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Old 21st October 2018, 09:59 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Let's look at the lies they told about Trump Soho.




As someone who's entire career has been in sales. I understand the difference between puffery and outright lying. The moment you make a claim that is specific and demonstrably false, you are engaged in FRAUD! This wasn't just slightly rounding up say 65 to say 70%. No, they were saying that 5 or 10 or 15%. No they were turning it into whopping 60 %!

And Ivanka and Don Jr were almost assuredly going to be indicted. That is until certain politicians were paid off and mysteriously ordered the DA to drop the case.

Read the story.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...nal-indictment
Yeah, but at the end of the day, no one got convicted, amiright?
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Old 21st October 2018, 10:02 AM   #122
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
No, Trump has more than one conviction on the books. Clinton has zero.
Specifics, please.
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Old 21st October 2018, 10:47 AM   #123
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Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
Yeah, but at the end of the day, no one got convicted, amiright?
Nope. It's amazing what putting money in the right hands will do.
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Old 21st October 2018, 03:15 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by Jack Rainbow View Post
hi, I don't have anything to contribute and don't want to argue about trump. But am not sure why he's accused of being a grifter and a liar.
I know exactly how you feel. I live in this city where it rains 240 days a year and I can't figure out why people call it rainy.
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Old 21st October 2018, 08:47 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
I am NOT going to take over River’s rein here, but...

I’m not aware of any criminal convictions. Numerous civil judgments, but those should not counted as convictions, as they’re not.

I think there’s plenty of evidence of criminal wrongdoing, going all the way back to evading sales tax by having a store ship an empty jewelry box to an out-of-state address. The statute of limitations may render him immune from prosecution for said tax evasion, but it certainly shows a pattern of contempt for laws he chooses to ignore. I recall there’s also evidence of using Trump Foundation funds for personal and campaign expenses - something as trivial as using said funds to pay Barron’s Boy Scout fee or equivalent, or paying a fine at a FL property involving an oversized flag.

Back on point, has Donald Trump ever been convicted of a crime?
Point taken but there are some gray areas here. For example criminal charges were dropped after a civil claim was settled.

And there are some unsettled charges like having sex with a 13 yr old.
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- Trump Tower was built using undocumented Polish laborers to demolish the building that previously stood on the site. At trial, the workers testified they worked without basic safety equipment like hardhats and gloves and they were supposed to earn $5 an hour from Trump’s low-bid contractor. But court documents show that for weeks, they were paid nothing. An NBC News story in which numerous witnesses were interviewed showed that Trump knew about the undocumented, unpaid workers. Yet under oath, Trump testified that he knew nothing, thus adding perjury allegations to the labor law violations.

-Trump is alleged to have violated immigration laws in hiring foreign models for Trump Model Management. These models worked illegally, and he failed to pay them fairly. Two of the former Trump models said Trump’s agency encouraged them to deceive customs officials about why they were visiting the United States and told them to lie on customs forms about where they intended to live. “It’s like modern-day slavery,” one model told Mother Jones. Senator Barbara Boxer has called for the Department of Homeland Security to investigate Trump for human trafficking in relation to Trump Model Management.
He paid a fine here but I'm going to have to check if it was a criminal conviction:
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-His charitable foundation violated tax laws by giving a $25,000 political contribution to a campaign group connected to Florida’s attorney general, Pam Bondi, in 2013. As a registered nonprofit, the Trump Foundation was not allowed to make political donations. He paid a $2,500 fine.
Pretty sure bribery is a crime, probably he didn't get charged:
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-Trump is accused of bribing the Attorney General of Florida, Pam Bondi to drop her investigation of Trump University. She successfully solicited a donation from him before the fraud case, and afterward, he held a fundraiser for her at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach.
Here's another pending charge:
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-He is currently being charged with child rape in a case for which there is an eyewitness and credible information to support the claim. The woman filing suit in April 2016 claims that as a 13-year-old in 1994, she was enticed to attend parties with the promise of money and modeling jobs at the home of Jeffrey Epstein, a Level 3 registered sex offender (the most dangerous kind), after Epstein was convicted of misconduct with another underage girl.
So maybe only civil lawsuits lost are on the record but there is some iffy skirting of criminal law.
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Old 21st October 2018, 08:51 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Creating a summary of Trump's lies is an impossibility, even if you reduce it to the mega whoppers. People who ask for evidence of Trump lies are so disingenuous as to be in the realm of the surreal. Meanwhile, I'll repeat my challenge: I'll bet hard, cold cash that nobody is able to cite five minutes of Trump speaking, sans teleprompter, without lying.

I began this post intending to summarize the grifting -- Trump Foundation, Trump business, Trump U, stiffing contractors, hush money payments ... I need to punt; this is also a daunting list if it's to be comprehensive. He's been grifting non-stop his entire adult life after all.
I just listened to the Cantwell-Hutchinson debate and I was gobsmacked at how Hutchinson believes Trump has fulfilled all her political ideals.

For those not in WA state, Cantwell is our current Senator and Hutchinson, her challenger, is a devout Christian and a conservative.

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Old 21st October 2018, 08:57 PM   #127
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Specifics, please.
See post #130.
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Old 21st October 2018, 09:50 PM   #128
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I have the feeling that some of us are of a certain age. It's not like that song gets played a lot nowadays.
Definitely old enough. Getting old sucks but it sure beats no birthdays
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Old 21st October 2018, 09:52 PM   #129
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I just listened to the Cantwell-Hutchinson debate and I was gobsmacked at how Hutchinson believes Trump has fulfilled all her political ideals.

For those not in WA state, Cantwell is our current Senator and Hutchinson, her challenger, is a devout Christian and a conservative.
Nitpick: Hutchison. Also former local teevee nooz anchor. She's got no chance, just a sacrificial lamb for the GOP.
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Old 21st October 2018, 09:53 PM   #130
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I mean, I told y'all that a while ago. And a lot of other people around NYC were saying so before I was. Those stories should have come out before the RNC convention, really.


ETA: I said right from the start that had they not been born into their families, GWB would likely be a group manager at a company - maybe he'd run a store or some such, and Cheeto Benito would've been a 3 card monty dealer that ended up getting stabbed to death decades ago.
I know this is a few days and quite a few posts after you posted, but the fact is that information was out there and available but the MSM ignored it. They may have given it a two second mention or a slug on page 33 but no one wanted to run with it. It was much more fun to report on the latest foolish denominem Trump came up with for an opponent. The MSM is America's Dr. Frankenstein in this tale.
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Old 21st October 2018, 10:06 PM   #131
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I just listened to the Cantwell-Hutchinson debate and I was gobsmacked at how Hutchinson believes Trump has fulfilled all her political ideals.

For those not in WA state, Cantwell is our current Senator and Hutchinson, her challenger, is a devout Christian and a conservative.
It is amazing isn't it? A devout Christian believes that a twice divorced man who has had numerous affairs and lies incessantly is her political ideal?
Also, I can't imagine why someone running for election in Washington State would say that about Trump. Trump was crushed there in 2016 and he's less popular now. But considering the latest poll has Cantwell up by 14 points. Basically unchanged since the primary, so I guess why not?

Cantwell lived in Mountlake Terrace and now lives in Edmonds two suburban towns North of Seattle that border each other. I have lived in both towns also.
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Old 21st October 2018, 10:13 PM   #132
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Definitely further proof if any was needed, that reporters need to consult experts in the field they are reporting on in order to understand it. There are so many glaring errors and shadings of the truth in the Pro-Publica article that it's kind of embarrassing.

For starters, how involved was Trump in these transactions? The article tries to have it both ways:



But a paragraph or two later:



Now seriously, first of all, how stupid do you have to believe that Trump had no stake in the project? Why would he lend his name to it otherwise? He may have had no money of his own invested in the deal, but that is a completely different thing. And of course the initial argument was that Trump was far more involved than he claimed in the licensed projects, not far less involved.

Most of the other points raised in the article turn out to be the fact that Trump and his people hyped themselves and their projects and sometimes (gasp!) overstated how well they were doing.

I do find the highlighted claim supposedly proving Ivanka guilty herself is almost immediately corrected:



So she made it sound like she was this genius real estate saleswoman? But when pressed on it, immediately said she meant some sore of royal "I". Of course, she should have gone with the usual, "My team and I sold 40 units."

Most of the other statements amount to standard real estate puffery, which is not illegal. If Trump was a publicly traded company you could raise an argument that it is deceiving investors, but buyers do not have quite the same protections. Go into any real estate sales office at a condo development and ask them how sales are going. Unless the project has been taken over by the bank, expect them to tell you that sales are brisk, but they do have a few very nice units for sale.

And even some of those "statements" are are weakly sourced:



Seriously? His source is a lawsuit quoted by Univision? I mean, he can't even vouch for the lawsuit itself. And it gets much worse:



That is a source?
Curses! And we would've gotten away with it, too! If not for you pesky supporters and your enabler dog!

(Translation: Your interpretation is logger-worthy. It does not prove what it says it proved. In fact, it's pretty much a textbook definition of "grifters". Dad and daughter hyping their participation and ownership in project they never really participated in nor owned. Why? Well, to whore the brand name, Trump, of course. It's just like the in-laws trying to sell an implied link to White House access if you bought into the Trump-branded project in India or the route to a visa they were selling in China.)

Remember, folks! It's a three part proposition. Liars, grifters and criminals.
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Old 22nd October 2018, 04:22 AM   #133
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See post #130.
Are you referring to the post Foolmewunz put after you posted? Your numbering is off from mine. And I mean specifics... date, what he was convicted of.
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I know exactly how you feel. I live in this city where it rains 240 days a year and I can't figure out why people call it rainy.
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Trump is not so much a businessman as he is a mobster.
Nice little treaty organization ya got here. Be a shame if something was to happen to it. Now, if we were to have better personal relations, like say a resort or hotel or casino in your country, I'm sure that closeness and friendship would bring about better deals for everyone.
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Latest “Trump, Inc.” podcast is titled “Trump and Taxes: The Art of the Dodge”.

Should make for interesting listening.
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He has yet to pardon himself and Trump may not pardon away crimes against the various states. Fraud committed in New York State is a crime against New York State, not the Federal government. The State of New York is suing Trump for crimes as opposed to prosecuting him because, well he's the President.

Your point is like the proverbial tree in the forest. Is it the commission of a crime that makes one a criminal or is it the conviction?
Why the conviction of course, see Trump's response and rage at letting the central park 5 out of prison merely for being innocent.
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Are you referring to the post Foolmewunz put after you posted? Your numbering is off from mine. And I mean specifics... date, what he was convicted of.
If I may chime in here ...

There is an entire Wikipedia page devoted to the various Trump legal problems, so maybe this will help to answer your questions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_...f_Donald_Trump
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If I may chime in here ...

There is an entire Wikipedia page devoted to the various Trump legal problems, so maybe this will help to answer your questions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_...f_Donald_Trump
I read it. I could not find convictions of a specific crime. All I found were lawsuits and settlements without guilt admission. I welcome specific correction.
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You are mistaken. What I did say is; the American public has proof of her committing multiple felonies. The proof comes straight from her lips, and James Comeys.
And trumps braging about sexual assaulting women and getting away with it is the kind of endearing sex crime republicans love. I mean like with Kavanaugh who didn't rape girls in high school? No properly red blooded heterosexual male that is sure.
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I read it. I could not find convictions of a specific crime. All I found were lawsuits and settlements without guilt admission. I welcome specific correction.
OK, thanks. I see your point.

As far as I know, Trump does not have any criminal convictions. And while it is true that Trump has been in trouble for decades in a large number civil issues (lawsuits, contract disputes, and such), but he has never been convicted for doing anything criminal.

And by the way, in the case of civil law, one does not plead "guilty" or "not guilty" because that sort of thing is done in criminal proceedings.

I hope this helps.
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...Trump does not have any criminal convictions. ...
Yet...
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OK, thanks. I see your point.

As far as I know, Trump does not have any criminal convictions. And while it is true that Trump has been in trouble for decades in a large number civil issues (lawsuits, contract disputes, and such), but he has never been convicted for doing anything criminal.
Well he was listed as participating in a sales tax dodge but not charged with it. He had the jeweler across the street mail an empty box to another state to avoid paying sales tax on the jewelry.

And the criminal charges against his businesses for money laundering. But of course owning and operating a business committing crimes is not a crime.
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Yet...
Ironically, money makes it relatively easy to dodge criminal charges.
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Trump is not so much a businessman as he is a mobster.
Mobster is giving him too much credit.

Trump is more like a CEO brought into a once viable business to squeeze as much value out of the brand before it finally dies. He's like the CEO of Sears, selling off all assets that actually have any value, getting the last drop of juice out of the withered husk of the once great company before letting it finally go bankrupt and die. Ideally, a good CEO would find a way to re-invent the company and adapt it to the modern market reality. Barring that, grab as much cash while it's still alive and leave the indebted corpse for the bankruptcy court to deal with.

Trump inherited a reasonably successful NY real estate company from his father and has been slowly gliding it into the ground. He constantly leased out the Trump name to dodgier and dodgier ventures as he steadily ran out the fumes of the once good brand recognition. His one true skill is convincing rubes that the Trump brand is still an exemplar of business acumen and luxurious living.
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Yes, and heís the head of a crime family.

Itís astonishing to think we have a president who is a worse human being then both his grandfather, the draft-dodging pimp, and his father, the tax-cheating Klansman.
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Mobster is giving him too much credit.

Trump is more like a CEO brought into a once viable business to squeeze as much value out of the brand before it finally dies. He's like the CEO of Sears, selling off all assets that actually have any value, getting the last drop of juice out of the withered husk of the once great company before letting it finally go bankrupt and die. Ideally, a good CEO would find a way to re-invent the company and adapt it to the modern market reality. Barring that, grab as much cash while it's still alive and leave the indebted corpse for the bankruptcy court to deal with.

Trump inherited a reasonably successful NY real estate company from his father and has been slowly gliding it into the ground. He constantly leased out the Trump name to dodgier and dodgier ventures as he steadily ran out the fumes of the once good brand recognition. His one true skill is convincing rubes that the Trump brand is still an exemplar of business acumen and luxurious living.

I love the game where he sold equity in his private ventures (thereby making it personal income), skimmed some off the top, invested the rest in some stupid business decisions, and then when they went bankrupt, wrote the suckers' money off his personal taxes for the next 10 years. Even with scams like that, he needed daddy's money and Russian money laundering to get by. I think he probably would have failed as a mobster, too.

ETA: The circle is complete: Failed businessman -> successful con-artist -> successful Reality TV game show host -> successful Presidential candidate -> failed President.

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