The Biden Presidency - Page 9

Delvo · 29th November 2020, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Paul2

Ouch.

Flat-out lies and mindless drivel are nothing to say "ouch" about.

Firestone · 29th November 2020, 01:58 PM

While playing with his dog, Biden slipped, and twisted his ankle.
He will be examined this afternoon by an orthopedist “out of an abundance of caution.”

(Source: Biden office, https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/statu...991975939?s=19 )

shemp · 29th November 2020, 02:01 PM

Weak ankles? Impeach him!

Firestone · 29th November 2020, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

Weak ankles? Impeach him!

Obviously!

That's certainly something that can't happen to Trump. No way he ever played with a dog.

shemp · 29th November 2020, 02:06 PM

Ha! Trump doesn't need ankles, he floats above the ground! Checkmate, Dimmocrats!

Delvo · 29th November 2020, 02:08 PM

Trump has stronger ankles from years of wearing high heels.

Aridas · 29th November 2020, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Firestone

While playing with his dog, Biden slipped, and twisted his ankle,
He will be examined this afternoon by an orthopedist “out of an abundance of caution.”

(Source: Biden office, https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/statu...991975939?s=19 )

Unfortunate. Also, for all you comparers to Trump, it's probably worth remembering Trump's "carefulness" when, say, walking down ramps.

Either way, may Biden recover very quickly.

Firestone · 29th November 2020, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Aridas

Unfortunate. Also, for all you comparers to Trump, it's probably worth remembering Trump's "carefulness" when, say, walking down ramps.

Either way, may Biden recover very quickly.

It will be interesting to compare how the US media cover this , compared to how they barely covered the Trump health issues (like his weird ramp walking you mentioned, or his still unexplained visit to Walter Reed Hospital last year).

Firestone · 29th November 2020, 02:43 PM

In other news, more Biden Admin names leaked.

Neera Tanden: director of the Office of Management and Budget
Cecilia Rouse (Princeton economist): chair of the Council of Economic Advisers
Wally Adeyemo (president of the Obama Foundation): Deputy Treasury Secretary

https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-t...am-11606684256

ETA: not leaked, but official, Biden Admin communication team:

Biden announces (all-female) communications team:

Kate Bedingfield: WH Comms Director
Jen Psaki: WH Press Secretary
Karine Jean Pierre: Deputy Press Secretary
Symone Sanders: VP Chief Spox

https://buildbackbetter.gov/press-re...cations-staff/

Darat · 29th November 2020, 04:11 PM

Will there be a mass public inauguration event? Wouldn't have thought Biden would want that.

wareyin · 29th November 2020, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Delvo

Flat-out lies and mindless drivel are nothing to say "ouch" about.

Another Trump lesson: t's not enough to simply yell from the back row how much better you could do the job when you're doing everything you can to make sure you don't get it, you also have to call everyone pointing out the errors in your claims dishonest. False news, lies, whatever, just make sure you never admit to, say, preaching to the forum that proud Democratic Socialist Sanders would have won over the Cubans in Florida? Or claiming that no moderate has won the Presidency?

Galaxie · 29th November 2020, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Firestone

While playing with his dog, Biden slipped, and twisted his ankle.
He will be examined this afternoon by an orthopedist “out of an abundance of caution.”

(Source: Biden office, https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/statu...991975939?s=19 )

Some mouth-breathers will say this is proof Biden is a weak old man, but my Mom broke her leg when a neighbor's dog ran into her and she was only in her 40's.

kookbreaker · 29th November 2020, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Galaxie

Some mouth-breathers will say this is proof Biden is a weak old man, but my Mom broke her leg when a neighbor's dog ran into her and she was only in her 40's.

I’d wager Biden could go down a ramp and back up it a dozen times while Trump was still trying to go down the first time.

ETA: even with a twisted ankle.

CapelDodger · 29th November 2020, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Besided, Trumpy will let nobody assume the mantle except himself or one of his kids.

Trump will so try to engineer one of his spawn into the succession, and he will so screw up. Great genes my arse : this is one short-lived dynasty.

Trebuchet · 29th November 2020, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Firestone

Obviously!

That's certainly something that can't happen to Trump. No way he ever played with a dog.

Bitches, on the other hand....

shemp · 29th November 2020, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Firestone

While playing with his dog, Biden slipped, and twisted his ankle.
He will be examined this afternoon by an orthopedist “out of an abundance of caution.”

(Source: Biden office, https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/statu...991975939?s=19 )

CNN is now reporting that he has hairline fractures:

Biden's doctor says he has hairline fractures in his foot after slipping while playing with his dog

Quote:

Washington, DC (CNN)President-elect Joe Biden has hairline fractures in his "mid-foot" and will "likely require a walking boot for several weeks," his doctor said in a statement Sunday, after Biden slipped while playing with his dog, Major, Saturday.

"Initial x-rays did not show any obvious fracture, but his clinical exam warranted more detailed imaging," Dr. Kevin O'Connor said Sunday. "Follow-up CT scan confirmed hairline (small) fractures of President-elect Biden's lateral and intermediate cuneiform bones, which are in the mid-foot. It is anticipated that he will likely require a walking boot for several weeks."

Earlier Sunday, Biden's office announced he was going to be examined by an orthopedist "out of an abundance of caution" after he twisted his ankle playing with the dog.

On Sunday evening, President Donald Trump tweeted, "Get well soon!"

If it's this rough with the dog, wait'll he gets the cat!

stanfr · 29th November 2020, 09:20 PM

And Biden's mishap has led to perhaps the strangest Trump tweet of all time:

"Get Well soon!"

Since clearly he does not have any good wishes for Biden, this is either sarcastic or perhaps at least in his mind he is already considering a run in 2024.
If that's the case, he probably thinks (wrongfully so, but everything Trump thinks is wrong) that he would be able to crush an 82 year old Biden. He would fear any younger opponent more so than Biden. With 4 years of Biden gaffes Trump could compile an even bigger collection of videos that supposedly show Biden's dementia.

The Great Zaganza · 29th November 2020, 10:49 PM

That kind of injury can take months to fully heal.

Firestone · 30th November 2020, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by Firestone

In other news, more Biden Admin names leaked.

Neera Tanden: director of the Office of Management and Budget

This nomination will be an interesting case, as far as Senate confirmation is concerned.
Neera Tanden is very active on Twitter, and there must be quite a few juicy tweets from her about right wing idiots. But she also sometimes engaged with left wing supporters, and not always in, let's say, too polite ways.

It will be "fun" having Republican senators vote against her because of bad tweets. Those same senators, who these last five years, never had the time to read Trump's tweets, and anyway, "tweets don't matter."

Not that the hypocrisy test has any value if there's a "R" after your name, mind you.

Dave Rogers · 30th November 2020, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by stanfr

And Biden's mishap has led to perhaps the strangest Trump tweet of all time:

"Get Well soon"

I understand Twitter has marked the content as disputed.

Dave

Captain_Swoop · 30th November 2020, 01:24 PM

Fox seem outraged that the ankle injury wasn’t disclosed till he went to the doctor on Sunday. "Why the lack of transparency?"

shemp · 30th November 2020, 01:31 PM

If his ankle was so weak as to be transparent I'm sure the injury would have been much worse.

SuburbanTurkey · 30th November 2020, 01:35 PM

Rahm Emmanuel likely getting a spot. Literally tried to cover up a police murder while mayor but I guess that's all water under the bridge now.

Progressives got hoodwinked by the "vote blue no matter who" line yet again. How long before we finally realize that the Democratic Party is not our ally?

shemp · 30th November 2020, 01:43 PM

They may not be your ally, but they are what stands between you and a theocracy. In the US, politics has always been about the lesser of two evils.

SuburbanTurkey · 30th November 2020, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

They may not be your ally, but they are what stands between you and a theocracy. In the US, politics has always been about the lesser of two evils.

Tactical voting goes both ways. An organized, progressive block of voters could force the Democrats to stop being this way through threats of withholding votes. This, combined with aggressive primarying of corporate democrats in safe blue states, likely needs to happen.

The progressives need to become more than a squeaky wheel. They need to become an unmanageable section of the party that threatens to undermine the entire project unless they are taken seriously. "Do you want the Republicans to win?" could apply as much to the Democratic Party operatives as it does to the voters if a sufficiently large segment of progressive voters were willing to play hardball.

There are many issues where the current lesser of two evils is simply not adequate. Not hiring someone who used power to cover up an inconvenient police murder is not an unrealistic litmus test. If the corporate Dems don't understand why this is a problem, they have to go.

Donal · 30th November 2020, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

They may not be your ally, but they are what stands between you and a theocracy. In the US, politics has always been about the lesser of two evils.

Between the likes of Emmanuel and Tanden, that gap between the evils seems to be constantly shrinking.

Paul2 · 30th November 2020, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Tactical voting goes both ways. An organized, progressive block of voters could force the Democrats to stop being this way through threats of withholding votes. This, combined with aggressive primarying of corporate democrats in safe blue states, likely needs to happen.

The progressives need to become more than a squeaky wheel. They need to become an unmanageable section of the party that threatens to undermine the entire project unless they are taken seriously. "Do you want the Republicans to win?" could apply as much to the Democratic Party operatives as it does to the voters if a sufficiently large segment of progressive voters were willing to play hardball.

There are many issues where the current lesser of two evils is simply not adequate. Not hiring someone who used power to cover up an inconvenient police murder is not an unrealistic litmus test. If the corporate Dems don't understand why this is a problem, they have to go.

Keeping the center in sight as a tactic to prevent Republicans from winning is not the equivalent tactic as progressives holding the party hostage to their demands.

SuburbanTurkey · 30th November 2020, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Paul2

Keeping the center in sight as a tactic to prevent Republicans from winning is not the equivalent tactic as progressives holding the party hostage to their demands.

I don't think these arguments by centrists are made in good faith. They don't do this to prevent Republicans from winning, they do it because they are ideologically opposed to progressive policies and don't want them enacted.

Many progressive policies that are explicitly opposed by the centrists of the party are overwhelmingly popular. It's making them less electable to oppose these policies, but they do it anyway because that's what their ideology demands.

It's time to wrest power away from the gerontocracy of corporate Democrats.

Aridas · 30th November 2020, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Rahm Emmanuel likely getting a spot. Literally tried to cover up a police murder while mayor but I guess that's all water under the bridge now.

Progressives got hoodwinked by the "vote blue no matter who" line yet again. How long before we finally realize that the Democratic Party is not our ally?

Originally Posted by shemp

They may not be your ally, but they are what stands between you and a theocracy. In the US, politics has always been about the lesser of two evils.

Indeed, much as it's not just theocracy that should be concerned about. Personally, I'm not likely to regret my vote for Biden or the Democrats in general, given that he and they are very much the lesser of two evils. That doesn't mean that I was either hoodwinked or trust(ed) them blindly. Biden, after all, was probably my least favorite one of the major candidates for the Democratic nomination, in and of himself, for reasons like expecting things like this to happen. Even so, Biden's not even taken over yet, so it's a still a bit premature to hammer his Administration for the problems that they haven't caused yet, even if it's not too soon to be paying attention to what areas will likely be more problematic.

Paul2 · 30th November 2020, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

I don't think these arguments by centrists are made in good faith. They don't do this to prevent Republicans from winning, they do it because they are ideologically opposed to progressive policies and don't want them enacted.

Many progressive policies that are explicitly opposed by the centrists of the party are overwhelmingly popular. It's making them less electable to oppose these policies, but they do it anyway because that's what their ideology demands.

It's time to wrest power away from the gerontocracy of corporate Democrats.

shemp’s comment, which is where this started, works with liberalism, not centrism, as a tactic to prevent a right wing theocracy.

If you want to assign a motivation other than good faith liberalism, there’s nothing wrong with that, but I’m not qualified to engage that topic, I merely want to comment on the tactic of keeping the right and theocracy in check.

SuburbanTurkey · 30th November 2020, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Aridas

Indeed, much as it's not just theocracy that should be concerned about. Personally, I'm not likely to regret my vote for Biden or the Democrats in general, given that he and they are very much the lesser of two evils. That doesn't mean that I was either hoodwinked or trust(ed) them blindly. Biden, after all, was probably my least favorite one of the major candidates for the Democratic nomination, in and of himself, for reasons like expecting things like this to happen. Even so, Biden's not even taken over yet, so it's a still a bit premature to hammer his Administration for the problems that they haven't caused yet, even if it's not too soon to be paying attention to what areas will likely be more problematic.

Selecting his administrative staff is substantial action. We don't have to pretend to be ignorant about what selecting these ghouls to staff his administration means is coming down the pike. These are the people who will be wielding real power and impacting policy, it matters a lot who they are, what they've done, and what their ideological principals are regarding governance.

I'm not suggesting that supporting Biden in the past election was wrong. Getting Trump out remains a worthy motivation. The point is now is not the time to let our foot off the gas. Positive change means holding our own accountable and loudly resisting the corporate democrats who want to run things their own way without complaint.

Venom · 30th November 2020, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Rahm Emmanuel likely getting a spot. Literally tried to cover up a police murder while mayor but I guess that's all water under the bridge now.

Progressives got hoodwinked by the "vote blue no matter who" line yet again. How long before we finally realize that the Democratic Party is not our ally?

I guarantee the majority of progressives had no illusions about a Biden administration, but we were ready to get rid of Trump no matter what.

SuburbanTurkey · 30th November 2020, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Venom

I guarantee the majority of progressives had no illusions about a Biden administration, but we were ready to get rid of Trump no matter what.

I think there was plenty of chatter that progressives would have some influence, though admittedly a minor role, in the coming Biden administration. Announcements of placements within the Biden administration show that progressives are not only getting nothing, but that deeply reprehensible people will be allowed to wield power.

dudalb · 30th November 2020, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

That kind of injury can take months to fully heal.

Having mobility problems did not hurt FDR that much...

wareyin · 30th November 2020, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

I think there was plenty of chatter that progressives would have some influence, though admittedly a minor role, in the coming Biden administration. Announcements of placements within the Biden administration show that progressives are not only getting nothing, but that deeply reprehensible people will be allowed to wield power.

Not for nothing, but progressives have gotten far more than nothing. Instead it sounds as though the very vocal minority within the Democratic Party thinks they should have gotten everything rather than far more than they would have gotten had the Dems caved and run Sanders and been beaten again.

Captain_Swoop · 30th November 2020, 04:02 PM

The loony minority in any party always thinks they should be calling all the shots.
Look what happened to UK Labour when some of them did get some influence.

dirtywick · 30th November 2020, 04:06 PM

Trump's biggest problem, despite what he may think, is that he couldn't make deals with opponents, and he had the full, unwavering support of his party. progressives are going to have to make concessions to get what they want

acbytesla · 30th November 2020, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

The loony minority in any party always thinks they should be calling all the shots.
Look what happened to UK Labour when some of them did get some influence.

I don't know about that. Trump and his supporters are loons. They took power and did some very looney things.

SezMe · 30th November 2020, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

It's time to wrest power away from the gerontocracy of corporate Democrats.

What offices have you run for? What position do you hold in the Democratic Party? What lobbying efforts have you organized and pursued? How many times have you visited you political representatives offices to present petitions with thousands upon thousands of signatures?

Donal · 1st December 2020, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by SezMe

What offices have you run for? What position do you hold in the Democratic Party? What lobbying efforts have you organized and pursued? How many times have you visited you political representatives offices to present petitions with thousands upon thousands of signatures?

This has indeed been a big problem for progressives (or any group left of center in this country) for a long time. they didn't do the leg work. They showed up every 4 years and expected massive change. there are notable exceptions, but left-wing movements in the US tend to be more sizzle than steak.

However, that has changed. Progressives are making actual gains. Not just with candidates but with policy as well. Progressive ballot initiatives are winning in states like South Dakota, Missouri, and Florida. Progressive candidates like Katie Porter and Steve Levin flipping districts that had been red for decades. And instead of seeing a new energized voting bloc to engage, the establishment Dems attack them harder than they have ever attacked conservatives.

You have Democrats like Manchin, Donnely, Bredesen, and McCaskill openly attacking them in interviews. You have Democratic leadership changing the rules and consolidating power at the top. You have Congressional Democrats attacking Ilhan Omar for referencing a rap lyric to call out a lobbyist while not saying a goddamned thing about republicans practically quoting from the Protocols of Zion to scare their base. You have constant finger-wagging and lecturing from a bunch of professional second-place finishers who are still treating this like it's still the 80s.

So, yes, progressives were not great about organizing and engaging in the system. But now that they are, they are getting shut out by the people that are supposed to be on their team.

29th November 2020, 01:58 PM	#322
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,997	While playing with his dog, Biden slipped, and twisted his ankle. He will be examined this afternoon by an orthopedist “out of an abundance of caution.” (Source: Biden office, https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/statu...991975939?s=19 )
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29th November 2020, 02:01 PM	#323
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: People's Democratic Republic of Planet X Posts: 40,329	Weak ankles? Impeach him!
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29th November 2020, 02:03 PM	#324
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,997	Originally Posted by shemp Weak ankles? Impeach him! Obviously! That's certainly something that can't happen to Trump. No way he ever played with a dog.
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29th November 2020, 02:06 PM	#325
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: People's Democratic Republic of Planet X Posts: 40,329	Ha! Trump doesn't need ankles, he floats above the ground! Checkmate, Dimmocrats!
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29th November 2020, 02:13 PM	#327
Aridas Crazy Little Green Dragon Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 7,469	Originally Posted by Firestone While playing with his dog, Biden slipped, and twisted his ankle, He will be examined this afternoon by an orthopedist “out of an abundance of caution.” (Source: Biden office, https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/statu...991975939?s=19 ) Unfortunate. Also, for all you comparers to Trump, it's probably worth remembering Trump's "carefulness" when, say, walking down ramps. Either way, may Biden recover very quickly.
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29th November 2020, 01:45 PM	#321
Delvo Дэлво Δελϝο דֶלְבֹֿ देल्वो Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Tonawanda, NY Posts: 9,305	Originally Posted by Paul2 Ouch. Flat-out lies and mindless drivel are nothing to say "ouch" about.

29th November 2020, 02:08 PM	#326
Delvo Дэлво Δελϝο דֶלְבֹֿ देल्वो Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Tonawanda, NY Posts: 9,305	Trump has stronger ankles from years of wearing high heels.

29th November 2020, 02:19 PM	#328
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,997	Originally Posted by Aridas Unfortunate. Also, for all you comparers to Trump, it's probably worth remembering Trump's "carefulness" when, say, walking down ramps. Either way, may Biden recover very quickly. It will be interesting to compare how the US media cover this , compared to how they barely covered the Trump health issues (like his weird ramp walking you mentioned, or his still unexplained visit to Walter Reed Hospital last year).
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29th November 2020, 02:43 PM	#329
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,997	In other news, more Biden Admin names leaked. Neera Tanden: director of the Office of Management and Budget Cecilia Rouse (Princeton economist): chair of the Council of Economic Advisers Wally Adeyemo (president of the Obama Foundation): Deputy Treasury Secretary https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-t...am-11606684256 ETA: not leaked, but official, Biden Admin communication team: Biden announces (all-female) communications team: Kate Bedingfield: WH Comms Director Jen Psaki: WH Press Secretary Karine Jean Pierre: Deputy Press Secretary Symone Sanders: VP Chief Spox https://buildbackbetter.gov/press-re...cations-staff/
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29th November 2020, 04:11 PM	#330
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 97,129	Will there be a mass public inauguration event? Wouldn't have thought Biden would want that.
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29th November 2020, 05:01 PM	#331
wareyin Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 8,363	Originally Posted by Delvo Flat-out lies and mindless drivel are nothing to say "ouch" about. Another Trump lesson: t's not enough to simply yell from the back row how much better you could do the job when you're doing everything you can to make sure you don't get it, you also have to call everyone pointing out the errors in your claims dishonest. False news, lies, whatever, just make sure you never admit to, say, preaching to the forum that proud Democratic Socialist Sanders would have won over the Cubans in Florida? Or claiming that no moderate has won the Presidency?

29th November 2020, 05:59 PM	#332
Galaxie Muse Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 763	Originally Posted by Firestone While playing with his dog, Biden slipped, and twisted his ankle. He will be examined this afternoon by an orthopedist “out of an abundance of caution.” (Source: Biden office, https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/statu...991975939?s=19 ) Some mouth-breathers will say this is proof Biden is a weak old man, but my Mom broke her leg when a neighbor's dog ran into her and she was only in her 40's.

29th November 2020, 06:13 PM	#333
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,178	Originally Posted by Galaxie Some mouth-breathers will say this is proof Biden is a weak old man, but my Mom broke her leg when a neighbor's dog ran into her and she was only in her 40's. I’d wager Biden could go down a ramp and back up it a dozen times while Trump was still trying to go down the first time. ETA: even with a twisted ankle.
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29th November 2020, 06:24 PM	#334
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 25,057	Originally Posted by dudalb Besided, Trumpy will let nobody assume the mantle except himself or one of his kids. Trump will so try to engineer one of his spawn into the succession, and he will so screw up. Great genes my arse : this is one short-lived dynasty.
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29th November 2020, 06:42 PM	#335
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,066	Originally Posted by Firestone Obviously! That's certainly something that can't happen to Trump. No way he ever played with a dog. Bitches, on the other hand....
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29th November 2020, 06:47 PM	#336
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: People's Democratic Republic of Planet X Posts: 40,329	Originally Posted by Firestone While playing with his dog, Biden slipped, and twisted his ankle. He will be examined this afternoon by an orthopedist “out of an abundance of caution.” (Source: Biden office, https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/statu...991975939?s=19 ) CNN is now reporting that he has hairline fractures: Biden's doctor says he has hairline fractures in his foot after slipping while playing with his dog Quote: Washington, DC (CNN)President-elect Joe Biden has hairline fractures in his "mid-foot" and will "likely require a walking boot for several weeks," his doctor said in a statement Sunday, after Biden slipped while playing with his dog, Major, Saturday. "Initial x-rays did not show any obvious fracture, but his clinical exam warranted more detailed imaging," Dr. Kevin O'Connor said Sunday. "Follow-up CT scan confirmed hairline (small) fractures of President-elect Biden's lateral and intermediate cuneiform bones, which are in the mid-foot. It is anticipated that he will likely require a walking boot for several weeks." Earlier Sunday, Biden's office announced he was going to be examined by an orthopedist "out of an abundance of caution" after he twisted his ankle playing with the dog. On Sunday evening, President Donald Trump tweeted, "Get well soon!" If it's this rough with the dog, wait'll he gets the cat!
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29th November 2020, 09:20 PM	#337
stanfr Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,781	And Biden's mishap has led to perhaps the strangest Trump tweet of all time: "Get Well soon!" Since clearly he does not have any good wishes for Biden, this is either sarcastic or perhaps at least in his mind he is already considering a run in 2024. If that's the case, he probably thinks (wrongfully so, but everything Trump thinks is wrong) that he would be able to crush an 82 year old Biden. He would fear any younger opponent more so than Biden. With 4 years of Biden gaffes Trump could compile an even bigger collection of videos that supposedly show Biden's dementia.
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29th November 2020, 10:49 PM	#338
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,687	That kind of injury can take months to fully heal.
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30th November 2020, 12:12 AM	#339
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,997	Originally Posted by Firestone In other news, more Biden Admin names leaked. Neera Tanden: director of the Office of Management and Budget This nomination will be an interesting case, as far as Senate confirmation is concerned. Neera Tanden is very active on Twitter, and there must be quite a few juicy tweets from her about right wing idiots. But she also sometimes engaged with left wing supporters, and not always in, let's say, too polite ways. It will be "fun" having Republican senators vote against her because of bad tweets. Those same senators, who these last five years, never had the time to read Trump's tweets, and anyway, "tweets don't matter." Not that the hypocrisy test has any value if there's a "R" after your name, mind you.
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30th November 2020, 01:53 AM	#340
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 32,368	Originally Posted by stanfr And Biden's mishap has led to perhaps the strangest Trump tweet of all time: "Get Well soon" I understand Twitter has marked the content as disputed. Dave
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30th November 2020, 01:24 PM	#341
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,968	Fox seem outraged that the ankle injury wasn’t disclosed till he went to the doctor on Sunday. "Why the lack of transparency?"

30th November 2020, 01:31 PM	#342
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: People's Democratic Republic of Planet X Posts: 40,329	If his ankle was so weak as to be transparent I'm sure the injury would have been much worse.
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30th November 2020, 01:35 PM	#343
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 8,015	Rahm Emmanuel likely getting a spot. Literally tried to cover up a police murder while mayor but I guess that's all water under the bridge now. Progressives got hoodwinked by the "vote blue no matter who" line yet again. How long before we finally realize that the Democratic Party is not our ally?
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30th November 2020, 01:43 PM	#344
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: People's Democratic Republic of Planet X Posts: 40,329	They may not be your ally, but they are what stands between you and a theocracy. In the US, politics has always been about the lesser of two evils.
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30th November 2020, 01:50 PM	#345
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 8,015	Originally Posted by shemp They may not be your ally, but they are what stands between you and a theocracy. In the US, politics has always been about the lesser of two evils. Tactical voting goes both ways. An organized, progressive block of voters could force the Democrats to stop being this way through threats of withholding votes. This, combined with aggressive primarying of corporate democrats in safe blue states, likely needs to happen. The progressives need to become more than a squeaky wheel. They need to become an unmanageable section of the party that threatens to undermine the entire project unless they are taken seriously. "Do you want the Republicans to win?" could apply as much to the Democratic Party operatives as it does to the voters if a sufficiently large segment of progressive voters were willing to play hardball. There are many issues where the current lesser of two evils is simply not adequate. Not hiring someone who used power to cover up an inconvenient police murder is not an unrealistic litmus test. If the corporate Dems don't understand why this is a problem, they have to go.
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30th November 2020, 02:07 PM	#346
Donal Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,333	Originally Posted by shemp They may not be your ally, but they are what stands between you and a theocracy. In the US, politics has always been about the lesser of two evils. Between the likes of Emmanuel and Tanden, that gap between the evils seems to be constantly shrinking.
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30th November 2020, 02:19 PM	#347
Paul2 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,594	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey Tactical voting goes both ways. An organized, progressive block of voters could force the Democrats to stop being this way through threats of withholding votes. This, combined with aggressive primarying of corporate democrats in safe blue states, likely needs to happen. The progressives need to become more than a squeaky wheel. They need to become an unmanageable section of the party that threatens to undermine the entire project unless they are taken seriously. "Do you want the Republicans to win?" could apply as much to the Democratic Party operatives as it does to the voters if a sufficiently large segment of progressive voters were willing to play hardball. There are many issues where the current lesser of two evils is simply not adequate. Not hiring someone who used power to cover up an inconvenient police murder is not an unrealistic litmus test. If the corporate Dems don't understand why this is a problem, they have to go. Keeping the center in sight as a tactic to prevent Republicans from winning is not the equivalent tactic as progressives holding the party hostage to their demands.
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30th November 2020, 02:25 PM	#348
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 8,015	Originally Posted by Paul2 Keeping the center in sight as a tactic to prevent Republicans from winning is not the equivalent tactic as progressives holding the party hostage to their demands. I don't think these arguments by centrists are made in good faith. They don't do this to prevent Republicans from winning, they do it because they are ideologically opposed to progressive policies and don't want them enacted. Many progressive policies that are explicitly opposed by the centrists of the party are overwhelmingly popular. It's making them less electable to oppose these policies, but they do it anyway because that's what their ideology demands. It's time to wrest power away from the gerontocracy of corporate Democrats.
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30th November 2020, 02:31 PM	#349
Aridas Crazy Little Green Dragon Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 7,469	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey Rahm Emmanuel likely getting a spot. Literally tried to cover up a police murder while mayor but I guess that's all water under the bridge now. Progressives got hoodwinked by the "vote blue no matter who" line yet again. How long before we finally realize that the Democratic Party is not our ally? Originally Posted by shemp They may not be your ally, but they are what stands between you and a theocracy. In the US, politics has always been about the lesser of two evils. Indeed, much as it's not just theocracy that should be concerned about. Personally, I'm not likely to regret my vote for Biden or the Democrats in general, given that he and they are very much the lesser of two evils. That doesn't mean that I was either hoodwinked or trust(ed) them blindly. Biden, after all, was probably my least favorite one of the major candidates for the Democratic nomination, in and of himself, for reasons like expecting things like this to happen. Even so, Biden's not even taken over yet, so it's a still a bit premature to hammer his Administration for the problems that they haven't caused yet, even if it's not too soon to be paying attention to what areas will likely be more problematic.
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30th November 2020, 02:40 PM	#350
Paul2 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,594	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey I don't think these arguments by centrists are made in good faith. They don't do this to prevent Republicans from winning, they do it because they are ideologically opposed to progressive policies and don't want them enacted. Many progressive policies that are explicitly opposed by the centrists of the party are overwhelmingly popular. It's making them less electable to oppose these policies, but they do it anyway because that's what their ideology demands. It's time to wrest power away from the gerontocracy of corporate Democrats. shemp’s comment, which is where this started, works with liberalism, not centrism, as a tactic to prevent a right wing theocracy. If you want to assign a motivation other than good faith liberalism, there’s nothing wrong with that, but I’m not qualified to engage that topic, I merely want to comment on the tactic of keeping the right and theocracy in check.
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30th November 2020, 02:42 PM	#351
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 8,015	Originally Posted by Aridas Indeed, much as it's not just theocracy that should be concerned about. Personally, I'm not likely to regret my vote for Biden or the Democrats in general, given that he and they are very much the lesser of two evils. That doesn't mean that I was either hoodwinked or trust(ed) them blindly. Biden, after all, was probably my least favorite one of the major candidates for the Democratic nomination, in and of himself, for reasons like expecting things like this to happen. Even so, Biden's not even taken over yet, so it's a still a bit premature to hammer his Administration for the problems that they haven't caused yet, even if it's not too soon to be paying attention to what areas will likely be more problematic. Selecting his administrative staff is substantial action. We don't have to pretend to be ignorant about what selecting these ghouls to staff his administration means is coming down the pike. These are the people who will be wielding real power and impacting policy, it matters a lot who they are, what they've done, and what their ideological principals are regarding governance. I'm not suggesting that supporting Biden in the past election was wrong. Getting Trump out remains a worthy motivation. The point is now is not the time to let our foot off the gas. Positive change means holding our own accountable and loudly resisting the corporate democrats who want to run things their own way without complaint.
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30th November 2020, 02:58 PM	#352
Venom Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 4,901	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey Rahm Emmanuel likely getting a spot. Literally tried to cover up a police murder while mayor but I guess that's all water under the bridge now. Progressives got hoodwinked by the "vote blue no matter who" line yet again. How long before we finally realize that the Democratic Party is not our ally? I guarantee the majority of progressives had no illusions about a Biden administration, but we were ready to get rid of Trump no matter what.

30th November 2020, 03:01 PM	#353
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 8,015	Originally Posted by Venom I guarantee the majority of progressives had no illusions about a Biden administration, but we were ready to get rid of Trump no matter what. I think there was plenty of chatter that progressives would have some influence, though admittedly a minor role, in the coming Biden administration. Announcements of placements within the Biden administration show that progressives are not only getting nothing, but that deeply reprehensible people will be allowed to wield power.
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30th November 2020, 03:18 PM	#354
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,334	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza That kind of injury can take months to fully heal. Having mobility problems did not hurt FDR that much...
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30th November 2020, 03:50 PM	#355
wareyin Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 8,363	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey I think there was plenty of chatter that progressives would have some influence, though admittedly a minor role, in the coming Biden administration. Announcements of placements within the Biden administration show that progressives are not only getting nothing, but that deeply reprehensible people will be allowed to wield power. Not for nothing, but progressives have gotten far more than nothing. Instead it sounds as though the very vocal minority within the Democratic Party thinks they should have gotten everything rather than far more than they would have gotten had the Dems caved and run Sanders and been beaten again.