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Old 5th May 2020, 04:43 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
Anyone who claims the objects in the UFO videos were faked or a result of a problem with the aircraft's tracking systems are definitely mistaken to say the least.
Why does the fact that the objects are unknown convince you that you know what they are?
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Old 5th May 2020, 04:52 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I do not believe that ever happened.
UFO incursions over military bases are nothing new and similar to the Navy's incidents. The UFOs the Navy encountered have been occurring around the world for decades. What are the UFOs the the Navy and Air Force encountered over the decades? We can take a look back to the Air Force's EOTS report, Wright-Patterson AFB, which concluded the objects in question are "Interplanetary Spaceships." Makes one wonder about the U.S. Army's admission on the existence of its Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit (IPU), which was augmented by Project Moon Dust and Operation Blue Fly. Here are some just a few examples of thousands of UFO encounters.

Malmstrom AFB UFO

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/imag...4a10c214d8.gif

Minot AFB UFO

RAPCON alerted the pilots to the location of a UFO, which the B-52 navigator observed on the radarscope maintaining a three-mile distance throughout a standard 180° turnaround. As the B-52 started its descent back to Minot AFB, the UFO appeared to close distance to one mile at a high-rate of speed, pacing the aircraft for nearly 20 miles before disappearing off the radarscope. Both B-52 UHF radios would not transmit during the close radar encounter with the UFO and radarscope film was recorded.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/imag...1216a7ed6d.gif

https://minotb52ufo.com/

https://minotb52ufo.com/introduction.php


National Security Agency (NSA) Presents DoD UFO documents

Note: This UFO incident went to all the way to the White House.

https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/70/docum...aff_report.pdf


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Old 5th May 2020, 04:55 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
UFO incursions over military bases are nothing news and similar to the Navy's incidents.
You mean people seeing things that they can't identify? Yeah, that happens all the time. The mistake is in drawing unwarranted conclusions about what they are, and military personnel are no more immune to making that mistake as anyone else is.
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Old 5th May 2020, 06:04 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Why does the fact that the objects are unknown convince you that you know what they are?

The performance capabilities of UFOS involved cannot relate to typical aircraft or balloons. The objects come in several shapes and sizes as recorded in official government documentation that are available under the FOIA.

Once it is confirmed the objects are artificial flying machines then it is just a matter of looking at the maneuvering capabilities of the objects to make a determination whether they are ours or not. Case in point:

F-16 Radar Footage of UFO Link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3geA2Jp-n0

Radar data relating to the radar footage.


Seconds after Heading Speed Altitude lock-on (degrees) (knots) (feet)

00 200 150 7000

01 200 150 7000

02 200 150 7000

03 200 150 7000

04 sharp 200 acceleration 150 6000

05 turn 270 = 22 g 560 6000

06 270 560 6000

07 270 570 6000

08 270 560 7000

09 270 550 7000

10 210 560 9000

11 210 570 10000

12 210 560 11000

13 210 570 10000

14 270 770 7000

15 270 770 6000

16 270 780 6000

17 270 790 5000

18 290 1010 4000

19 290 1000 3000

20 290 990 2000

21 290 990 1000

22 300 990 0000

22.5 300 980 0000 Break lock

The above radar footage and data makes it plain and simple that the object was an artificial flying machine object exhibiting extraordinary performance capabilities similar to what the Navy pilots reported yet such encounters have been occurring around the world for decades.
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Old 5th May 2020, 06:16 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
You mean people seeing things that they can't identify? Yeah, that happens all the time. The mistake is in drawing unwarranted conclusions about what they are, and military personnel are no more immune to making that mistake as anyone else is.
In many cases, the objects have been identified as saucer-shape, cigar-shaped or even triangular shaped flying objects. It is obvious in the videos that objects are not aircraft or balloons nor do they have wings and they do not leave behind exhaust plumes.

Here is a case that was brought up at the Air Force Academy and note the description of the object.


INTRODUCTORY SPACE SCIENCE - VOLUME II
CHAPTER XXXIII
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS
DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS - USAF
UNITED STATES AIR FORCE ACADEMY


About ten o'clock one morning, a radar site near a fighter base picked up a UFO doing 700 mph. The UFO then slowed to 100 mph, and two F-86's were scrambled to intercept. Eventually one F-86 closed on the UFO at about 3,000 feet altitude. The UFO began to accelerate away but the pilot still managed to get within 500 yards of the target for a short period of time. It was definitely saucer-shaped. As the pilot pushed the F-86 at top speed, the UFO began to pull away. When the range reached 1,000 yards, the pilot armed his guns and fired in an attempt to down the saucer. He failed, and the UFO pulled away rapidly, vanishing in the distance.
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Old 5th May 2020, 06:25 PM   #86
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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
To put it mildly, the person I spoke with was one of the missile commanders whose Minuteman missiles were affected.
You previously claimed the ICBMs were "dismantled" in this very thread. As previously disclosed in the other thread, you were a F4 mechanic less than 23 years old, had nothing to do with ICBMs and claiming an ICBM commander told you a rumour that UFOs dismantled the USA's ICBMs....yet the USA kept the same ICBMs that you pretend UFOs could dismantle. You then quit the USAF to become a UFO researcher. You then claimed the UFO's dismantling the ICBMs was from a Russian magazine and that the UFOs also stole the "nuclear codes".

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=616

That's not a very realistic fantasy is it?
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Old 5th May 2020, 06:27 PM   #87
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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
In many cases, the objects have been identified as saucer-shape, cigar-shaped or even triangular shaped flying objects. It is obvious in the videos that objects are not aircraft or balloons nor do they have wings and they do not leave behind exhaust plumes.
It hasn't even been established that they are "objects" at all.
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Old 6th May 2020, 12:25 AM   #88
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
It hasn't even been established that they are "objects" at all.
In the sense that they can be conclusively identified as material, and both seen AND touched, no.

However, the term "object" has been ingrained in the UFO definition for so long now, that for the purposes of general description, it is fine.

I personally prefer the term UAP, where "phenomena" is used instead of "object", and that covers everything, but it is going to take much longer before that term replaces the latter in everyday parlance.
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Old 6th May 2020, 02:15 AM   #89
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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
… Once it is confirmed the objects are artificial flying machines then it is just a matter of looking at the maneuvering capabilities of the objects to make a determination whether they are ours or not. Case in point:

F-16 Radar Footage of UFO Link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3geA2Jp-n0

Radar data relating to the radar footage.


Seconds after Heading Speed Altitude lock-on (degrees) (knots) (feet)

00 200 150 7000

01 200 150 7000

02 200 150 7000

03 200 150 7000

04 sharp 200 acceleration 150 6000

05 turn 270 = 22 g 560 6000

06 270 560 6000

07 270 570 6000

08 270 560 7000

09 270 550 7000

10 210 560 9000

11 210 570 10000

12 210 560 11000

13 210 570 10000

14 270 770 7000

15 270 770 6000

16 270 780 6000

17 270 790 5000

18 290 1010 4000

19 290 1000 3000

20 290 990 2000

21 290 990 1000

22 300 990 0000

22.5 300 980 0000 Break lock

The above radar footage and data makes it plain and simple that the object was an artificial flying machine object exhibiting extraordinary performance capabilities similar to what the Navy pilots reported yet such encounters have been occurring around the world for decades.
You've spammed these data many times over the years. You invite us to accept that it represents the movements of a real object. Several times you've been asked you if you can explain the inconsistency of why its speed is shown as subsonic while its rate of climb alone is clearly supersonic. At the 9 seconds mark it climbs 4,000 feet in 3 seconds, i.e. the vertical component of its velocity is 790 knots, yet its recorded speed never exceeds 570 knots.


One must reluctantly accept that you can't explain. I infer that the numbers are garbage. Please feel free to spam your garbage numbers as often as you wish, but do not expect us to believe you have "confirmed the objects are artificial flying machines".
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None of this relates to what you were asked. Point to something in the videos that demonstrates what you originally claimed:
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The UFOs exhibited advanced technology unknown to mankind.
Seconded.
skyeagle409, please answer this specific question, and stop spamming the same, long-debunked rubbish you've posted numerous times before, again.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
You mean people seeing things that they can't identify? Yeah, that happens all the time. The mistake is in drawing unwarranted conclusions about what they are, and military personnel are no more immune to making that mistake as anyone else is.
Military pilots are trained to differentiate between aircraft types and can easily differentiate between an aircraft and a saucer-shaped flying machine, among other shapes that do not fit descriptions of conventional aircraft. The pilots also described extraordinary performance capabilities of those objects that exclude conventional aircraft and that is what sets those objects apart from conventional aircraft especially when their visual observations are corroborated by multiple radars and other tracking systems. Those cases are known as radar/visual cases, which I find very interesting because I am also a private pilot and began my flight training in December 1969 at the Hill AFB Aero Club.
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
You've spammed these data many times over the years. You invite us to accept that it represents the movements of a real object. Several times you've been asked you if you can explain the inconsistency of why its speed is shown as subsonic while its rate of climb alone is clearly supersonic. At the 9 seconds mark it climbs 4,000 feet in 3 seconds, i.e. the vertical component of its velocity is 790 knots, yet its recorded speed never exceeds 570 knots.

You have to understand that there are those who have never seen this data and that is what the radar data depicted, which was also examined by radar experts. The velocity could very well have exceeded what was recorded a second later. Case in point taken from another well-known radar/visual case.

[
What Radar Tells About Flying Saucers

Howard Cocklin, hastily called over by Zacko, also saw the bright trail. Together they figured the object's speed from its trace.

It had been making two miles per second -7,200 m.p.h.

"It was as if it had descended rapidly, almost vertically," Cocklin told me later. "That would bring it suddenly into the A.S.R. beam area. It seemed to level off for those few seconds, and then abruptly ascend out of the beam again." ]

And:

[
UFO Statement by Emile J. Schweicher,
Professor Emeritus at the Belgian Royal Military Academy


Professor Schweicher was interviewed in the German UFO documentary film, “UFOs 2000” (RTL) regarding the Brussels radar UFO incident that involved Belgian Air Force F-16 jet fighters and several radar stations on 30-31 (p.m. into a.m.) March 1990:

"... radar expert Professor Emile J. Schweicher says the following: “The UFO could make right angle turns at constant speeds. That is impossible according to our mechanical laws of motion. I don’t think it’s possible to explain away UFO incidents that involve multiple radar stations by saying that all the radars had the same malfunction at the same time. That’s highly unlikely! There exist different types of radar systems, different sorts of antennas. And the radar antennas orientation towards the UFO were all different. I’m going to get fired – but I’m of the opinion that it’s highly likely that extraterrestrial intelligence is behind the UFO phenomenon!”

Emile J. Schweicher,

Professor Emeritus (Ret.)

Royal Military Academy, Belgium]


There were those who've claimed the radar data indicated the UFO struck the ground, which was false and they made that claim without taking in the differences between MSL and ground-level. In other words, the airborned radar never tracked the UFO into the ground and I once used the elevation of Denver, Colorado using MSL and ground-level as an example how they became confused.

In addition, the statement of Professor Emile J. Schweicher, basically coincides with the following report.

[
MOTION STUDY
Maneuvered Motion and Intelligent Control


By Dewey Fournet, USAF (Ret.)

By the fall of 1952 we had a considerable number of well documented reports in which the UFO's made a series of maneuvers. If we could prove that these maneuvers were not random, but ordered, it would be proof that the UFO's were things that were intelligently controlled.

Edward J. Ruppelt, former Chief of the Air Force Project Blue Book investigation, later reported that the study was "very hot and very controversial...[it] was hot because it wasn't official and the reason it wasn't official was because it was so hot. It concluded that UFOs were interplanetary spaceships."
]

In other words, that report reconfirms the Air Force's 1948 EOTS, ATIC, Wright-Patterson AFB, which concluded that the objects are "Interplanetary Spaceships.

What the Navy pilots described and what dissimilar tracking systems depicted, provides evidence the objects the pilots encountered exhibited advanced technology not found in our technological closet.
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Seconded.
skyeagle409, please answer this specific question, and stop spamming the same, long-debunked rubbish you've posted numerous times before, again.

False claim on your part and I suggest that you to use the FOIA on the cases I have presented that prove my cases. If you are not willing to use the FOIA, then I suggest that you check out my sources and present the facts here for all to see. Are you up to the challenge?
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
It hasn't even been established that they are "objects" at all.

Yes they have, especially when given the fact that multiple dissimilar tracking systems painted the same objects which were visually confirmed. After all, who directed the pilots in the first place to the location where their own systems detected the objects?
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False claim on your part and I suggest that you to use the FOIA on the cases I have presented that prove my cases. If you are not willing to use the FOIA, then I suggest that you check out my sources and present the facts here for all to see. Are you up to the challenge?
Having done this at least three times already, and having had you run away from a fairly comprehensive dismantling of your claims every time, I am disinclined to repeat the process.
Several other posters have done the same thing, by the way, and your reaction was the same then, too.
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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
False claim on your part and I suggest that you to use the FOIA on the cases I have presented that prove my cases. If you are not willing to use the FOIA, then I suggest that you check out my sources and present the facts here for all to see. Are you up to the challenge?
Since you appear to be having trouble understanding what was asked of you. You claimed the 'objects' in the three video clips 'exhibited advanced technology unknown to mankind'.

Please indicate where in the three specific clips the 'objects' exhibited such technology?
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Since you appear to be having trouble understanding what was asked of you. You claimed the 'objects' in the three video clips 'exhibited advanced technology unknown to mankind'.

Please indicate where in the three specific clips the 'objects' exhibited such technology?

He is talking about an advanced balloon unknown to mankind
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The velocity could very well have exceeded what was recorded a second later.
<Checks data for a second later> Nope.
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Military pilots are trained to differentiate between aircraft types and can easily differentiate between an aircraft and a saucer-shaped flying machine, among other shapes that do not fit descriptions of conventional aircraft...
And yet the literature is strewn with examples of pilots misidentifying known phenomena. Sometimes with tragic results.

Riddle me this. If alien saucers are routinely buzzing Earth, why are there no clear, unambiguous images of them, especially in this day and age where everybody is carrying a high-definition camera with them in their pocket every day. Why is every claimed image of an alien spacecraft nothing but a fuzzy blur?
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But, but, but, didn't you know, Arth, that the aliens have technology which detects proper, decent pix being taken and then makes them (the aliens) invisible? And that they've shared this technology with Nessie, Bigfoot, ghosts...
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
You've spammed these data many times over the years. You invite us to accept that it represents the movements of a real object. Several times you've been asked you if you can explain the inconsistency of why its speed is shown as subsonic while its rate of climb alone is clearly supersonic. At the 9 seconds mark it climbs 4,000 feet in 3 seconds, i.e. the vertical component of its velocity is 790 knots, yet its recorded speed never exceeds 570 knots.


One must reluctantly accept that you can't explain. I infer that the numbers are garbage. Please feel free to spam your garbage numbers as often as you wish, but do not expect us to believe you have "confirmed the objects are artificial flying machines".
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Having done this at least three times already, and having had you run away from a fairly comprehensive dismantling of your claims every time, I am disinclined to repeat the process.
Several other posters have done the same thing, by the way, and your reaction was the same then, too.
If you had done so, you would have understood why I post only certain UFO case files because there would be no question as to whether those objects were ours or not.

The reason I asked you to use the FOIA in order to back my statements is because I have been aware the U.S. government has been releasing its UFO files over the years that show artificial flying objects exhibiting advanced technology unknown to mankind and it was through the FOIA the U.S. Army revealed its Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit (IPU).

Let's read what two navy admirals have been saying.


[Admiral Roscoe Henry Hillenkoetter
First Director of the CIA (1947-1950):

"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control...It is imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose is." (Source: Maccabee, Bruce, "What The Admiral Knew: UFO, MJ-12 and R. Hillenkoetter," International UFO Reporter, Nov/Dec., 1986.)


Rear Adm. D.S. Fahrney
Former Navy missile chief (circa 1956):

WASHINGTON AP - Retired Rear Adm. Delmer S. Fahrney, once head of the Navy's guided missile program, said Wednesday reliable reports indicate that "there are objects coming into our atmosphere at very high speeds. Fahrney told a news conference that "no agency in this country or Russia is able to duplicate at this time the speeds and accelerations which radar and observers indicate these flying objects are able to achieve."]


Once again, the videos show the objects are real flying machines exhibiting advanced technology unknown to mankind, no question about it.
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Since you appear to be having trouble understanding what was asked of you. You claimed the 'objects' in the three video clips 'exhibited advanced technology unknown to mankind'.

Please indicate where in the three specific clips the 'objects' exhibited such technology?
I have answered questions on many occasions but it seems there are those who are more interested in debunking UFOs despite the evidence to the contrary, which brings to mind a confrontation I had with a top UFO debunker in the country, Tim Printy.

Tim and I, had heated exchanges years ago regarding the Roswell incident and he too, refused to take my responses seriously despite the evidence, so he blocked me from further discussion. I then decided to carry on in another forum with another UFO skeptic known as; 'access-denied.' When our debate became heated, he ran and brought back Tim Printy into the frying pan. Here is a short recap of what happened, which resulted in Tim making a correction on his own website after our exchange.

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http://members.aol.c...inty/crews.html

“Smith may have flown to Kirtland but not in 1947. A C-54 could not land at Kirtland during this time period because the runway was too small!”


Posted by skyeagle409

TIME for a REALITY CHECK!!!


Posted by skyeagle409 on 10/09/2006

The normal operating weight of a C-54 (Loaded weight: 62,000 lb) was less than the gross weight of a B-17 and a C-54 was quite capable of operating from Kirtland AFB with no problem since aircraft normally don't always takeoff at gross weight anyway.


Posted by lost_shaman

Looks like Skyeagle409 is correct. All Tim Printy had to do was check the history books on this one.


I made Tim aware the C-54 had operated out of Kirtland AFB and why eventually made the correction on his website.

UFO debunkers are not interested in seeking the truth and waste time asking for answers from believers in order to carry on with their debunking routines, but I caught on to their routine many years ago.
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
<Checks data for a second later> Nope.

What transpired between that one second? Vertical vs. horizontal velocity.
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But, but, but, didn't you know, Arth, that the aliens have technology which detects proper, decent pix being taken and then makes them (the aliens) invisible? And that they've shared this technology with Nessie, Bigfoot, ghosts...

I am not into Nessie, Bigfoot or ghost, but I find UFOs very interesting and for a very good reason that includes my own sighting over Phan Rang Air Base, Vietnam in 1968 and learning of the disabling of Minuteman missiles by UFOs at launch facilities through investigations at my next base of assignment, which was Hill AFB, UT. Hill AFB was the depot for those missiles.

I became interested afterward and researched in UFOs, with the help of the U.S. Air Force that also supplied me with Project Mogul balloon flight documentation that show there was no such thing as Project Mogul balloon flight #4, which the Air Force said was a top secret project responsible for the Roswell Incident in its 1994 Roswell Report and found that Project Mogul balloon flights were not classified top secret at all and sometimes recovered by civilians for rewards. In other words, the Air Force has two books, one for the public and another depicting UFO reality for use behind closed doors.

There would not be any questions today had CBS not cut off Major Donald Keyhoe on Live TV on January 22, 1958 as he was about to reveal what the government knew about UFOs. When CBS was later asked why they cut him off, the reply was that it was done in the 'interest of national security.'


On another note:

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Navy withholding data on UFO sightings, congressman says

A top Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee is accusing the Navy of withholding information about reports of unidentified aircraft after officially requesting more data on the mysterious encounters.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...htings-1698396
And now, this:

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Pentagon releases UFO videos for the record

"The US Department of Defense has released three declassified videos of "unexplained aerial phenomena"

The Pentagon said it wanted to "clear up any misconceptions by the public on whether or not the footage that has been circulating was real".
Years ago, I predicted that the government would declassify and slowly release its UFO case files and measure the public's response, which is exactly what we are seeing today from governments around the world. Could it be they are preparing us for the day when official revelation is made at the United Nations?
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Old 7th May 2020, 04:04 PM   #106
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Old 7th May 2020, 07:20 PM   #107
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The good ol' "highly trained observers" line. Gets 'em every time.
If highly trained military pilots aren't good witnesses then who is...astronomers?
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Old 7th May 2020, 10:41 PM   #108
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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
I have answered questions on many occasions but it seems there are those who are more interested in debunking UFOs despite the evidence to the contrary[…]
The point of debunking is that what you claim to be evidence to the contrary is not evidence at all!

What about the three videos that you have presented as evidence here? They have been shown thoroughly not to be the evidence that you thought they would be. Are you going to stop using them as evidence, or are you going to continue using them in posts all over the internet in the hope that there are people who will not realize that they are worthless?
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Originally Posted by jakesteele View Post
If highly trained military pilots aren't good witnesses then who is...astronomers?
I wonder why a group of people whose job it is to professionally look up never see UFOs.
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Once again, the videos show the objects are real flying machines exhibiting advanced technology unknown to mankind, no question about it.
And yet, once again, explaining when asked what these advanced technologies actually do proves impossible.

Perhaps one highly-advanced effect of the alien tech is to make it impossible to describe how you can tell these three videos show real flying machines exhibiting technology unknown to mankind, even when there is no question about it. No matter how diligently you set out to answer this question, you find yourself inexorably sidetracked into changing the subject. Amazing. As surely as it is impossible to count the trees in Winnie the Pooh's Hundred Acre wood, even if you tie a ribbon around each one, it is impossible to state how we can tell these are examples of advanced unknown technology. Astounding. I guess this can only be explained by a technology unknown to mankind.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I wonder why a group of people whose job it is to professionally look up never see UFOs.
https://www.flightradar24.com/43.18,-105.09/4

Perhaps it's because they only stare at a fixed point in space with tunnel vision of sorts. But most importantly, they don't have nearly the coverage of the skys as airplanes do. Also, why do you allow astronomers to use the word professional but it doesn't seem to apply it to commericial and miltary airline pilots?
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Old 8th May 2020, 09:30 AM   #112
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According to the thread title the navy released these videos to reveal or acknowledge something.

Jaime Maussan agrees they reveal so much usually playing around the radical movements as something only an alien craft could do. Or an ice crystal on the camera lense maybe.

Just what exactly are we hanging onto by replaying these three videos for years and analizing copies of copies of them?

Mick West seems to have solved it again in the most logical way aa I can tell.

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US Navy pilot David Fravor

"As I got close to it ... it rapidly accelerated to the south, and disappeared in less than two seconds," said retired US Navy pilot David Fravor. "This was extremely abrupt, like a ping pong ball, bouncing off a wall. It would hit and go the other way."

"I have never seen anything in my life, in my history of flying that has the performance, the acceleration -- keep in mind this thing had no wings," Fravor said.

In April, 2019 the Navy acknowledged that the release of the videos had prompted the development of new guidelines for how pilots should report sightings of "unauthorized and/or unidentified aircraft."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/polit...eos/index.html

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pent...ry?id=70364183

A flying object with no wings nor visible engine or exhaust plumes that's exhibiting advanced performance capabilities unmatched by today's conventional aircraft. We have no such aircraft in our inventory and remember, these objects were tracked by multiple ships off the Southern California coast for several days leading up to the aerial encounter.

The reporting guidelines for pilots the Navy speaks of reminds me of JANAP-146. Check out the date.

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JANAP 146(C) COMMUNICATION INSTRUCTIONS FOR REPORTING VITAL INTELLIGENCE SIGHTINGS FROM AIRBORNE AND WATERBORNE SOURCES -
10 MARCH 1954


JANAP 146(C)

THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF
JOINT COMMUNICATIONS-ELECTRONICS COMMITTEE
WASHINGTON, D. C.

10 MARCH 1954

LETTER OF PROMULGATION

1. JANAP 146(C) COMMUNICATION INSTRUCTIONS FOR REPORTING VITAL INTELLIGENCE SIGHTINGS FROM AIRBORNE AND WATERBORNE SOURCES, is an unclassified publication.

2. JANAP 146(C) COMMUNICATION INSTRUCTIONS FOR REPORTING VITAL INTELLIGENCE SIGHTINGS FROM AIRBORNE AND WATERBORNE SOURCES, is effective upon receipt and supersedes JANAP 146 (B), COMMUNICATION INSTRUCTIONS FOR REPORTING VITAL INTELLIGENCE SIGHTINGS FROM AIRCRAFT (CIRVIS) and all other conflicting instructions. JANAP 146(B) shall be destroyed by burning. No report of destruction is required.

https://www.cufon.org/cufon/janp146c.htm

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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
I have answered questions on many occasions but it seems there are those who are more interested in debunking UFOs despite the evidence to the contrary, which brings to mind a confrontation I had with a top UFO debunker in the country, Tim Printy.
That is an outright lie on your part, I have asked you to indicate where in the three video clip the 'objects' exhibited technology beyond human capability and you have consistently failed to do so and instead just tossed out a bunch of unrelated, debunked garbage, so please answer the question or concede your original claim was also a lie.
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I loved that video!! But, check this out because the encounters over Washington D.C. in 1952 were very similar to what the Navy pilots experienced decades later and notice 'ATIC, Wright Pat' in one of the reports.

As a reminder, it was the 1948 Top Secret EOTS Report, ATIC, Wright-Patterson AFB, that concluded the objects in question were "Interplanetary Spaceships" which was reconfirmed in 1952.

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Conclusion UFOs Are Space Ships
Given SAC in 1952


A 1952 evaluation of "flying saucers" as interplanetary devices, sent to Strategic Air Command Headquarters from MacDill AFB, has been disclosed to NICAP by former information Specialist Don Widener, one of the AF men concurring in this opinion.

http://greyfalcon.us/pictures/1952FIG2.gif


http://www.ufopages.com/Graphics/Ref...C-1952-01a.png

http://www.roswellproof.com/files/haskell_52.gif


https://www.unexplained-mysteries.co...05296919a3.jpg


You would be surprised what has been going on behind closed doors and I have a feeling the Navy is withholding even more information in regard its encounters with these objects as been the case with the Air Force, which I have uncovered over the years.

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It's amazing. Try as he might, skyeagle409 is thwarted by the alien tech at every attempt.

See how he posts and posts again, trying hard to tell us how he can tell that these three videos show flying machines with capabilities beyond human imagining, yet every time he reaches for the keyboard the alien technology diverts him and he copy/pastes something irrelevant. Terrifying.
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Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
That is an outright lie on your part, I have asked you to indicate where in the three video clip the 'objects' exhibited technology beyond human capability and you have consistently failed to do so and instead just tossed out a bunch of unrelated, debunked garbage, so please answer the question or concede your original claim was also a lie.

Your post does not fly and is typical of the games UFO debunkers play. The data provided by me, courtesy of military forces and intelligence agencies in the United States and around the world pretty much sums it up that you are incorrect especially when radar contacts and pilot reports corroborate one another.
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
It's amazing. Try as he might, skyeagle409 is thwarted by the alien tech at every attempt.

See how he posts and posts again, trying hard to tell us how he can tell that these three videos show flying machines with capabilities beyond human imagining, yet every time he reaches for the keyboard the alien technology diverts him and he copy/pastes something irrelevant. Terrifying.

What did radar operators say in addition to the pilot's comments about the object's performance capabilities? Please post their comments for all to see here and then provide similar performance capabilities of conventional aircraft.

I would be more than happy to do so if you are unwilling, but here is your change to backup my claims.
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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
What did radar operators say in addition to the pilot's comments about the object's performance capabilities? Please post their comments for all to see here and then provide similar performance capabilities of conventional aircraft.

I would be more than happy to do so if you are unwilling, but here is your change to backup my claims.
This is getting close to telling us about the three videos and how we can tell they show craft beyond human capabilities. The power of the alien bamboozling ray may be weakening. Don't give up.
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Originally Posted by jakesteele View Post
https://www.flightradar24.com/43.18,-105.09/4

Perhaps it's because they only stare at a fixed point in space with tunnel vision of sorts. But most importantly, they don't have nearly the coverage of the skys as airplanes do.
As a matter of fact, astronomers have plenty of telescopes with full coverage of the “skys”. This is the way to go when looking for earth-crossing asteroids, cosmic rays, and much more.

I think airline pilots are primarily flying their planes, and observation is secondary. Astronomers are primarily observing.
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