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Old 1st November 2019, 12:18 PM   #2161
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Aren't all elections the choice between the perceived lesser of two evils? .....
No. I voted for Bill Clinton and Obama without thinking that.

In hindsight, Bill's behavior might have made it the lesser of two evils.
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Old 1st November 2019, 12:56 PM   #2162
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
No. I voted for Bill Clinton and Obama without thinking that.

In hindsight, Bill's behavior might have made it the lesser of two evils.
I never ever cast a vote for President thinking that way. They may have not been my first choice, but I never thought them as evil at the time of voting. I thought Bill slept around, but I could care less about that.


I get what you mean in hindsight. I also did not agree with many of his actually very conservative policies like his drug laws, don't ask, don't tell, getting rid of Glass Steagal.
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Old 1st November 2019, 02:37 PM   #2163
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It is not an issue.

If a winning Presidential candidate dies or becomes incapacitated between the counting of electoral votes in Congress and the inauguration, the Vice President elect will become President, Section 3 of the 20th Amendment.

Oh yes! Wow, those founders really thought of everything l! (Thatís a joke!)


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People don't get this but when we vote for President and Vice President we are actually voting for a slate of electors from the respective States to cast votes for President and VP.
Why donít people get this? I mean, I have known this since what you call high school, but everyone else has seen at least two good examples in recent history of the electoral college and popular vote going different ways. They should have worked it out by now.
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Old 1st November 2019, 02:58 PM   #2164
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Oh yes! Wow, those founders really thought of everything l! (That’s a joke!)
Good one!


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Why don’t people get this? I mean, I have known this since what you call high school, but everyone else has seen at least two good examples in recent history of the electoral college and popular vote going different ways. They should have worked it out by now.
I mean sure, informed people get it. Someone who took and wasn't sleeping during Civics class gets it. But my experience is most people understand that there are electoral votes, they don't know the process.
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Old 1st November 2019, 03:12 PM   #2165
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Beto has dropped out!!!!
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Old 1st November 2019, 03:17 PM   #2166
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Beto has dropped out!!!!
Good. Can he run for the Senate or the House?
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Old 1st November 2019, 03:20 PM   #2167
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Great. And Harris is pulling everything to Iowa, which she will lose and then she can drop out.
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Old 1st November 2019, 03:26 PM   #2168
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Good. Can he run for the Senate or the House?
I suspect that running against Comyn is something he has in mind.....
On the other hand, I think he is a definant VEEP possibility.
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Old 1st November 2019, 03:27 PM   #2169
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Roberto O'Rourke is just the thing.
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Old 1st November 2019, 05:20 PM   #2170
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Beto has dropped out!!!!
NOOOOOO!!!!!! My life is ruined!!! And now who's going to convince the gun owners that they should peacefully give up their guns?
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Old 1st November 2019, 05:21 PM   #2171
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Unless Mayor Pete knocks it out of the park tonight, can we just go with Biden? Let's not risk four more years of the Stupid Bitch in Chief unless there's an heir apparent to Obama who comes out of this dinner. Let's not forget the main goal here. Biden is three points ahead of Trump in ******* Texas. Eyes on the prize people. Let's not risk four more years on Medicare for all.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6818.html
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Old 1st November 2019, 05:28 PM   #2172
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
Unless Mayor Pete knocks it out of the park tonight, can we just go with Biden? Let's not risk four more years of the Stupid Bitch in Chief unless there's an heir apparent to Obama who comes out of this dinner. Let's not forget the main goal here. Biden is three points ahead of Trump in ******* Texas. Eyes on the prize people. Let's not risk four more years on Medicare for all.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6818.html
Some of us see it differently, don't risk 4 more years of Trump on old uninspiring creepy Joe. The numbers in your link look depressing.


I would go for a third choice at the moment if one emerges. But if not, I'd vote Warren over Biden.

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Old 1st November 2019, 05:45 PM   #2173
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Unless Mayor Pete knocks it out of the park tonight, can we just go with Biden? Let's not risk four more years of the Stupid Bitch in Chief unless there's an heir apparent to Obama who comes out of this dinner. Let's not forget the main goal here. Biden is three points ahead of Trump in ******* Texas. Eyes on the prize people. Let's not risk four more years on Medicare for all.

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Some of us see it differently, don't risk 4 more years of Trump on old uninspiring creepy Joe. The numbers in your link look depressing.


I would go for a third choice at the moment if one emerges. But if not, I'd vote Warren over Biden.
It's a mistake to look at a poll today and believe that has any relevance to what a poll would look like a year from now. Joe was leading in Iowa by 10 points just a few months ago. Latest poll there has him in 4th place.
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Old 1st November 2019, 05:46 PM   #2174
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Some of us see it differently, don't risk 4 more years of Trump on old uninspiring creepy Joe. The numbers in your link look depressing.


I would go for a third choice at the moment if one emerges. But if not, I'd vote Warren over Biden.
But would an independent voter in the general election?
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Old 1st November 2019, 05:47 PM   #2175
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It's a mistake to look at a poll today and believe that has any relevance to what a poll would look like a year from now. Joe was leading in Iowa by 10 points just a few months ago. Latest poll there has him in 4th place.
4th place among whom, likely democratic caucus goers? Who cares. How do they fair against Trump in a general election? That's the only poll that counts.
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Old 1st November 2019, 05:54 PM   #2176
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Unless Mayor Pete knocks it out of the park tonight, can we just go with Biden? Let's not risk four more years of the Stupid Bitch in Chief unless there's an heir apparent to Obama who comes out of this dinner. Let's not forget the main goal here. Biden is three points ahead of Trump in ******* Texas. Eyes on the prize people. Let's not risk four more years on Medicare for all.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6818.html
I was feeling that way for a while too. If it meant the greatest chance of defeating Trump, I would be happy to have Biden as a "generic Democrat" President to act as a rubber stamp for the Dems in Congress and to appoint liberal Justices to the Supreme Court.

I am lately having serious doubts about Bidens' ability to complete the race, however.

I think his age may catch up to him too quickly to make it to the finish line ( which is all we really need him to do ).

Buttigieg has been presenting himself as a reasonable proxy for Biden, yet I have concerns about his chances after the hypothetical big kiss he would be planting on his husbands' mouth on stage at the convention after winning the nomination.

Ironically, that brings me "down" to the candidate that I actually prefer for POTUS- Warren.
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Old 1st November 2019, 06:04 PM   #2177
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Really, and be honest, who has seen this anything but a Warren/Biden race for months now?
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Old 1st November 2019, 06:13 PM   #2178
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Really, and be honest, who has seen this anything but a Warren/Biden race for months now?
Not a lot surprises me anymore. I can imagine a scenario where Biden sinks like a stone. That may already be underway actually.

I've been sort of hoping that would happen, and that Jay Inslee, or Beto (before he went on the fritz), or Booker, or Klobuchar, or Bennet would rise up.
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Old 1st November 2019, 06:14 PM   #2179
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But would an independent voter in the general election?
We don't know yet.

Biden is on PBS right now giving the standard Democratic Platform and claiming (of course) that's he's the only one who can blah blah blah blah...

He claims Warren is making the healthcare numbers up, then he goes on to make his own numbers up as if it's a different thing.

As this gets closer to voting, Biden is going to be attacking Warren and pretending Bernie's OK if Bernie isn't a threat at that point.

Gag, he has his hands on a young girl's shoulders again. He looks like he's about to kiss her hair.

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Beto isn't running for Senate either.

Looks like the campaign against Cruz took the wind out of him a little.
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Old 1st November 2019, 06:45 PM   #2181
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Gag, he has his hands on a young girl's shoulders again. He looks like he's about to kiss her hair.
Good God, what's wrong with him? A stubborn refusal to change his ways no matter what his campaign advisors tell him about how it appears? Or does he listen to them but keep forgetting their advice?
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Old 1st November 2019, 06:47 PM   #2182
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Beto isn't running for Senate either.

Looks like the campaign against Cruz took the wind out of him a little.
Carrots! Oh thank goodness, I finally figured out why I always think of carrots when reading about Beto: I'm thinking of beta carotene. It was in my subconscious the whole time. Whew. That's a relief, it was peculiar.
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Not a lot surprises me anymore. I can imagine a scenario where Biden sinks like a stone. That may already be underway actually.

I've been sort of hoping that would happen, and that Jay Inslee, or Beto (before he went on the fritz), or Booker, or Klobuchar, or Bennet would rise up.
Inslee is my governor and I like him. But I thought he never had a chance. He's so dull he makes Al Gore seem like Robin Williams.
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Good God, what's wrong with him? A stubborn refusal to change his ways no matter what his campaign advisors tell him about how it appears? Or does he listen to them but keep forgetting their advice?
I suspect he doesn't believe people when they tell him it's an issue.
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Got it. Thanks.

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... (1) drip drip drip of hacked emails down the stretch ...
Which, in my view, was directly attributable to the Rooskies. I have no doubt those same hackers will be at it again, only with more sophistication. There'll be fake pictures and videos that will smear the Dem candidate and be hard to refute once they're all over the GOP echo chamber.

Finally, it is a 100% dead certainty that Dump won't do a damn thing about it.
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By your definition of "unelectable" perhaps.

I will stick with my own take (which I think is not an uncommon one) that almost getting elected (otherwise described as "losing") over the weakest candidate your opponents have ever run is more evidence of un-electability than electability. Especially in the context of this discussion.
Remember, there were at least two factors well outside of HRC's control that affected the election including (per varwoche), the email scandal that the Russians conducted and the utter incompetence of Comey. Neither of those factors plus others can be used to establish her inherent electabiliy.
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Another possibility is that the Senate votes to dismiss the articles of impeachment, and there's no trial. Wouldn't it be weird of some of the candidates voted to dismiss, so they could stay on the campaign trail instead?
Can they actually do that. A jury can't hear a case then tell the judge, "Nope, not gonna decide this one."

With Moscow Mitch in the wheelhouse, it is possible that he would drag the whole thing out as long as possible for that very reason. On the other hand, what's to prevent Sanders and Warren telling Mitch their vote is Yes and just hit the campaign trail.
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If Donald Trump can do the the job, then probably any Acting President could do the job.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
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I suspect that running against Comyn is something he has in mind.....
On the other hand, I think he is a definant VEEP possibility.
Gawd, I hope not. From where I sit, he's an empty suit.
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Can they actually do that. A jury can't hear a case then tell the judge, "Nope, not gonna decide this one."

With Moscow Mitch in the wheelhouse, it is possible that he would drag the whole thing out as long as possible for that very reason. On the other hand, what's to prevent Sanders and Warren telling Mitch their vote is Yes and just hit the campaign trail.
Because the Senate rules wouldn't allow that. And I really doubt Mitch wants to drag this out.
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He doesn't care about the Senate's rules. He writes the schedule, so anything he doesn't want to deal with doesn't get on the schedule.
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Joe Manchin seems to be leaning towards Trump if it comes down to Sanders vs. Trump. He hesitated nervously on television for a couple seconds there.

How very very sad. It's voters like him who ruin our chances.
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He doesn't care about the Senate's rules. He writes the schedule, so anything he doesn't want to deal with doesn't get on the schedule.

There are very specific rules on impeachment. This isn't some bill he can bury. There will be at least an attempt to have the process look fair. My guess, is that Mitch will try to have the process go as quickly as possible to put it in the rearview mirror.
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There are very specific rules on impeachment. This isn't some bill he can bury. There will be at least an attempt to have the process look fair. My guess, is that Mitch will try to have the process go as quickly as possible to put it in the rearview mirror.
At some point a SCOTUS judge will oversee the procedure, not McConnell. It will probably be Roberts.

I hope the Democrats challenge the bribing of the Senators.

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We ain't seen nuthin' yet.
Small note - You said "start." But yeah, they're fairly certainly going to keep ramping it up and accusing socialism of the ills that totalitarianism brings. The ills that race supremacy brings. The ills that they're bringing.

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I suspect he doesn't believe people when they tell him it's an issue.
He's also rather aged. Chances are far too good that it's not especially easy for him to change some of his ingrained habits.

Anyways... I think I'll poke at a couple things here.

How Health Insurance Industry Will Lie and Attack Liz Warrenís Medicare for All, by Wendell Potter

There's a number of rather specific predictions from a person who was in a position to know the tactics, by the look of it.

Democratic Party launches unity campaign a year ahead of 2020 elections

It's good that they're doing this, regardless!
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Trump says Beto O'Rourke 'quit like a dog'


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US President Donald Trump has ridiculed Beto O'Rourke just hours after the Democratic presidential hopeful ended his campaign.

The president used a profanity to describe his rival and said he "quit like a dog".
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Mr Trump's response came days after he said Islamic State (IS) leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi had "died like a dog" during a US military operation in north-western Syria.
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Like a "perfect" dog?
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Old 2nd November 2019, 07:43 AM   #2198
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
At some point a SCOTUS judge will oversee the procedure, not McConnell. It will probably be Roberts.

I hope the Democrats challenge the bribing of the Senators.
I think the Chief Justice presiding is mandated by the Constitution, so definitely Roberts.

In other news, I am having a very hard time getting interested in this campaign. It's still a year to the election, after all, but mostly I'm just not able to generate much enthusiasm for the candidates.

I think last cycle at this time I was live-blogging the R debates on the forum!
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Old 2nd November 2019, 07:43 AM   #2199
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
At some point a SCOTUS judge will oversee the procedure, not McConnell. It will probably be Roberts.

I hope the Democrats challenge the bribing of the Senators.
No, it WILL BE ROBERTS. That is unless he gets hit by a truck. The impeachment trial is presided over by the Chief Justice.

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What does Trump have against dogs?
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