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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2017 French presidential election?
Nathalie Arthaud* 0 0%
François Asselineau* 0 0%
Jacques Cheminade* 0 0%
Nicolas Dupont-Aignan 0 0%
François Fillon 2 6.45%
Benoît Hamon 0 0%
Jean Lassalle 0 0%
Marine Le Pen 7 22.58%
Emmanuel Macron* 16 51.61%
Jean-Luc Mélenchon* 0 0%
Philippe Poutou* 0 0%
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Old 23rd April 2017, 11:11 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by Firestone View Post
First results in line with polls: Macron and Le Pen in second round.
I'll add a linky which will likely follow this up:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39686993

Phew?

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Old 23rd April 2017, 11:14 AM   #162
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Phew indeed.
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What are her chances in the 2nd round?
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Old 23rd April 2017, 11:47 AM   #164
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I would say none, but you never know. I can not exclude that some of major figures of "la droite la plus bête du monde" do not take position on who to vote during the second round or could even recommend to vote Le Pen.

Furthermore I really doubt Mélenchon will ask his supporters to vote for Macron. All this could make the second round more tricky than expected.
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What are her chances in the 2nd round?
She should sufficiently scare everybody sane to vote in 2nd round against her.
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Old 23rd April 2017, 12:03 PM   #166
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Yes, she should... However cartesianism is of French origin the French voters are not always fully rational.

Well, taking into account what happened during the last months in the UK and in the US I think one can say that voters in general, and not only French ones, are not fully rational.

However if a huge terror Attack would happen in France between now and the election day, which nobody wants to happen, this could help Le Pen.

Assuming that Macron becomes President, which is the most likely, the question which arises is to know what kind of parlementary majority he will have and who will be i his government.

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Good. Macro as a centrist has a chance to rally left and right, at least the reasonable/rational part of both side, and his politics are not far fetched.
Considering how he openly admires Tony Blair, I wouldn't be so sure.
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Fillon has just endorsed Macron for the second round. This will make things difficult for Le Pen.
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Considering how he openly admires Tony Blair, I wouldn't be so sure.
Far better option then any other French got.
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Phew indeed.
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First results in line with polls: Macron and Le Pen in second round.
Wait, the French don't just declare the racist that finished with the second most votes the winner? What a novel system.
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Wait, the French don't just declare the racist that finished with the second most votes the winner? What a novel system.
Don't give them ideas, please.

France 2 just gave a first poll for the second round, done this evening after the first results were announced: Macron gets 62% in that poll.
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Wait, the French don't just declare the racist that finished with the second most votes the winner? What a novel system.
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Old 23rd April 2017, 01:35 PM   #174
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No accents, sorry. The BBC has Melenchon equal with Fillon in 3rd/ 4th. That's a pretty impressive result for the former, and a pretty depressing one for the former favourite.

Here's an idea. Le Pen wins, and the French have a Frexit referendum, in which they vote decisively to leave. This causes the breakup of the EU, but instead of letting the whole shabang come crashing down, the heads of Government cook up a new arrangement which is little more than a large free trade area with no institutions, no membership fees and no subsidies . They do this just before Brexit happens and we (and the French) join the new organisation as full members and everyone lives happily ever after........ Every nightmare has a silver lining.
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No accents, sorry. The BBC has Melenchon equal with Fillon in 3rd/ 4th. That's a pretty impressive result for the former, and a pretty depressing one for the former favourite.

Here's an idea. Le Pen wins, and the French have a Frexit referendum, in which they vote decisively to leave. This causes the breakup of the EU, but instead of letting the whole shabang come crashing down, the heads of Government cook up a new arrangement which is little more than a large free trade area with no institutions, no membership fees and no subsidies . They do this just before Brexit happens and we (and the French) join the new organisation as full members and everyone lives happily ever after........ Every nightmare has a silver lining.
Polling errors exist but Macron leads Le Pen by 26 points in runoff polls. This isn't Clinton up 2-3 on Trump or Remain leading by 1-2.
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No accents, sorry. The BBC has Melenchon equal with Fillon in 3rd/ 4th. That's a pretty impressive result for the former, and a pretty depressing one for the former favourite.

Here's an idea. Le Pen wins, and the French have a Frexit referendum, in which they vote decisively to leave. This causes the breakup of the EU, but instead of letting the whole shabang come crashing down, the heads of Government cook up a new arrangement which is little more than a large free trade area with no institutions, no membership fees and no subsidies . They do this just before Brexit happens and we (and the French) join the new organisation as full members and everyone lives happily ever after........ Every nightmare has a silver lining.
That's just millimeter better then just nothing. Completely idiotic useless stuff that won't do a thing for anything that matters. Putin, China and USA would likely approve because it would mean they would become top dogs again, everybody else in Europe would just lose, while rolling hundreds of years of progress. (just when things were getting better)

If you want to be third-world poor idiotic nation, just leave and do not drag us there too. Many Thanks.

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Old 23rd April 2017, 11:06 PM   #178
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What are her chances in the 2nd round?
Polls show the electorate breaking almost 2:1 in favor of any other candidate, with Macron topping the list by a good margin.

Barring an ISIS nuke in a major city, none.

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No accents, sorry. The BBC has Melenchon equal with Fillon in 3rd/ 4th. That's a pretty impressive result for the former, and a pretty depressing one for the former favourite.

Here's an idea. Le Pen wins, and the French have a Frexit referendum, in which they vote decisively to leave. This causes the breakup of the EU, but instead of letting the whole shabang come crashing down, the heads of Government cook up a new arrangement which is little more than a large free trade area with no institutions, no membership fees and no subsidies . They do this just before Brexit happens and we (and the French) join the new organisation as full members and everyone lives happily ever after........ Every nightmare has a silver lining.
This would be a more complex, convoluted and less functional version of the EU.

In other words, this is silver nitrate lining.

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Yes, she should... However cartesianism is of French origin the French voters are not always fully rational.
That's true of every crowd, and not really a speciality of Frenchs voter
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What did I learn from this first round?

1. The worst doesn't always happen.

2. Once again it appears that the canard that polls systematically underestimate populist currents is just that: a canard. There was no "hidden Le Pen vote".

3. 50% of voters voted for nonsensical economical plans.

4. Mélenchon is a sore loser and a *****.

5. Le Pen is still the same old deplorable. She said in her speech: "La première étape qui doit conduire les Français à l’Elysée est franchie." As if the other candidates or the previous presidents were not "real" French, or did not represent "real" French people.

6. The legislative elections will be quite interesting.
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2. Once again it appears that the canard that polls systematically underestimate populist currents is just that: a canard. There was no "hidden Le Pen vote".
I think that the real answer here is "it depends on the populist and country". French people are not ashamed to say they're for LePen any more. This does not necessarily mean Germans are not ashamed to say they're for AfD. This could be true or false.

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That's good, especially if he is seen as such. If he manages to discredit the left-wing populists France is that much safer.

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Far better option then any other French got.
True. However his austerity agenda is essentially Hollande 2.0 with a new paintjob. He's not a popular man in France, and is only getting good press because Le Pen's the alternative. Once that's gone, everyone will turn on him.
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If Le Pen does not win, France is done.
In what way? I don't think Europe's ever going to actully be a country, so how would France be 'done'?
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What I wouldn't give to be able to hop in a time machine with you so we could go check out France in 50 years under the two different scenarios.

I think I could turn most white liberals into out and out fascist ultra-racists in 5 minutes flat with such a device.
First of all, it might actually turn you into a liberal again, since you admit you don't know what the result would be.

Second, reality being one way doesn't necessarily change people's principles, since those are based on how people would like reality to be.
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What are her chances in the 2nd round?
A bit like Trump; I'd give Macron more chances, but don't count her out.
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Here's an idea. Le Pen wins, and the French have a Frexit referendum, in which they vote decisively to leave. This causes the breakup of the EU, but instead of letting the whole shabang come crashing down, the heads of Government cook up a new arrangement which is little more than a large free trade area with no institutions, no membership fees and no subsidies . They do this just before Brexit happens and we (and the French) join the new organisation as full members and everyone lives happily ever after........
Oh, you dreamer, you.
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True. However his austerity agenda is essentially Hollande 2.0 with a new paintjob. He's not a popular man in France, and is only getting good press because Le Pen's the alternative. Once that's gone, everyone will turn on him.
Frankly, France does need some changes. Greece is definitely nothing to follow. Also you forgot that he beat other candidates including from left...
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A bit like Trump; I'd give Macron more chances, but don't count her out.
Yeah, no. Again, polling errors exist but Macron leads Le Pen by 26 points in runoff polls. This isn't Clinton up 2-3 on Trump or Remain leading by 1-2. There would have to be a significant event to overcome that deficit.
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Frankly, France does need some changes. Greece is definitely nothing to follow. Also you forgot that he beat other candidates including from left...
Indeed, Greece is nothing to follow, particularly sadistic austerity regimens which have gutted their GDP and saddled them with an unsustainable debt load. Hell, even the IMF have all but admitted that Austerity has failed.
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Yeah, no. Again, polling errors exist but Macron leads Le Pen by 26 points in runoff polls. This isn't Clinton up 2-3 on Trump or Remain leading by 1-2. There would have to be a significant event to overcome that deficit.
Most US polls put Clinton's chances to win at ridiculously high percentages. I don't think Le Pen will win but don't count her out just yet.
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Most US polls put Clinton's chances to win at ridiculously high percentages. I don't think Le Pen will win but don't count her out just yet.
And she did win the popular vote. The distribution of votes in a system designed to appease slave owners was her downfall. Don't confuse polling numbers with predictions.
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I think that the real answer here is "it depends on the populist and country". French people are not ashamed to say they're for LePen any more. This does not necessarily mean Germans are not ashamed to say they're for AfD. This could be true or false.
May well be.

Here in Belgium the far-right Vlaams Belang was difficult to poll in the nineties (when it was called Vlaams Blok). But in more recent elections the polls were as accurate for them as for the other parties.
Still, their supporters on Twitter and elsewhere always claim that they will outperform the polls because reasons.
Same in France, polling of the FN has been rather good in recent elections, with the obvious exception of 2002.

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That's good, especially if he is seen as such. If he manages to discredit the left-wing populists France is that much safer.

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Yes, that may be a positive outcome of his current asinine position.
He may still change his mind though. If he doesn't, I don't see how he will manage in the second round of the legislative elections. Even his communist allies (well, "allies") have explicitly called to vote for Macron.
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And she did win the popular vote.
You'd think the polls would take that into consideration, since the EC system has been in place forever.

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Her extra votes were in states she already won. One may also say that her inability to swing states in her favour was her downfall.

But this has been addressed before: small non-slave states also benefit from the electoral college.
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Indeed, Greece is nothing to follow, particularly sadistic austerity regimens which have gutted their GDP and saddled them with an unsustainable debt load. Hell, even the IMF have all but admitted that Austerity has failed.
Those "sadistic" measures where critical to actually prevent Greece from following Argentina and Zimbabwe at the same time! And the only reason for anything failing is, that IMF and Eurozone weren't more strict with Greece. They were too lenient.

Greece is total and absurd mess of their own creation with so many insanities that it is small wonder they were able to cheat accounting standards for so long before reality caught up with them!

Stop blaming everybody else for Greeks own idiocy! It is their own mess and if it weren't for outside help (with conditions made to ensure actually survivable of Greece), they would by now be just black hole with nothing left but remnants of failed third-world country,
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Yes, that may be a positive outcome of his current asinine position.
He may still change his mind though. If he doesn't, I don't see how he will manage in the second round of the legislative elections. Even his communist allies (well, "allies") have explicitly called to vote for Macron.
Well, Hitler had one good positive side. He discredited far-right candidates for many, many decades after his death. It's a real pity Stalin (or Lenin) didn't have the same effect on the far-left, Greece would be better off right now if he did.

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Old 24th April 2017, 10:22 AM   #197
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Originally Posted by Klimax View Post
She should sufficiently scare everybody sane to vote in 2nd round against her.
NPR reporting agrees with you but they are not predicting as such. Remember November !!!
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Originally Posted by Klimax View Post
Those "sadistic" measures where critical to actually prevent Greece from following Argentina and Zimbabwe at the same time! And the only reason for anything failing is, that IMF and Eurozone weren't more strict with Greece. They were too lenient.

Greece is total and absurd mess of their own creation with so many insanities that it is small wonder they were able to cheat accounting standards for so long before reality caught up with them!

Stop blaming everybody else for Greeks own idiocy! It is their own mess and if it weren't for outside help (with conditions made to ensure actually survivable of Greece), they would by now be just black hole with nothing left but remnants of failed third-world country,
And long, long ago they seemed to be "top of the world ma!!!"s!!!
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Fillon has just endorsed Macron for the second round. This will make things difficult for Le Pen.
Is it just me or does Macron sound like the name of a Saturday morning cartoon space adventure bad guy?????????
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Is it just me or does Macron sound like the name of a Saturday morning cartoon space adventure bad guy?????????
Macron is Tony Blair 2.0, and we both know how he turned out

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