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Old 19th September 2019, 07:59 AM   #1
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US Navy Acknowledges Unidentified Aerial Phenomena/DoD confirms leaked video is real

It seems a series of classified US Navy videos have been leaked over time showing purported UFO's (which the Navy has reclassified as Unidentified Aerial Phenomena). Probably a more accurate term since most people seem to think the term UFO means alien spacecraft which is not the case it just means something unidentified appears to be airborn.

To be clear I do not believe whatever the Navy films show are alien spacecraft. Regardless if the phenomenon can be identified or will remain undetermined it is an interesting turn of events.

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The US Navy has for the first time confirmed that a set of eerie, grainy videos that appear to show UFOs flying through the sky are indeed real – and contain phenomena the military still cannot identify.

The sensational footage in question – which began appearing in media outlets including The New York Times from December 2017 onward – was captured by US Navy pilots ...
https://www.sciencealert.com/us-navy...eant-to-see-it
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Old 19th September 2019, 08:03 AM   #2
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The good ol' "highly trained observers" line. Gets 'em every time.
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Old 19th September 2019, 08:18 AM   #3
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Let's all agree that the flash of light they saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Let's all agree that the flash of light they saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.
In front of the full moon.
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In front of the full moon.
but with aliens
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but with aliens
Isn't there a bridge somewhere missing you?
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Old 19th September 2019, 07:48 PM   #7
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To be clear I do not believe whatever the Navy films show are alien spacecraft.
It is important to check the provenance of every video as forged Navy videos have been swapped for the real videos.

Tom Delonge ( ex-Blink 182 rock band), Chris Mellon and Luis Elzondo set up an entertainment company called "To the Stars Academy" which produced a "UFO's are real" TV show, currently on the History Channel, called "Unidentified". They are trying to gain publicity.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10016814

They are trying to raise $30,000,000 from UFO fans to make more shows.
https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...ular_FINAL.pdf

The "Navy videos" handed to the New York Times in 2017 were not from the Navy at all all, but enhanced forgeries handed over by three blokes in a hotel room.

Harold Puthoff (Who did not work for the CIA as claimed. Instead he was a Scientologist and destroyed by James Randi for stating Uri Geller has remote viewing skills at Stanford University, when in fact the CIA closed "Stargate" as a complete failure. Harold Puthoff was running his UFO chasing business, using remote viewing, Earth Tech International and seeking donations until this business failed.)

Chris Mellon (Who is actually a director of the private UFO chasing company, UFO DATA and not a government employee at all. He was also seeking donation to chase UFOs.)
http://www.ufodata.net/

Luis Elizondo.

It is actually a con, to take in money using the new vehicle "To the Stars Academy".
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It would be irrational to suggest that there have never been any objects that remained unidentified.
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Old 20th September 2019, 12:27 PM   #9
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Old 23rd September 2019, 08:07 AM   #10
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From viewing the Tercer Millenia program with a highly critical eye, which has been featuring that same video as valid government footage, I had to doubt.

I knew military pilots. They aren't believing in stuff they can't kill. The mindset is different than portrayed.

What I came to ' lean toward ' was a video of something being misinterpreted, by someone who didn't understand how thermal imaging captures stuff. What it doesn't ' see ' is the craft in its full size. It sees the hot spots, the engine.

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Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard View Post
It is important to check the provenance of every video as forged Navy videos have been swapped for the real videos.

Tom Delonge ( ex-Blink 182 rock band), Chris Mellon and Luis Elzondo set up an entertainment company called "To the Stars Academy" which produced a "UFO's are real" TV show, currently on the History Channel, called "Unidentified". They are trying to gain publicity.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10016814

They are trying to raise $30,000,000 from UFO fans to make more shows.
https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...ular_FINAL.pdf

The "Navy videos" handed to the New York Times in 2017 were not from the Navy at all all, but enhanced forgeries handed over by three blokes in a hotel room.

Harold Puthoff (Who did not work for the CIA as claimed. Instead he was a Scientologist and destroyed by James Randi for stating Uri Geller has remote viewing skills at Stanford University, when in fact the CIA closed "Stargate" as a complete failure. Harold Puthoff was running his UFO chasing business, using remote viewing, Earth Tech International and seeking donations until this business failed.)

Chris Mellon (Who is actually a director of the private UFO chasing company, UFO DATA and not a government employee at all. He was also seeking donation to chase UFOs.)
http://www.ufodata.net/

Luis Elizondo.

It is actually a con, to take in money using the new vehicle "To the Stars Academy".
BREAKING NEWS!!!!

April 2020: The Pentagon has now confirmed the Navy’s declassified UFO videos as authentic!! I would like to add the UFOs in those video were not drones.

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Old 27th April 2020, 09:20 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by MEequalsIxR View Post
It seems a series of classified US Navy videos have been leaked over time showing purported UFO's (which the Navy has reclassified as Unidentified Aerial Phenomena). Probably a more accurate term since most people seem to think the term UFO means alien spacecraft which is not the case it just means something unidentified appears to be airborn.

To be clear I do not believe whatever the Navy films show are alien spacecraft. Regardless if the phenomenon can be identified or will remain undetermined it is an interesting turn of events.



https://www.sciencealert.com/us-navy...eant-to-see-it

The UFOs exhibited advanced technology unknown to mankind.
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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
BREAKING NEWS!!!!

April 2020: The Pentagon has now confirmed the Navy’s declassified UFO videos as authentic!! I would like to add the UFOs in those video were not drones.
Just because they were not drones does not mean that they were alien spacecraft. The fact that we don't know what they were doesn't mean that we can say that we know what they were. They were unidentified. That's all we can say.

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The UFOs exhibited advanced technology unknown to mankind.
No they didn't.
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I wonder what that was! This one keeps coming back every 6 months or so. CNN just had something today
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Let's all agree that the flash of light they saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.
Is that you Alex?
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Here’s an article from The Skeptic that I bookmarked some time ago on situation:

https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room...-media-frenzy/
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As reported in the Guardian
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Old 28th April 2020, 07:56 AM   #18
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]No they didn't.
Circumstantial evidence does suggest something odd. That being no obvious heat signatures. Whether it's advanced tech unknown, who knows?
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From viewing the Tercer Millenia program with a highly critical eye, which has been featuring that same video as valid government footage, I had to doubt.

I knew military pilots. They aren't believing in stuff they can't kill. The mindset is different than portrayed.

What I came to ' lean toward ' was a video of something being misinterpreted, by someone who didn't understand how thermal imaging captures stuff. What it doesn't ' see ' is the craft in its full size. It sees the hot spots, the engine.
FLIR is rather good a capturing detail as long as the aircraft is not below the resolution limit. Beyond that limit only hotspots are onserved. One of those objects was well within the resolution limit.

For example.
http://https://youtu.be/5E7onF1c_T0

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One genuinely interesting thing I read about these videos, but can't now find, discussed the glowing central object, which looks plausibly like some optical flare caused by its target being bright, but which curiously revolves at times. The suggestion was that this rotation was an artefact of the sensor, which sometimes rotates in order to swivel to the right orientation to track its target. Can anyone else recall that? Pretty sure it was at least linked from here.
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One genuinely interesting thing I read about these videos, but can't now find, discussed the glowing central object, which looks plausibly like some optical flare caused by its target being bright, but which curiously revolves at times. The suggestion was that this rotation was an artefact of the sensor, which sometimes rotates in order to swivel to the right orientation to track its target. Can anyone else recall that? Pretty sure it was at least linked from here.
There's a number of threads on Metabunk regarding this footage, including the rotating sensor.
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Looks like a garage dwelling dragon to me - the non invisible kind. They have to change garages at times.
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Circumstantial evidence does suggest something odd. That being no obvious heat signatures. Whether it's advanced tech unknown, who knows?
The evidence shows no technology of any kind, just unidentifiable blurs. That there should be heat signatures is an unjustified assumption. That what we are seeing is even odd is an unjustified assumption.

This is why these ended up in the "unidentified" category. Unidentified by definition means that we can't know what properties whatever we are seeing has.
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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
The UFOs exhibited advanced technology unknown to mankind.
Are you talking about this?:-

Pentagon releases three UFO videos taken by US navy pilots
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The three videos show what the pilots saw during training flights in 2004 and 2015... Two navy fighter pilots found an oblong object hovering above the water. It then flew quickly away. “It accelerated like nothing I’ve ever seen,” one of pilots, Cmdr David Fravor, told the NYT.
Whenever you see this, you know that the 'object' is just reflected light.

I have seen an actual UFO close up, when I was child. The whole class saw it including the teacher. It was reported in the local newspaper with a drawing done by a friend of mine, and even reported to the Air force for Project Bluebook. I wasn't present at the time, but I did see it later. And yes, it was just a normal (man made, not alien) aircraft. How did I know it was the same craft? My friend's drawing was surprisingly accurate for a 7 year old, so it was instantly recognizable to someone who knew what that aircraft looked like.

Similarly, to someone who knows what a normal light (such as the sun or fishing lights) can look like when reflected off clouds or water etc., 'It accelerated like nothing I’ve ever seen' is instantly recognizable as an accurate description of the effect. No need to make up stories about an 'advanced technology unknown to mankind'!
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The evidence shows no technology of any kind, just unidentifiable blurs. That there should be heat signatures is an unjustified assumption. That what we are seeing is even odd is an unjustified assumption.

This is why these ended up in the "unidentified" category. Unidentified by definition means that we can't know what properties whatever we are seeing has.
I did not say anything you assume. I said circumstances seem odd.
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I did not say anything you assume. I said circumstances seem odd.
But odd according to what standard? Odd for an aircraft? Or odd for a trick of the light? They are two very different things.
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Those military sensors picked up something that is unexplainable. I don't see how it's reflected light or anything ordinary like that -I think the military could have figured it out by now if it was. They look like objects. They do strange things.

I am not, by any stretch, saying they are aliens. But they are something. What?
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Those military sensors picked up something that is unexplainable. I don't see how it's reflected light or anything ordinary like that -I think the military could have figured it out by now if it was. They look like objects. They do strange things.

I am not, by any stretch, saying they are aliens. But they are something. What?
No-one knows. The military's best experts have come up stumped. I doubt it would even be possible to find out what they were given the paucity of evidence.

Therefore absolutely no conclusions can be drawn. None. We can speculate as much as we like, but they will remain unknown.

And that's okay.
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FLIR is rather good a capturing detail as long as the aircraft is not below the resolution limit. Beyond that limit only hotspots are onserved. One of those objects was well within the resolution limit.
Which one?
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Which one?
The only vid I'm referring to is the one where [i]t is described as a "Tictac". Specifically the part of the vid which shows the object in close proximity.


http://https://youtu.be/60ZJQ4I7_3M
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But odd according to what standard? Odd for an aircraft? Or odd for a trick of the light? They are two very different things.
The standard that it does not resemble any known aircraft. Keep in mind the pilot described it as resembling a "Tictac". Perhaps it's some experimental aircraft.
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Those military sensors picked up something that is unexplainable. I don't see how it's reflected light or anything ordinary like that -I think the military could have figured it out by now if it was. They look like objects. They do strange things.

I am not, by any stretch, saying they are aliens. But they are something. What?
Unexplained, not unexplainable.
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Watched all three clips and my reaction is, so what? I don't see anything exotic, I don't see any reference points to judge size or distance, I don't see any inexplicable behaviour. I just see three poor quality video clips with some indeterminate shape in them. Yes they are UFOs, because there is insufficient detail in the videos to determine anything about them.
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The most frustrating thing about that video for me is the unexplained jumble of info it contains, parts of which may or may not be related to each other. We see the bright "spinning top" shaped thing, which sometimes rotates. Okay, that seems plausibly like an object that's bright in infrared, like a plane's exhaust, which flares out the camera, and the rotation is in the camera, not the target. But we also hear the aircrew discussing an object: are they talking about the same thing we're seeing or something else? Is the audio even contemporary with the video? They talk about a whole fleet of objects; we don't see that. We do see a cut to a wide view down towards the sea, but what's that showing us and what camera is it?
I can't tell if the "spinning top" which ufo fans are so excited about is actually the least significant part of the whole clip. For all I know it might be a friendly aircraft they're tracking and the tictac discussion is about something else they're looking at.
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The most frustrating thing about that video for me is the unexplained jumble of info it contains, parts of which may or may not be related to each other. We see the bright "spinning top" shaped thing, which sometimes rotates. Okay, that seems plausibly like an object that's bright in infrared, like a plane's exhaust, which flares out the camera, and the rotation is in the camera, not the target. But we also hear the aircrew discussing an object: are they talking about the same thing we're seeing or something else? Is the audio even contemporary with the video? They talk about a whole fleet of objects; we don't see that. We do see a cut to a wide view down towards the sea, but what's that showing us and what camera is it?
I can't tell if the "spinning top" which ufo fans are so excited about is actually the least significant part of the whole clip. For all I know it might be a friendly aircraft they're tracking and the tictac discussion is about something else they're looking at.
See this interview. Apparently the pilots are all referring to the "tictac" shaped object. Please don't assume I'm endorsing his final speculation. Just in case that came to mind http://https://youtu.be/EDj9ZZQY2kA

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See this interview. Apparently the pilots are all referring to the "tictac" shaped object. Please don't assume I'm endorsing his final speculation. Just in case that came to mind http://https://youtu.be/EDj9ZZQY2kA
Well, it's an intriguing story but the manoeuvres he describes aren't performed by whatever that thing is in the video.
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Well, it's an intriguing story but the manoeuvres he describes aren't performed by whatever that thing is in the video.
Yeah in two of the clips the 'object' doesn't seem to do much and in the third it just moves in a straight line, there's nothing extraordinary on show. All the video proves is they saw something on their display. I suspect the USAF kept it secret to avoid revealing any possible performance issues with the equipment.
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See this interview. Apparently the pilots are all referring to the "tictac" shaped object. Please don't assume I'm endorsing his final speculation. Just in case that came to mind http://https://youtu.be/EDj9ZZQY2kA
When I read about impossible (at least for known aircraft) accelerations or velocities, I'm much more inclined to see that as a sign that whatever was seen wasn't real (optical illusion if visual, instrumental artifact of some kind if radar or other instruments), than I am to think that it is the result of some extraterrestrial supertech.
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See this interview. Apparently the pilots are all referring to the "tictac" shaped object. Please don't assume I'm endorsing his final speculation. Just in case that came to mind http://https://youtu.be/EDj9ZZQY2kA
The video I saw, had an idiot said they are going against the wind... the dumbest thing to say when we are flying. Aircraft fly in the air. Who said against the wind.
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The UFOs exhibited advanced technology unknown to mankind.
And what was that? That is funny, there is no evidence for that BS.

What advanced technology?
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