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Old 20th January 2020, 02:34 AM   #961
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Yes I do. I do it every work day.

It is either meeting in person or by big screen TV and there is very little difference apart from shaking hands physically.

I get you think while watching her videos she needs to be there in person while not being there in person when she influences you, somehow means she has to be there to influence others.

Don't understand it but get it.
Thank you. Confirming that you know nothing about communication.
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Old 20th January 2020, 02:38 AM   #962
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Thank you. Confirming that you know nothing about communication.
Says the poster who lives by Greta videos
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Old 20th January 2020, 02:45 AM   #963
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Says the poster who lives by Greta videos
Bwahahaha.

I’ve never watched a video by Greta.

But keep on showing your ignorance of the benefits of meeting in person.
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Old 20th January 2020, 02:49 AM   #964
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Bwahahaha.



I’ve never watched a video by Greta.



But keep on showing your ignorance of the benefits of meeting in person.
Nice dodging again. Bit I meet heaps of people in person.

These days it just seems to be more via camera if they are in the US or the UK.

But I get you think they should fly over for 20 hours.

And then maybe go jet boating
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Old 20th January 2020, 04:34 AM   #965
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
That's a shame.

I'm not.

Patronising ****.
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Old 20th January 2020, 05:35 AM   #966
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Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg View Post
Why are you scared?

I don't mean this in any way except as honest curiosity..

Are you personally threatened by rising sea levels, or very moderate temperature increases?

Climate change doesn't scare me , though it does concern me to some extent; but not because of either of the two reasons mentioned, and I'm not sure what other
reasons there might be.
Do you have to be personally threatened? Is it not possible to care about what happens to other people?
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Old 20th January 2020, 06:04 AM   #967
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Do you have to be personally threatened? Is it not possible to care about what happens to other people?
Oh you are simply not tough enough to be a true skeptic like Skepitcal Greg.....
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Old 20th January 2020, 10:22 AM   #968
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Do you have to be personally threatened? Is it not possible to care about what happens to other people?
Not eating all of your straw, and saving some for arguments I haven't made?

Certainly I care..

What does that have to do with being scared?
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They burned Joan of Arc, and they're doing their damndest to burn down funny-looking little Greta.

Let 'em. All her detractors will be ****-stained footnotes long before she's even old enough to vote.
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
Patronising ****.
Not patronising.

It is called being honest.

I tell you what

Become a vegan. Apparently a few people doing it while the US, India, and China spew emissions, it will save the death of the human race.


No agenda there
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Old 20th January 2020, 02:06 PM   #971
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They burned Joan of Arc, and they're doing their damndest to burn down funny-looking little Greta.

Let 'em. All her detractors will be ****-stained footnotes long before she's even old enough to vote.
No one here is burning anyone, or even trying to silence her..

Some are just questioning how important she really is ..

Otherwise there would be no discussion. Just genuflecting at the altar..

Can you imagine that some people actually compare her to St. Jeanne d'Arc?
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Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg View Post
No one here is burning anyone, or even trying to silence her..

Some are just questioning how important she really is ..

Otherwise there would be no discussion. Just genuflecting at the altar..

Can you imagine that some people actually compare her to St. Jeanne d'Arc?
Well Joan was dismissed as a silly little girl, so there is that similarity.
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Joan also inspired a popular following, and scared the less popular.

And Greta has a helluva lot better cause.
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Old 20th January 2020, 03:10 PM   #974
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Well Joan was dismissed as a silly little girl, so there is that similarity.
Can't argue with that..
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Old 20th January 2020, 03:44 PM   #975
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Joan never bothered going to school either
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Old 20th January 2020, 06:22 PM   #976
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Fair call.

I just went with what I was like as a teenager.

It wasn't listening to Greta. It was trying to get it on with that chick in maths
Your judgement doesn't seem to have improved any.

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I am fully aware changes are happening. What I am not sure of is how much is really our fault and howmuch is earth's natural cycles. The reports of each scientist count but no one has been determined to be exact yet.
Panic is not the answer.
I am guessing your age is closer to 70 than 17.

As people get older they tend to become more conservative in their outlook. We survived for all these years despite the panic, and nothing really changed. But now I am seeing changes, and they are disturbing. The science is clear, even if you don't understand the nuances. You don't have to. Just look around and you will see the changes. And if you think it won't affect you, think again. Our global economy is very sensitive to disturbances. A few bad mortgages almost put it under, so just think what a little worse 'weather' will do to it!

But there isn't much you or I alone can do about it, which why we have to support the people with real power - people like Greta Thunberg.

The older I get the less I panic, and the less stuff gets done 'urgently'. But the stupid thing is that the older I get the more urgently stuff needs to get done. If I was told at age 17 that I might have less than 10 years to live, I would be trying to do as much as I could in the little time I had left. Now? Another year goes by and it's no big deal - until one day...

We need people like Greta Thunberg because they have the sense of urgency that we older people lack. If not for their 'panic', nothing would get done - and then it will be too late for all of us.
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Too late for ' what ' ?
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Joan never bothered going to school either
Greta went to school.
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Too late for ' what ' ?
Apparently too late to keep the weather exactly the same, never changing, just the way we like it, forever and ever and ever.

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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets View Post
Your judgement doesn't seem to have improved any.



I am guessing your age is closer to 70 than 17.



As people get older they tend to become more conservative in their outlook. We survived for all these years despite the panic, and nothing really changed. But now I am seeing changes, and they are disturbing. The science is clear, even if you don't understand the nuances. You don't have to. Just look around and you will see the changes. And if you think it won't affect you, think again. Our global economy is very sensitive to disturbances. A few bad mortgages almost put it under, so just think what a little worse 'weather' will do to it!



But there isn't much you or I alone can do about it, which why we have to support the people with real power - people like Greta Thunberg.



The older I get the less I panic, and the less stuff gets done 'urgently'. But the stupid thing is that the older I get the more urgently stuff needs to get done. If I was told at age 17 that I might have less than 10 years to live, I would be trying to do as much as I could in the little time I had left. Now? Another year goes by and it's no big deal - until one day...



We need people like Greta Thunberg because they have the sense of urgency that we older people lack. If not for their 'panic', nothing would get done - and then it will be too late for all of us.
Apart from getting kids to not go to school for a day every now and again and having a big following what real power has she wielded?

It's a bit like saying Cold Play are a great band because the sell heaps of records when the a repetitive dirge
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Not patronising.

It is called being honest.

I tell you what

Become a vegan. Apparently a few people doing it while the US, India, and China spew emissions, it will save the death of the human race.


No agenda there

Now just being a cynical ****.
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Now just being a cynical ****.
Cynical would be desperately throwing out messages to come up with an excuse your dad is the author username of your Facebook posts.

But all good.

I'll take her word for it
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Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg View Post
All climate change debate posts have been reported.
This is not the thread for that.
Interesting that you would do this, then in your very next post make misleading claims about what the climate science actuality says.

Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg View Post
Why are you scared?

Are you personally threatened by rising sea levels, or very moderate temperature increases?
It's almost as if your real goal is to get the moderators to prohibit anyone from debunking the incorrect or misleading claims you are making about climate change...
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Good news. Net-zero emissions are no longer enough. Offsetting and planting trees are no good. We need actual zero emissions to stay below 1.5 degrees.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and...greta-thunberg

Presumably this is just reiterating the recommendations of the IPCC report?
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Cynical would be desperately throwing out messages to come up with an excuse your dad is the author username of your Facebook posts.

But all good.

I'll take her word for it
Trump agrees with you. There's nothing to worry about.
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Good news. Net-zero emissions are no longer enough. Offsetting and planting trees are no good. We need actual zero emissions to stay below 1.5 degrees.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and...greta-thunberg

Presumably this is just reiterating the recommendations of the IPCC report?
Yes, that's always been her position. Ending the use of fossil fuels.

I don't know about you but I got a hella lot of fossil fuel burning to do this year. International vacations, home renovations, lots of driving around in my new truck, maybe a yacht. Government can do whatever they want with the price of fuel, I don't care, I can afford it.

Oh, and I support Greta Thunberg, at least on paper where it really counts.
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Trump agrees with you. There's nothing to worry about.
Not sure how this post relates in any way to mine, but appreciate you have a fixation with Trump so I am happy just looking at it as an odd quirk.
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Not eating all of your straw, and saving some for arguments I haven't made?

Certainly I care..

What does that have to do with being scared?
I would have thought that contemplating the grave, possibly catastrophic consequences of climate change, and the fact that these changes may be largely unstoppable, would be enough to scare anyone.
Obviously, as has been pointed out, this is presumably because I'm not as tough as you.
I should also point out that you don't have to be personally threatened by something to be scared: ask anyone who's seen a good horror film.
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Yes, that's always been her position. Ending the use of fossil fuels.

I don't know about you but I got a hella lot of fossil fuel burning to do this year. International vacations, home renovations, lots of driving around in my new truck, maybe a yacht. Government can do whatever they want with the price of fuel, I don't care, I can afford it.

Oh, and I support Greta Thunberg, at least on paper where it really counts.
Going literally zero carbon to hit the 1.5 degree target is the authoritarian purity fantasy of a little girl. She might as well demand the UN gather the wishes of all the boys and girls together and take them to the magic wishing tree where the elves of the forest can weave them into a net to capture carbon from the air for all the realism there is here.

Going zero carbon in a timescale remotely relevant to the 1.5 degree target implies almost all international trade stops. Almost everything on the roads stop. Energy prices soar. Most industry stops. Every economy collapses. Producing batteries and solar panels isn't exactly zero carbon, so that has to stop. Building any more nuclear power stations is definitely out.

Or do we not actually take what she says seriously?

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Going literally zero carbon to hit the 1.5 degree target is the authoritarian purity fantasy of a little girl. She might as well demand the UN gather the wishes of all the boys and girls together and take them to the magic wishing tree where the elves of the forest can weave them into a net to capture carbon from the air for all the realism there is here.

Going zero carbon in a timescale remotely relevant to the 1.5 degree target implies almost all international trade stops. Almost everything on the roads stop. Energy prices soar. Most industry stops. Every economy collapses. Producing batteries and solar panels isn't exactly zero carbon, so that has to stop. Building any more nuclear power stations is definitely out.

Or do we not actually take what she says seriously?
We could have started limiting emissions earlier, when scientists first started to warn about this, but we listened to people like you and did nothing.
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We could have started limiting emissions earlier, when scientists first started to warn about this, but we listened to people like you and did nothing.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda.

That helps

We have what we have now.
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We could have started limiting emissions earlier, when scientists first started to warn about this, but we listened to people like you and did nothing.
That doesn't mean that ignoring the recommendations of scientists and calling for the collapse of civilisation is the way to go. I can see how one might find it emotionally satisfying if one was an authoritarian puritan, but honestly.... avoiding 1.5 degrees by going literally zero carbon? Do hundreds of millions, or billions starve to death in this plan?

Either who ever writes her speeches is a fool, or they are deliberately asking for things that can not be implemented.
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That doesn't mean that ignoring the recommendations of scientists and calling for the collapse of civilisation is the way to go. I can see how one might find it emotionally satisfying if one was an authoritarian puritan, but honestly.... avoiding 1.5 degrees by going literally zero carbon? Do hundreds of millions, or billions starve to death in this plan?

Either who ever writes her speeches is a fool, or they are deliberately asking for things that can not be implemented.
Easy to post stuff like this. Show us your work. Show some evidence that avoiding 1.5C warming will lead to billions of deaths?

More importantly, as you should realise if you have been following the science, 1.5C is now almost certainly built in. Show us the cost of seeing 2.0C or more devastating the earth against avoiding warming beyond 1.5C?

You are posting nothing but denialism. “Nah, too hard, don’t bother”.
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Originally Posted by shuttlt View Post
That doesn't mean that ignoring the recommendations of scientists and calling for the collapse of civilisation is the way to go. I can see how one might find it emotionally satisfying if one was an authoritarian puritan, but honestly.... avoiding 1.5 degrees by going literally zero carbon? Do hundreds of millions, or billions starve to death in this plan?

Either who ever writes her speeches is a fool, or they are deliberately asking for things that can not be implemented.
Those ignoring recommendations from the scientists are you lot.

Hundreds of millions will starve to death if we keep on the way we are going. Hundreds of millions will starve to death if we make half-assed limitations to emissions.

Basically, because we listened to people like you, hundreds of millions will die, pretty much no matter what we do. We'll just have to accept that. I don't even think we can count on poetic justice, and those who die will be people who had no say in nor benefit from all the emissions.

What Greta is saying, that I agree with, is that we should stop listening to people like you and start listening to the scientists who we have collectively ignored all along.
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