreasing, but they are still fairly common. Something else that should be considered. From: Forbes Marijuana arrests nationally are down 18% since 2010, but there has been an uptick since 2015—even though more states are enacting legalization or decriminalization policies ... Overall, black people are 3.64 times more likely than white people to be arrested for marijuana possession, even though usage rates are comparable....“The one common finding across every state and the vast majority of counties is that black people are more likely to be arrested for possessing marijuana than white people, regardless of whether possession is illegal, legal, or decriminalized in their state,” the report concludes.
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acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,174	Originally Posted by dudalb I live in Sacramento. In some public parks, you can stoned in the summer just by breahting the air. Whereabouts? I spent a lot of time up around Citrus Heights, Roseville, Folsom area.
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Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 17,972	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Yet according to PEW research: Police officers made about 663,000 arrests for marijuana-related offenses...amounting to 40% of the 1.65 million total drug arrests in the U.S. that year (2018). So, arrests are decreasing, but they are still fairly common. Something else that should be considered. From: Forbes Marijuana arrests nationally are down 18% since 2010, but there has been an uptick since 2015—even though more states are enacting legalization or decriminalization policies ... Overall, black people are 3.64 times more likely than white people to be arrested for marijuana possession, even though usage rates are comparable....“The one common finding across every state and the vast majority of counties is that black people are more likely to be arrested for possessing marijuana than white people, regardless of whether possession is illegal, legal, or decriminalized in their state,” the report concludes. But how can that possibly be? Bill Barr has decreed there is "generally no systemic racism in the US among our police departments". The report must be wrong

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Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,400	Originally Posted by Stacyhs But how can that possibly be? Bill Barr has decreed there is "generally no systemic racism in the US among our police departments". The report must be wrong Black people are bad at hiding the fact that their melatonin is high.
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dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,307	Originally Posted by acbytesla Whereabouts? I spent a lot of time up around Citrus Heights, Roseville, Folsom area. Howe Avenue park, once you got away from wher the kids playgrounds were.
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ChristianProgressive Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 2,828	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Obviously. This is one time I say "good on em". Pot has multiple dangerous effects on the brain, especially in young people. Not only should it remain illegal, but enforcement efforts need to be stepped up.
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Susheel Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hyderabad, India Posts: 1,755	Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive This is one time I say "good on em". Pot has multiple dangerous effects on the brain, especially in young people. Not only should it remain illegal, but enforcement efforts need to be stepped up. So, you don't sell to kids. Restrictions are there for alcohol and cigarettes, the same mechanism can be used for pot.
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kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,165	Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive This is one time I say "good on em". Pot has multiple dangerous effects on the brain, especially in young people. Not only should it remain illegal, but enforcement efforts need to be stepped up. Decriminalization is not legalization. Too many young lives have been destroyed by criminal charges over small amounts of MJ. This needs to end.
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Ambrosia Good of the Fods Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,675	Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive Pot has multiple dangerous effects on the brain, especially in young people. Multiple dangerous effects?? For example? In young people, sure. Any mind altering substance is best avoided until after your brain has mostly finished growing. For healthy adults though marijuana is about as close to harmless as you can get. It's impossible to die from overdose. As in actually physically impossible. It can trigger latent mental health problems, or exacerbate existing ones. So it's not totally without risk, but the risks are very small for a healthy adult, certainly much smaller than other legal and regulated drugs. If it's available legally then when you buy the stuff you know what's in what you are buying so it won't be mixed with anything like 'Spice' or other synthetic cannabinoids, which are likely more harmful. The downsides of criminalisation of marijuana far, far outweigh any positive impacts of prohibtion.

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dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,307	Originally Posted by Susheel So, you don't sell to kids. Restrictions are there for alcohol and cigarettes, the same mechanism can be used for pot. This, Mary Jane should be legalized with the same restrictions as booze. Less sure about this approach to the harder drugs ..Heroin,Crack etc..though I think addiction should be treated as a medical problem rather then a ciminal one. But the harder stuff shoud have much more severe restrictions then Pot.
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Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,576	Nah, harder stuff should be banned, but criminalization should apply only to ones producing and selling drug. Junkies should be detoxed, not in jail for merely buying and using it.
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acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,174	Originally Posted by dudalb Howe Avenue park, once you got away from wher the kids playgrounds were. I think I know where that is.
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Venom Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 4,887	Originally Posted by Mader Levap Nah, harder stuff should be banned, but criminalization should apply only to ones producing and selling drug. Junkies should be detoxed, not in jail for merely buying and using it. My thoughts. I say treat the harder drugs like huffing paint or drinking household items not meant to be drunk.

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5th December 2020, 05:11 PM	#24
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,307	Originally Posted by acbytesla I think I know where that is. Its' not that far from CSUS, which explains a lot....
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acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,174	I absolutely despise the use of recreational drugs and yet think it's a major waste of time and resources to criminalize their use. I also think in a way criminalizing them makes them more attractive.
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5th December 2020, 05:21 PM	#26
3point14 Pi Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 20,557	Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive This is one time I say "good on em". Pot has multiple dangerous effects on the brain, especially in young people. Not only should it remain illegal, but enforcement efforts need to be stepped up. You'd be in favour of crimilalising alcohol then?
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5th December 2020, 05:22 PM	#27
3point14 Pi Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 20,557	Originally Posted by acbytesla I absolutely despise the use of recreational drugs and yet think it's a major waste of time and resources to criminalize their use. I also think in a way criminalizing them makes them more attractive. And makes it much harder to keep them out of the hands of the underage. And puts enormous sums of money into the hands of people who do bad things with it.
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5th December 2020, 05:42 PM	#28
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 40,153	Originally Posted by acbytesla Whereabouts? I spent a lot of time up around Citrus Heights, Roseville, Folsom area. Some 35 plus years ago, that was my primary stomping ground.
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5th December 2020, 08:39 PM	#29
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,557	"House passes Cannabis decriminalization." So... nothing then? Like literally nothing? Like as close to nothing as something could happen and still be detectable by science levels of nothing? So what it went from ~400 bills that the McConnel is gleefully sitting on with no chance of changing his mind and zero chance of anyone doing anything about to ~401 bills? The House might has well of wished upon a star or thrown a coin in a wishing well.
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5th December 2020, 09:06 PM	#30
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,174	Originally Posted by Mike! Some 35 plus years ago, that was my primary stomping ground. I was there for a few months a couple of years ago. Probably a lot has changed since you were there given the changes in the Seattle area during the same timeframe.
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5th December 2020, 09:11 PM	#31
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5th December 2020, 09:12 PM	#32
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,174	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue "House passes Cannabis decriminalization." So... nothing then? Like literally nothing? Like as close to nothing as something could happen and still be detectable by science levels of nothing? So what it went from ~400 bills that the McConnel is gleefully sitting on with no chance of changing his mind and zero chance of anyone doing anything about to ~401 bills? The House might has well of wished upon a star or thrown a coin in a wishing well. I disagree. Canabis legalisation just passed in what, four elections this November? 69 percent of the public today thinks it should be legalized. You pass the bill to make the GOP defend being on the other side of something the country supports.
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5th December 2020, 09:28 PM	#33
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,557	Originally Posted by acbytesla I disagree. Canabis legalisation just passed in what, four elections this November? 69 percent of the public today thinks it should be legalized. You pass the bill to make the GOP defend being on the other side of something the country supports. Okay. And? 67% of Americans support equal pay for men and women. H.R.7, Paycheck Fairness Act is sitting on McConnel's desk waiting for a vote. It's been there since March of 2019. 83% of Americans support background checks for gun owners. H.R.8, Bipartisan Background Checks Act is sitting on McConnel's desk waiting for a vote. It's been there since February of 2019. 67% of Americans support a higher minimum wage. H.R.582, Raise the Wage Act is sitting on McConnel's desk waiting for a vote. It's been there since July of 2019. 74% of Americans support paths to citizenship. H.R.6, American Dream and Promise Act is sitting on McConnel's desk waiting for a vote. It's been there since July of 2019. H.R.1, For the People Act, a sweeping reform of voting rights and security. Been sitting on his desk since January of 2019. H.R.1585, Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act. Expired and wasn't renewed in 2018. I could go on but my point has been made.
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5th December 2020, 09:42 PM	#34
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,174	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Okay. And? 67% of Americans support equal pay for men and women. H.R.7, Paycheck Fairness Act is sitting on McConnel's desk waiting for a vote. It's been there since March of 2019. 83% of Americans support background checks for gun owners. H.R.8, Bipartisan Background Checks Act is sitting on McConnel's desk waiting for a vote. It's been there since February of 2019. 67% of Americans support a higher minimum wage. H.R.582, Raise the Wage Act is sitting on McConnel's desk waiting for a vote. It's been there since July of 2019. 74% of Americans support paths to citizenship. H.R.6, American Dream and Promise Act is sitting on McConnel's desk waiting for a vote. It's been there since July of 2019. H.R.1, For the People Act, a sweeping reform of voting rights and security. Been sitting on his desk since January of 2019. H.R.1585, Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act. Expired and wasn't renewed in 2018. I could go on but my point has been made. Your point is great. But I bet the degree which people want to to decriminalize pot is much more.
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5th December 2020, 09:49 PM	#35
turingtest Mistral, mistral wind... Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Embedded, reporting from Mississippi Posts: 4,673	Originally Posted by acbytesla I disagree. Canabis legalisation just passed in what, four elections this November? 69 percent of the public today thinks it should be legalized. You pass the bill to make the GOP defend being on the other side of something the country supports. I'd like to agree with this, and do with the basic idea of putting them on the record. Then I remember their adamant opposition to the ACA, and how, when there was public support for things in it like protection for pre-existing conditions, the GOP simply changed the record, and began claiming that only they could provide that protection- all while they were having vote after vote to overturn the law that already provided it, and with nothing tangible to replace it with. The only thing the GOP needs to do defend being on the wrong side of something the country supports is to claim, when necessary, that they actually always supported it, and in fact, gosh, only they can make it so anyway.
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