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View Poll Results: How long will the impeachment trial last?
One hour or less 8 14.04%
One day or less 16 28.07%
One week or less 11 19.30%
One month or less. 15 26.32%
It'll still be going on Planet X in 2219. 7 12.28%
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Old 12th December 2019, 10:08 AM   #1
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How Long Will the Impeachment Trial Last?

It's a forgone conclusion there'll be one, how long?

ETA: How do get a reply before it even gets posted?

For the "or less" options, just assume "but more than the line above".
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Old 12th December 2019, 10:09 AM   #2
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Old 12th December 2019, 10:11 AM   #3
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Fine hours, to show willing, then a vote strictly along party lines. Trump will interpret that as evidence of the Mandate of Heaven and become even more outrageous. I will invest in liquor manufacturers because they're going to make a lot of sales.
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Old 12th December 2019, 10:12 AM   #4
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Did you mean "five hours"? Although "fine" kind of works somehow.
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Old 12th December 2019, 10:15 AM   #5
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Given the circus the Repugnicans are making of this, maybe the Democrats should've included a number of frivolous articles of impeachment as if they were real.

"President Donald J Trump caused the 1929 stock market crash. Believe us."

"President Donald J Trump was Hitler's mentor. His mentor. Can you believe that?"

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Old 12th December 2019, 10:26 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Did you mean "five hours"? Although "fine" kind of works somehow.
Yeah, 5. Autocorrect is a horror lately. It corrected "phone" to "ovine" this morning in a text from my sister. Those are very different things, barring mad science.
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More then a week, less then a month, 2-3 weeks the most likely.

Regardless of everything the Republicans will want to pretend they are taking this seriously so we'll probably see a couple of weeks of absolutely pointless posturing and a the Republicans using this as a chance to throw dirt at the Democrats (especially the likely 20202 nominees, again fair chance they succeed in effectively turning it into the Hunter Biden show) before the inevitable outcome.
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Old 12th December 2019, 10:36 AM   #8
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Gilligan's Impeachment. It was only supposed to last three house.
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Old 12th December 2019, 10:39 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
More then a week, less then a month, 2-3 weeks the most likely.

Regardless of everything the Republicans will want to pretend they are taking this seriously so we'll probably see a couple of weeks of absolutely pointless posturing and a the Republicans using this as a chance to throw dirt at the Democrats (especially the likely 20202 nominees, again fair chance they succeed in effectively turning it into the Hunter Biden show) before the inevitable outcome.
This is why I gave it about a month. They'll get media coverage to pushing any off-the-wall conspiracy theory they can so that ultimately no one can keep track of what is going on.

The real question isn't how long the trial will last. The real question is how weird it will get. Do we take a drink every time the DNC server is mentioned? Or Benghazi? Or child porn rings in the basements of pizza restaurants? Climate change? God/Big Foot/aliens want Trump to be president? I mean, I just don't know.
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Old 12th December 2019, 10:46 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
. Those are very different things, barring mad science.
Thanks for the chuckle.
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I've been saying a day, but I just looked up Clinton's trial and it was from January 7 to February 9. Might be a lot of procedural stuff takes time, I don't know.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I've been saying a day, but I just looked up Clinton's trial and it was from January 7 to February 9. Might be a lot of procedural stuff takes time, I don't know.
Thats kind of amazing since they called no witnesses. They did depose witnesses privately and made the recordings of those depositions available for Senators to view.
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Old 12th December 2019, 11:59 AM   #13
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Gilligan's Impeachment. It was only supposed to last three house.
Is everybody in this thread texting during their Holiday party today?
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Fortunately, I don't use autocorrect, so noting of this short can hapless to my posses.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I've been saying a day, but I just looked up Clinton's trial and it was from January 7 to February 9. Might be a lot of procedural stuff takes time, I don't know.
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Thats kind of amazing since they called no witnesses. They did depose witnesses privately and made the recordings of those depositions available for Senators to view.
I still hold that the '98 Republicans had no actual hope of convicting Clinton in the Senate. They weren't that bad at reading the room back then.

Clinton's Impeachment was character assassination to set the first stage for the '00 election campaign.
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I still hold that the '98 Republicans had no actual hope of convicting Clinton in the Senate. They weren't that bad at reading the room back then.

Clinton's Impeachment was character assassination to set the first stage for the '00 election campaign.
And that of the 2016 one.
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Old 12th December 2019, 12:16 PM   #17
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There should be a negative number option. I predict that the Republicans not only vote Trump "not-guilty" but actually declare he performed a heroic act and give him an award. And that they do that before any actual consideration of the bill of impeachment from the House.
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Old 12th December 2019, 12:23 PM   #18
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Trump hates that other people are on Tv and not him.
My guess is McConnell will invite him to make a statement but answer no questions - just like any innocent defendant.
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Is everybody in this thread texting during their Holiday party today?
I am like this without booze.
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Too long, and also not long enough. Planet X.
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Old 12th December 2019, 04:33 PM   #21
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I hope it lasts long and creates the impression among his base that Trump is a lifelong criminal.
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I hope it lasts long and creates the impression among his base that Trump is a lifelong criminal.
I hope it lasts long and creates the impression among his base that Democrats will. Never. Get. Over. 2016.

Hillary Clinton will never be president.
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Old 12th December 2019, 05:42 PM   #23
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I hope it lasts long and creates the impression among his base that Democrats will. Never. Get. Over. 2016.

Hillary Clinton will never be president.

Hopefully it will last long enough for you to realize it's not about Hillary losing 2016, it's about a criminal that won. Maybe you should try rereading the post you just quoted.....and do try paying attention to what it says this time.
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Well, that Family Guy just came on, and said that he acknowledges that they've been there a long time today, but he has several more amendments he's going to put forth tonight.

Note: When I first thought of that snarky name upon seeing him, I didn't know his name was really "Guy".
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I hope it lasts long and creates the impression among his base that Democrats will. Never. Get. Over. 2016.

Hillary Clinton will never be president.
You're getting better. No mention of EMAILS! or BENGHAZI!

News Flash: Dems already know Clinton will never be president. We're not the ones who need to get over Clinton.
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I don't know about the impeachment trial, but this House debate has lasted several eternities already.
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So the idea that the President can never do anything wrong because it goes against the will of the people and any punitive action taken against the President is trying to "over turn the election" is where we're landing?

Newsflash. "The People" elected Congress as much as they elected Trump.
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I still hold that the '98 Republicans had no actual hope of convicting Clinton in the Senate. They weren't that bad at reading the room back then.

Clinton's Impeachment was character assassination to set the first stage for the '00 election campaign.
The Clinton impeachment backfired on the Republicans long before the Senate trial. By the time there was a trial, the GOP found itself trying to save face and justifying the impeachment and also trying to put it in the rear view mirror quickly.

I laugh when people compare the impeachments as if we can learn something from the previous events. We can't. Clinton was being impeached because he lied in a deposition about a consensual sexual relationship. And the only reason it got anyone's attention was the three years of investigating a real estate deal morphed into finding some way of embarrassing Clinton. What should be noted was how Clinton dealt with impeachment. He barely complained or said a word about it and focused on everything else.

The voters not only didn't care, they punished the GOP for its actions.

In contrast, Trump's impeachment arose from a whistleblower's complaint that the President was using military aid to Ukraine as a way to smear his major political opponent.
Trump in contrast to Clinton has whined non-stop through it all.

The majority of the country believe that impeachment is justified. The idea there will be some kind of voter backlash because of the impeachment is a stretch.
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I don't think the impeachment will have much of an effect at all. Those who see Trump for what he is will still either vote Dem, a possible independent (doubtful) or not vote at all. Trump supporters will still vote for him. They just don't care.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
More then a week, less then a month, 2-3 weeks the most likely.

Regardless of everything the Republicans will want to pretend they are taking this seriously so we'll probably see a couple of weeks of absolutely pointless posturing and a the Republicans using this as a chance to throw dirt at the Democrats (especially the likely 20202 nominees, again fair chance they succeed in effectively turning it into the Hunter Biden show) before the inevitable outcome.

This is why I voted for "about a week". It needs to be long enough that they can pretend they "considered all the evidence", but not long enough for it to look like a circus. If they're smart, that is.

At this point, they've said all the stupid stuff they needed to say to rile up their own base. What they need to do now is avoid riling up the Democrat's base, and independent voters, any more than they already have. Weeks or months of rage, lies and conspiracy theories won't get them any new votes, but it likely will get the Dems new votes.

My hope is that they're not that smart, and will go all-in on an endless three-ring circus with monkeys and elephants and clowns and PETA protests and some weird Chinese act that makes everyone scratch their head, with a Putin look-alike as Ringmaster.
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My hope is that they're not that smart, and will go all-in on an endless three-ring circus with monkeys and elephants and clowns and PETA protests and some weird Chinese act that makes everyone scratch their head, with a Putin look-alike as Ringmaster.
We've been handing the Republicans more and more rope for the last 3 years under the "Eventually they will hang themselves" concept and they don't seem to every getting around to do it.

Sooner or later we need we need to accept that this "If we just give the Republicans the opportunity to make fools of themselves they will show themselves for what they are" moment is never going to actually come.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
We've been handing the Republicans more and more rope for the last 3 years under the "Eventually they will hang themselves" concept and they don't seem to every getting around to do it.

Sooner or later we need we need to accept that this "If we just give the Republicans the opportunity to make fools of themselves they will show themselves for what they are" moment is never going to actually come.


It almost came in the last Presidential election. Trump only won because of a few thousand votes in a few key states. It won't take that much more rope to hang him in 2020.

And it did come in the last mid-term election, where the GOP lost the House. They really only avoided losing the Senate because there was an imbalance in how many Dems vs. Pubs seats were up for election, due to the way the Senate election cycles work.

It's not a forgone conclusion, but it's not ridiculously unlikely, either. Crazy goes in waves, and eventually we have to hit the crest of this current wave.
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I voted for a week or less, but that's me being unjustifiably optimistic. Given the brazen collusion taking place, if it lasts more than a day (or as long as it takes to complete opening statements, which in theory could be two days) I'll be pleasantly surprised.
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So the idea that the President can never do anything wrong because it goes against the will of the people and any punitive action taken against the President is trying to "over turn the election" is where we're landing?

Newsflash. "The People" elected Congress as much as they elected Trump.
Exactly. And if the Senate votes to remove him from office, he will be succeeded by a duly-elected Republican. The election won't be overturned or handed to the opposing party.
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If it takes an hour or less, everybody is correct (because a month or less is also an hour or less).
Oof.
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For the "or less" options, just assume "but more than the line above".
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What Impeachment this is Just the Mitch McConnell sham Trial.
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I hope it lasts long and creates the impression among his base that Democrats will. Never. Get. Over. 2016.

Hillary Clinton will never be president.
Clearly, that is already the impression among some of his base, but where did you get that impression?
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What Impeachment this is Just the Mitch McConnell sham Trial.
Which will be a fitting conclusion to the whole fiasco started by Schiff's "parody."

The real losers in this will be D reps in Trump districts who vote for Trumpeachment and lose their seats. When they won in 2018 trump was not on the ballot. This time he will be and Trump supporters will vote them out of office.
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Originally Posted by Iamafalser View Post
Which will be a fitting conclusion to the whole fiasco started by Schiff's "parody."

The real losers in this will be D reps in Trump districts who vote for Trumpeachment and lose their seats. When they won in 2018 trump was not on the ballot. This time he will be and Trump supporters will vote them out of office.
I hope you are right, because a Trump win is essential for my plan to kick off the next civil war. (Next step:- nuke California!).

I don't think it will make a difference though. The Deplorables in 'Trump' districts are bound to vote against Democrats anyway - impeachment or no. Because they are deplorable.
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