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Old 9th May 2020, 12:22 PM   #121
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Now, for the rest of the story since the objects were confirmed visually from ship and aircraft and by various ship-based and airborne tracking systems, which does not translate into system malfunctions aboard the aircraft or mistakes regarding the visual accounts of the aircrew.


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U.S. Navy UFO Encounter

Stationed on the USS Princeton, a Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruiser, as the Nimitz carrier group went underway in early November 2004 for a routine training exercise, this would be the last time former Petty Officer 3rd Class Gary Voorhis would set sail aboard a Navy vessel.

While chatting with some of the Princeton’s radar techs, Voorhis says he heard they were getting “ghost tracks” and “clutter” on the radars. For Voorhis, the Princeton’s only system technician for the state-of-the-art Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) and AEGIS Combat System, news of these systems possibly malfunctioning was especially concerning.

Fearing the ship’s brand new AN/SPY-1B passive radar system was malfunctioning, Voorhis says the air control systems were taken down and recalibrated in an effort to clear out—what’s assumed to be false radar returns.

“Once we finished all the recalibration and brought it back up, the tracks were actually sharper and clearer,” Voorhis says. “Sometimes they’d be at an altitude of 80,000 or 60,000 feet. Other times they’d be around 30,000 feet, going like 100 knots. Their radar cross sections didn’t match any known aircraft; they were 100 percent red. No squawk, no IFF (Identification Friend or Foe).”

“When they’d show up on radar,” Voorhis says, “I’d get the relative bearing and then run up to the bridge and look through a pair of heavily magnified binoculars in the direction the returns were coming from.” Describing what he saw during the daytime, Voorhis says the objects were too far off to make out any distinguishing features, however, he could clearly see something moving erratically in the distance.

“I couldn’t make out details, but they'd just be hovering there, then all of a sudden, in an instant, they’d dart off to another direction and stop again,” Voorhis says. “At night, they’d give off a kind of a phosphorus glow and were a little easier to see than in the day.”

By November 14, the strange returns had been continuously showing up for close to a week. With an air defense exercise scheduled for that morning, Day convinced his commanding officer to let him direct aircraft to attempt an intercept of these anomalous radar returns. Day’s decision led the VFA-41 Squadron Commander David Fravor to encounter what an “unofficial executive summary” later described as “an elongated egg or a ‘Tic Tac’ shape with a discernible midline horizontal axis” of approximately 46 feet in length.

The Intercept

As the aircraft approached the intercept location Princeton instructed Lieutenant Colonel Kurth to leave the area as the Navy planes were approaching. The pilot noticed a round section of turbulent water about 50-100 meters in diameter before returning to Nimitz without seeing any source for the disturbance and without picking up any unknown radar contact. The Navy pilots reached the intercept location without any contact on their new APG-73 radars. They looked down at the sea and also noticed a turbulent oval area of churning water with foam and frothy waves "the size of a Boeing 737 airplane" with a smoother area of lighter color at the center, as if the waves were breaking over something just under the surface. A few seconds later, they noticed an unusual object hovering with erratic movements at a height they estimated to be about 50 feet (15 m) above the churning water. Both Fravor and Slaight later described the object as a large bright white Tic Tac, 30 to 46 feet (9.1 to 14.0 m) long, with no windshield nor porthole, no wing nor empennage, and no visible engine nor exhaust plume.

McMillan, Tim (November 12, 2019). "The Witnesses". Popular Mechanics. Retrieved November 15, 2019.
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Old 9th May 2020, 02:02 PM   #122
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This is getting close to telling us about the three videos and how we can tell they show craft beyond human capabilities. The power of the alien bamboozling ray may be weakening. Don't give up.

Another Navy admiral would disagree and what the Navy pilots encountered was not the first time the Navy became involved with UFOs.

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HOW SCIENTISTS TRACKED A FLYING SAUCER

U.S. NAVAL UNIT
WHITE SANDS PROVING GROUNDS
LAS CRUCES, NEW MEXICO

Commander Robert B. McLaughlin, USN


In its January issue TRUE said that the flying saucers are real and interplanetary. Its story was widely supported by the nation's press and radio. TRUE's findings are here confirmed by Commander McLaughlin, a rocket expert at White Sands Proving Ground, who worked independently of this magazine's investigation. He reveals how a troup of Navy men and scientists tracked a flying disk with a precision instrument and tells of flights he and others witnessed.

https://www.nicap.org/true-mc.htm



We have no such flying machines that can conduct such advanced maneuvers the Navy pilots encountered and as I have mentioned on other occasions, countries around the world have been releasing their own UFO case files. In other words, we are already on the road to full disclosure.

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CHILEAN AIR FORCE RECOGNIZES UFOS AS FLYING MACHINES PILOTED BY ET INTELLIGENCE

The other top reason that explains Chile's recognition and openness about the UFO question is that General Ramon Vega, former Commander of FACh, the Chilean Air Force, has personally observed UFOs on two occasions while in the air.

Chile announces UFOs are for real

On 2nd April 1997, Chilean newspaper "La Cuarta" has the following headline: "UFO Sighting of Arica is Confirmed by La Direccion General de Aeronautic Civil." Chile did start to join the small number of countries who officially stated that the nature of UFOs is of intelligent driven flying machines.

This is a secret USAF document, declassified because of the Freedom Of Information Act


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Air Intelligence Report 100-203-79

T/S CONTROL NO 2-7341
OFFICE TO WHICH LOANED AFOIN-2A
89A DATE DUE IN AFOIN-C/DD 8 July 1952
PLEASE RETURN THIS DOCUMENT ON DATE SPECIFIED ABOVE TO AFOIN-C/DD, ROOM

5C116 ATTENTION: TOP SECRET CONTROL OFFICER.

When the attached document is withdrawn the classification of this sheet will be changed to UNCLASSIFIED in accordance with PAR 25c, AFR 205-1.

TOP SECRET

2-7341
DATE 28 APR 1949
NO 100-203-79
CY. NO 102 OF 103

HEADQUARTERS UNITED STATES AIR FORCE
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Old 9th May 2020, 02:12 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
Another Navy admiral would disagree
Oh. He would disagree that you haven't yet managed to describe how the three videos can be seen to show flying craft with fantastical abilities? Would he be able to indicate where you did so?
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Old 9th May 2020, 02:52 PM   #124
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I wonder why a group of people whose job it is to professionally look up never see UFOs.
They do see the objects.

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Clyde Tombaugh

Clyde William Tombaugh, was an American astronomer. He discovered Pluto in 1930. According to an entry in "UFO updates", Tombaugh said: "I have seen three objects in the last seven years which defied any explanation of known phenomenon, such as Venus, atmospheric optic, meteors or planes. I am a professional, highly skilled, professional astronomer. In addition I have seen three green fireballs which were unusual in behavior from normal green fireballs... I think that several reputable scientists are being unscientific in refusing to entertain the possibility of extraterrestrial origin and nature.

In June 1952, Dr. J. Allen Hynek, an astronomer acting as a scientific consultant to the Air Force's Project Blue Book UFO study, secretly conducted a survey of fellow astronomers on UFO sightings and attitudes while attending an astronomy convention. Tombaugh and four other astronomers, including Dr. Lincoln LaPaz of the University of New Mexico, told Hynek about their sightings. Tombaugh also told Hynek that his telescopes were at the Air Force's disposal for taking photos of UFOs, if he was properly alerted.

"These things, which do appear to be directed, are unlike any other phenomena I ever observed. Their apparent lack of obedience to the ordinary laws of celestial motion gives credence."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Tombaugh





Could the object in the following video be related to a group of UFOs the Navy encountered? The following flight data is provided for the object in the video.


UFO Video 1 of 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XtUyzZxOYo


UFO Video 2 of 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L4CBIeNFY0


UFO Video 3 of 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9WlCpMnlZM





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Old 9th May 2020, 04:01 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
Oh. He would disagree that you haven't yet managed to describe how the three videos can be seen to show flying craft with fantastical abilities? Would he be able to indicate where you did so?

What did the pilots? The object doesn't have wings nor a visible propulsion system and does not leave behind exhaust plums and in one video, rotates as it flies against the wind.


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Navy Pilot Says UFO He Saw Off California Was ‘Not of This World’

Upon flying 60 miles to the location, Fravor says he saw a tic-tac shaped object, “40 feet long with no wings, just hanging close to the water,” in an interview with the Washington Post on Monday. He said it created a disturbance on the water uncharacteristic of a helicopter or a plane, and moved rapidly.

“As I get closer, as my nose is starting to pull back up, it accelerates and it’s gone,” he told the Post. “Faster than I’d ever seen anything in my life. We turn around, say let’s go see what’s in the water and there’s nothing. Just blue water.”

“I can tell you, I think it was not from this world,” Fravor told ABC News,


Navy pilot Chad Underwood

"The thing that stood out to me the most was how erratic it was behaving," he told New York magazine. "Its changes in altitude, air speed, and aspect were just unlike things that I've ever encountered before flying against other air targets."

At one point, the object appeared to dart from a high altitude of about 60,000 feet to a low altitude of 50 feet "within seconds," according to the DOD report. At another point, it veered violently to the left.

https://time.com/5070962/navy-pilot-...om-this-world/

The high maneuvering capabilities and high velocity of these objects within earth's atmosphere that exclude conventional aircraft is what what military and commercial pilots and radar operators around the world have been reporting for decades.

The Navy pilot's description of the extreme demonstrated performance capabilities of the object that he and his wingman encountered confirms the object was not of this earth.


Navy Pilot's Video Interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDj9ZZQY2kA
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You're still not describing anything shown in the three videos.
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You're still not describing anything shown in the three videos.
Yeah I've come to the conclusion that Skyeagle409 simply sees what he wants to see in the videos, things that the rest of us don't see.
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A deep faith in military men and their infallible equipment is required to hold his position.

I would suspect that depending on the technology used in each case, and the personal experience I have with US military equipment not always being anywhere near cutting edge tech, nor proven to be oerfect, is closer to the truth.

Its good, better than many nations use, but far from bug free.
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Back on topic...

This is a good one-stop briefing on the subject:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...the-east-coast

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This report notes that Fleet Area Control and Surveillance Facility, Virginia Capes (FASCFAC VACAPES) again did not spot this object on its radar screens. However, the commanding officer of VFA-106 also noted that FASCFAC VACAPES "cannot detect a target this size if it is not squawking IFF [Identification Friend or Foe] or communicating via radio," which "presents a significant safety concern, given that this unknown aircraft was detected in an exclusive use area."

"I feel it may only be a matter of time before one of our F/A-18 aircraft has a mid-air collision with an unidentified UAS [unmanned aerial system]," the head of VFA-106 added in their comments. The report also says that "FACSFAC VACAPES has received multiple UAS sightings in the recent months," but does not say how many of those sightings resulted in sending in hazard reports. There's no indication that this particular report resulted in any Notices to Airmen (NOTAM) or Temporary Flight Restrictions (TFR), though it did spark additional internal Navy alerts.

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“As I get closer, as my nose is starting to pull back up, it accelerates and it’s gone,” he told the Post. “Faster than I’d ever seen anything in my life. We turn around, say let’s go see what’s in the water and there’s nothing. Just blue water.”... Fravor told ABC News.
"Could it have been a reflection of the Sun off the water?" - the reporter asks.

"The Sun?" - Fravor retorts. "What's that?"
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What did the pilots? The object doesn't have wings nor a visible propulsion system
How can you tell? I just see a blob.

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and does not leave behind exhaust plums and in one video, rotates as it flies against the wind.
You realise none of these things -- rotation, no exhaust plume, and moving against the wind, are beyond the capabilities of human aircraft or even balloons, right?

Also, did you watch Mick West's videos?

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The high maneuvering capabilities and high velocity of these objects within earth's atmosphere that exclude conventional aircraft is what what military and commercial pilots and radar operators around the world have been reporting for decades.
Yup, it's been reported for decades, and in most/all cases it's just humans misinterpreting, seeing some new aircraft design they didn't know about, or making **** up.
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This popped up today:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/u....co/cjchKQ75ql

In which a Pentagon consultant says on the record he gave a classified briefing this year about retrievals from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”

On the other hand, the current Administration is desperate to distract the public any way it can.
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
This popped up today:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/u....co/cjchKQ75ql

In which a Pentagon consultant says on the record he gave a classified briefing this year about retrievals from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”
All without a shred of proof evidence.
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The SETI team investigate interesting signals and have meetings to discuss what they would do if they actually found what they were looking for.

Just sayin'.
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Eric W. Davis, an astrophysicist who worked as a subcontractor and then a consultant for the Pentagon U.F.O. program since 2007, said that, in some cases, examination of the materials had so far failed to determine their source and led him to conclude, “We couldn’t make it ourselves.”
I'd prefer the opinion of a metallurgist or materials scientist.
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I'd prefer the opinion of a metallurgist or materials scientist.
I'd prefer some physical evidence over any opinion.

If there are intelligent aliens out there, and they are technologically advanced enough to reach Earth, and they finally decide to make their presence known and meet with us, then unless they have no aggressive intentions and they are able to shield us from their own bacteria and viruses, we don't stand much more chance than the natives did when Columbus showed up.
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I'd prefer some physical evidence over any opinion.

If there are intelligent aliens out there, and they are technologically advanced enough to reach Earth, and they finally decide to make their presence known and meet with us, then unless they have no aggressive intentions and they are able to shield us from their own bacteria and viruses, we don't stand much more chance than the natives did when Columbus showed up.
Well, if the more breathless among us are to be believed, the aliens have been here for decades, if not hundreds of years.
All they seem to have done so far is annoy pilots and stick their fingers up Mid-Westerners' bottoms.
As invasions go, it's not terribly impressive: I think we've a fair chance of surviving it.
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While Twitter and sources of questionable reputation are going nuts over this, this article seems to take a better look at the claims, including a correction from the NY Times.

What’s Actually Going On With UFOs And The Pentagon?
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Oh ho!

Bob Lazar was Telling the Truth.

https://www.thestar.com/entertainmen...all-along.html

OK. So it's by By Vinay Menon, Entertainment Columnist

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But here’s the thing: 30 years later, nothing Lazar said has been disproven. Nothing.
Really?

What Lazar said about Element 115 (now known as Moscovium):

As part of the gravity-harnessing propulsion, the craft used an element, 115, unknown on Earth, because it is "impossible to synthesize an element that heavy here on Earth. . . . The substance has to come from a place where super-heavy elements could have been produced naturally." From the recovered craft the U.S. government had collected some 500 pounds of the stuff.

What the properties of Moscovium are as recorded after it had first synthesized in 2003:


Moscovium is an extremely radioactive element: its most stable known isotope, moscovium-290, has a half-life of only 0.65 seconds.

It would be gone in a flash Bob. Gone in a flash.
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Well, if the more breathless among us are to be believed, the aliens have been here for decades, if not hundreds of years.
All they seem to have done so far is annoy pilots and stick their fingers up Mid-Westerners' bottoms.
As invasions go, it's not terribly impressive: I think we've a fair chance of surviving it.
The Earth is turning into a sex vacation destination for proctology fetishists and all you can do is make light of it? Will no one think of the cattle?
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Oh ho!

Bob Lazar was Telling the Truth.

https://www.thestar.com/entertainmen...all-along.html

OK. So it's by By Vinay Menon, Entertainment Columnist



Really?

What Lazar said about Element 115 (now known as Moscovium):

As part of the gravity-harnessing propulsion, the craft used an element, 115, unknown on Earth, because it is "impossible to synthesize an element that heavy here on Earth. . . . The substance has to come from a place where super-heavy elements could have been produced naturally." From the recovered craft the U.S. government had collected some 500 pounds of the stuff.

What the properties of Moscovium are as recorded after it had first synthesized in 2003:


Moscovium is an extremely radioactive element: its most stable known isotope, moscovium-290, has a half-life of only 0.65 seconds.

It would be gone in a flash Bob. Gone in a flash.
Tsk I though everyone knew Element 115 was just a codename for a Non-Mendeleevian Element composed of exotic matter and closely related to what is commonly called Dilithium.
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Tsk I though everyone knew Element 115 was just a codename for a Non-Mendeleevian Element composed of exotic matter and closely related to what is commonly called Dilithium.
So we're going to have to mine some Unobtainium on some distant planet and wait for it to decay into Moscovium? I was hoping for a closer source.
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The Earth is turning into a sex vacation destination for proctology fetishists and all you can do is make light of it? Will no one think of the cattle?
It wouldn't be the worst fate, tbh, if some aliens decided they want to have vacations on some primitive pre-warp planet. Lots of people would be more than happy to build a hotel and take, well, whatever passes for money in the aliens' world. And quite a few countries are ok with prostitution too, if that's what floats the aliens' saucer.
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But in all seriousness the mere fact that the real element 115 is nothing like the one described by Lazar won't make a dent, they will have some excuse for ignoring real evidence.
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Old 29th July 2020, 06:48 AM   #145
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But in all seriousness the mere fact that the real element 115 is nothing like the one described by Lazar won't make a dent, they will have some excuse for ignoring real evidence.
Evidence? I don't need no steenk'n evidence. I sometimes despair for the future of this Planet.

I don't remember ever having seen a scintilla of independent documentary evidence that anything Lazar has said intersects with reality in any way.
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I saw a UFO once as a kid back in the early 70's. it seemed rather large until it moved in front of a billboard that was about a half block away. It hovered for a bit them zoomed away at great speed. It might have been a drone but it was from the 70's
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I saw a UFO once as a kid back in the early 70's. it seemed rather large until it moved in front of a billboard that was about a half block away. It hovered for a bit them zoomed away at great speed. It might have been a drone but it was from the 70's
That sounds very much like how an American Kestrel might hunt by the side of a road.

Hovering while looking for prey.
They can fly at ~40mph, so the appearance of "zooming" off might be explained as well.

I'm not dismissing your sighting, just suggesting a possible explanation. I have had 2 sightings that I haven't been able to establish suitable explanations for.
Plus a fireball that I can at least logically assert a probable cause for.
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I saw a UFO once as a kid back in the early 70's. it seemed rather large until it moved in front of a billboard that was about a half block away. It hovered for a bit them zoomed away at great speed. It might have been a drone but it was from the 70's
This brings me back to my earlier point about what the aliens are doing here.
It must have been a truly spectacular billboard to justify an intergalactic trip.
Can you remember what it was advertising?
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The billboard was a half block away in the city not that high up on a city building. It hovered for about 30 seconds in back of it where I was of it then zoomed off. It was actually kind of small. Could have been a drone but I am not sure they were around in the late 60's early 70's. I used to watch for them at night and am pretty sure I saw something else not hovering over a billboard that zoomed away at a high rate of speed. I do feel that I also felt that I might have been contacted by an alien race much later around 9-12 and was telepathically given the blueprints for an alien craft from the more advanced alien race. Not much has ever come of that though. So I am 56 now. I am schizophrenic now but was not schizophrenic back then.
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Long thread I've never opened... sorry if tis is mentioned upthread.
I just last.night watched thunderf00t's vid where he destroys any "aliens" aspect of the three Navy UFO clips.
But the sad part is Michio Kaku (an esteemed astrophysisist) seems to have jumped the rails and careened straight into Georgio territory.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
This playlist of short videos by user Mick West sufficiently explains all three of the released videos.

He brings up a good point about how the Navy's naming of one of the videos "Gimbal" in its internal documentation suggests that the Navy's own analysts figured out exactly what is happening in it.
Quick skimming the thread, replying just to say thanks like others and I'll have a look at his vids over the weekend.

And here's the tf00t vid in case it isn't upthread...

https://youtu.be/jWWGmiZs4JA
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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
The SETI team investigate interesting signals and have meetings to discuss what they would do if they actually found what they were looking for.

Just sayin'.
"I think SETI may be getting too close to "teh troof" because some... thing just took out about 100 meters of the big Arecibo dish."

-Georgio, probably.
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I often wonder (to myself) why the BEST EVIDENCE for UFOs is so completely useless.

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Maybe because we are the animals. What do animals know about us?
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Maybe because we are the animals. What do animals know about us?
We are animals. But I assume you mean we have technologies which are fundamentally far beyond the understanding of other animals. And aliens might have abilities which are similarly far beyond our conception.

Perhaps so, yet the persistent claim of UFO fans is that they are vehicles. We get that idea. They're claimed to have abilities beyond any vehicle we could make, but still the concept of a vehicle is one we know, and not bewildering.

(Of course in this case the claims of extreme speed and manoeuvring agility are nonsense as the unidentified objects are not moving in the way the enthusiasts imagine.)
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Let's not fixate on any claim over another though. Recall that it's the opinion of Robert Bigelow, whose company got the original AATIP contract to "study the UFOs", that UFOs aren't nuts-and-bolts vehicles piloted by extraterrestrials but rather mental imagery inserted into people's minds by some kind of intelligent interdimensional ghosts or something.
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Let's not fixate on any claim over another though. Recall that it's the opinion of Robert Bigelow, whose company got the original AATIP contract to "study the UFOs", that UFOs aren't nuts-and-bolts vehicles piloted by extraterrestrials but rather mental imagery inserted into people's minds by some kind of intelligent interdimensional ghosts or something.
Doesn't seem like an especially useful suggestion. "It's all in your head but hey - maybe aliens put it there" would seem only to cover cases where there is no objective evidence of any phenomenon external to the witness's head.

If you have photos of something but don't know what it is then another explanation seems to be required.
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It’s kind of like your cat seeing a jet. Yeah it’s there but that doesn’t prove that there are humans flying it
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It’s kind of like your cat seeing a jet. Yeah it’s there but that doesn’t prove that there are humans flying it
In this case it's like your cat seeing a bird and thinking "that bird is going faster and turning with greater agility than any bird could possibly manage" but only because your cat had misunderstood what it was seeing, how fast the bird itself was really moving and in fact it was an ordinary bird doing ordinary bird stuff.

It's a bit disappointing to discover your cat is so easy to bamboozle, especially when it's a famous physicist, but cats will always find ways to surprise us.
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They do see the objects.





http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...l_document.png


Could the object in the following video be related to a group of UFOs the Navy encountered? The following flight data is provided for the object in the video.


UFO Video 1 of 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XtUyzZxOYo


UFO Video 2 of 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L4CBIeNFY0


UFO Video 3 of 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9WlCpMnlZM

http://www.roswellproof.com/Nellis_Image_size.gif

http://www.roswellproof.com/Nellis_g...traj_speed.gif

http://www.roswellproof.com/Nellis_Alt_Dist.gif

Thanks for the graphs skyeagle. Two things occur to me after looking at them.

1. The acceleration and deceleration are enormous and it's hard to imagine lifeforms (if there are any on board) surviving the forces involved.

2. The erratic movement is hard to conjure up reasons for.
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