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Old 27th April 2021, 10:35 AM   #1
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A Few New Photos of the WTC on 9-11

Someone posted these to Reddit. A teenager was going through an album belonging to his great aunt.

The story and pictures are here:

https://nypost.com/2021/04/27/unseen...ign=SocialFlow

The Reddit Link is here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/interesting...discovered_in/

Nothing really new, but it has an interesting angle on the collapse of WTC1 that gives a great perspective of how far debris was ejected from the building and a huge chunk is visible falling near WTC7. I've always said there are more photos out there. Someday we will see them all. The story won't change.
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Old 27th April 2021, 11:00 AM   #2
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Full album on Flickr:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/190109...h/50931313337/

Things I look for are:
Dust cover on the ground after 1st, and after 2nd collapse. It appears that the North Tower collapse pushed dust further north than the South Tower collapse (no huge surprise, but it's interesting to see there was, at least initially, a visible limit to dust spread).
Possibility of using shadows and sunlight to estimate time, at least relatively.
Some of the images appear to be from later days.
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Old 28th April 2021, 10:13 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Full album on Flickr:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/190109...h/50931313337/

Things I look for are:
Dust cover on the ground after 1st, and after 2nd collapse. It appears that the North Tower collapse pushed dust further north than the South Tower collapse (no huge surprise, but it's interesting to see there was, at least initially, a visible limit to dust spread).
Possibility of using shadows and sunlight to estimate time, at least relatively.
Some of the images appear to be from later days.

Your link terminates at a Flikr log-in wall. I joined Flikr to view the images and
now your posted terminates at a flikr 404 nonexistant page link here...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/190109...h/50931313337/


How can I view the new images? thank you
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Old 29th April 2021, 01:43 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Your link terminates at a Flikr log-in wall.
Nope, doesn't for me (and no, I am not already logged in).
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Old 29th April 2021, 03:55 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Nope, doesn't for me (and no, I am not already logged in).

The first time I used the link you supplied I received a 404 message that I needed to "login".
I joined flikr and am fully logged in using the exact same link you supplied, and I'm now getting 404 messages stating


404

This is not the page you’re looking for.

2021-04-29T10:26:33Z-fb0fcb9f@server
It appears the album you seek doesn’t exist.
Here are some of today’s best photos instead:



Mox Nix -I have only viewed two images from "My great Aunt's photo album"

and both appear to be amateur grade images created by children with photo shop type software.
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Old 29th April 2021, 04:03 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Nope, doesn't for me (and no, I am not already logged in).
I had the same problem. Is it a regional thing, do you think?
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Old 29th April 2021, 05:16 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
I had the same problem. Is it a regional thing, do you think?

The 404 message appears to be generated by the website flikr.
Edited by zooterkin:  <SNIP>
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Old 29th April 2021, 10:51 AM   #8
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The NY Post link has them. Reddit has them.

You are not a victim because you don't know how to "Internet".
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Old 29th April 2021, 11:54 AM   #9
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I get 403, not 404. Different things.
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Old 29th April 2021, 12:30 PM   #10
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Well, some more pictures of one of this century's most photographed events.. What exactly is interesting here?

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Old 29th April 2021, 02:29 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans View Post
Well, some more pictures of one of this century's most photographed events.. What exactly is interesting here?

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Nothing. These photos have been available for a very long time.
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Old 29th April 2021, 07:56 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
I had the same problem. Is it a regional thing, do you think?
I have not the slightest idea. How about this?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/190109...7718241415376/

or

https://www.flickr.com/photos/190109...57718241415376

?
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Old 30th April 2021, 03:58 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post

Both links terminate at 404 messages in new jersey USA
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Old 30th April 2021, 04:08 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
403 notice: I don't have permission to view the album, and I have to sign in.
Same as before.
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Old 30th April 2021, 10:53 AM   #15
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Well, some more pictures of one of this century's most photographed events.. What exactly is interesting here?

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Well, they give our resident truther something to throw a tantrum over.

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The 404 message appears to be generated by the website flikr.
Edited by zooterkin:  <SNIP>
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get help now... what are you ranting about --- do you look at dates of stories?


if you have all your photos on flickr and not flikr, and have over 1,000, then they will be cut to 1000 if you don't pay - SO, but you can keep them on your own computer and share them -

Does flikr have a limit like flickr does? You can pay to have more service...
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get help now... what are you ranting about
For several of us, the pictures are not available, unless we register somewhere. I need a good reason to register somewhere. Another picture from 9/11 is not a good reason.

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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans View Post
For several of us, the pictures are not available, unless we register somewhere. I need a good reason to register somewhere. Another picture from 9/11 is not a good reason.

Hans
To be blunt the gist of the OP is that "New Photos" of 911 don't add much since they are similar to images already published. No missiles, no micro-nukes, no flashes from cutting charges. Just WTC1 burning with a big hole, the collapse, and dust cloud. I believe it is safe to assume that there are thousands more just like these.
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Both links terminate at 404 messages in New Jersey USA
I think you mean 403.
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I found what claims to be the new photos here
https://www.flickr.com/photos/190109...7718241415376/
04/30/21 16:00 EDT
There appears to be thirty-eight images
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
I found what claims to be the new photos here
https://www.flickr.com/photos/190109...7718241415376/
04/30/21 16:00 EDT
There appears to be thirty-eight images
Still requires sign-in, for me at least.

It's OK, I don't care.

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Both links terminate at 404 messages in new jersey USA
Edited by zooterkin:  <SNIP>
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the NWO is blocking you... ???

only those who have reality based research skills can find the photos, which leaves out the fantasy based researchers know as 9/11 truthers, who are really 9/11 lies and assorted BS woo spreaders


https://i.redd.it/24ytvi00ecv61.jpg

darn is this blocked too - https://nypost.com/2021/04/27/unseen...ign=SocialFlow
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
I found what claims to be the new photos here
https://www.flickr.com/photos/190109...7718241415376/
04/30/21 16:00 EDT
There appears to be thirty-eight images
Exact same URL that I posted in #12
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As confirmed by the OP, even if those pictures may have only been made public recently, they contain no new information. /thread

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My best explanation for the 403 is that the publication in NYT caused a "slashdot effectWP", triggering Yahoo's excessive bandwidth usage protections, and in order to view the images now you need a paid account.

It might fix itself over time as interest decays.
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It may simply be that they are no longer available?

His main page is viewable - that I can't yet link to, and has just a handful of photos?
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
Someone posted these to Reddit. A teenager was going through an album belonging to his great aunt.

The story and pictures are here:

https://nypost.com/2021/04/27/unseen...ign=SocialFlow

The Reddit Link is here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/interesting...discovered_in/

Nothing really new, but it has an interesting angle on the collapse of WTC1 that gives a great perspective of how far debris was ejected from the building and a huge chunk is visible falling near WTC7. I've always said there are more photos out there. Someday we will see them all. The story won't change.
But what if the World Trade Center never existed?

Checkmate, debunkers.
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